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    A very good coach that my daughter had in the past told his players that "players win games and coaches lose them". Our family was impressed and have a great deal of respect for him. This story http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2...-in-8-innings/ shows a coach with quite the opposite view. I was shocked by the way the coach threw some of his players under the bus. These are teenage girls, not multi-million dollar athletes. Calling them out in public shows a lack of respect for his players and, IMHO, a lack of class. I used to respect this coach and his program, as they have been THE team in our area for many years. My view has changed significantly after reading this.

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    Don't think his comments are bad. Was your dd one that messed up ? Sometime we

    need to be a little thicker skinned. Our school has played against him and I would say one of the best High School coaches in Ohio.
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    Are you referring to his remarks about the outfield? No names were specifically called out by the actual coach. I don't see anything bad about the comments either. It was the journalist who put perspective on his remarks by mentioning a play by a specific player. It is doubtful when he was interviewed the coach knew that part would be written in the article. Apparently it was a significant turning point in the game. The writer does mention it was a nice catch though.
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    You gotta tell it like it is... If your outfield didn't play well, and everybody knows it, just admit it. No one particular player was criticized unjustly.

    I'm all for positive reinforcement, but also, if players know that the coach will say they played badly when they did, in fact, play badly, then that could entice them to focus better.
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    I agree didnt seem too harsh, too much of this stuff going around these days that you cant say anything to anyone anymore without someones feelings getting hurt. Its part of it and I agree with Louuuuu if everyone knows it was bad then no reason to console anyone.
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    Here's how I see it. Coach Fenik wants to find others to blame besides himself. The truth of the matter is he has had these kids every school day since late February, and it is HIS job to make them better. He obviously did not work enough on outfield play and stress his philosophy enough on his players. Out of the five runs scored against his team, four were earned. All of the runs coach Fenik's team scored were unearned.

    ?Our outfielders have got to start making some plays,? Fenik said. ?The outfield killed us. And until we start making some plays out there and people take a little initiative to start working to get better ? I mean, we?re coming out of the outfield and not even hitting our cuts. It?s too bad.?

    It sounds like this is not a one game situation. It sounds like he has not been happy with his outfield play the entire season. Who's fault is it? Who's coaching these kids? Who's putting these kids in the lineup? I wasn't there but it sounds like the LF made a great catch down the line and noticed that the runner was scrambling to get back to first base so the LF tried to double up the runner. Somehow the runner was able to get back to first base, tag up, and advance. That tells me that first base was possibly not being backed-up properly by the RF. Who's job is it to teach and stress the importance of backing up bases??? Well, it's the coaches job and if it was backed up properly chances are the runner does not advance. Coach Fenik states that he wants his outfielders to make plays yet when a young lady tries to make a play she, including the rest of the outfield gets ripped in the press. It appears all he is doing is deflecting blame away from him....not a trait one wants to see in a coach. I'm sure coach Fenik is a very good coach and I bet he will eventually regret what he said to the reporter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenski View Post
    Here's how I see it. Coach Fenik wants to find others to blame besides himself. The truth of the matter is he has had these kids every school day since late February, and it is HIS job to make them better. He obviously did not work enough on outfield play and stress his philosophy enough on his players. Out of the five runs scored against his team, four were earned. All of the runs coach Fenik's team scored were unearned.

    ?Our outfielders have got to start making some plays,? Fenik said. ?The outfield killed us. And until we start making some plays out there and people take a little initiative to start working to get better ? I mean, we?re coming out of the outfield and not even hitting our cuts. It?s too bad.?

    It sounds like this is not a one game situation. It sounds like he has not been happy with his outfield play the entire season. Who's fault is it? Who's coaching these kids? Who's putting these kids in the lineup? I wasn't there but it sounds like the LF made a great catch down the line and noticed that the runner was scrambling to get back to first base so the LF tried to double up the runner. Somehow the runner was able to get back to first base, tag up, and advance. That tells me that first base was possibly not being backed-up properly by the RF. Who's job is it to teach and stress the importance of backing up bases??? Well, it's the coaches job and if it was backed up properly chances are the runner does not advance. Coach Fenik states that he wants his outfielders to make plays yet when a young lady tries to make a play she, including the rest of the outfield gets ripped in the press. It appears all he is doing is deflecting blame away from him....not a trait one wants to see in a coach. I'm sure coach Fenik is a very good coach and I bet he will eventually regret what he said to the reporter.

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    Good points Lenski, I guess my statement was more of a generallity and not specific to this interview. I agree but you know as well as I, sometimes you dont have the right people to put in spots to play and you have to put the lesser of evils in some spots. He does sound like its been an all year battle, maybe the girls dont take the game as serious as they should and he seen this as a last ditch effort because nothing else has worked. Girls get motivated in different ways. Maybe he will regret it maybe it will work, would be interesting to know later. JMHO!!!
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    Lenski, I also didn't consider that it could be a season-long problem.

    Unless we've been around the team for a period of time, we could interpret that small newspaper story in a number of ways...

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    If you have a problem with anyone, it should be the person who wrote the story. He made it a point to mention the young ladies names after bad plays or a base running mistake. I really don't need to know who made the base running error. If the reporter feels he needs to mention that play, just use the team name and mention a base running error. The coach really didn't seem to want to give the other team credit for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fanandfun View Post
    It is very apparent that the journalist put the perspective on his remarks by mentioning a player by name....in my opinion, that is why you save certain remarks for the locker room, not the press.
    Perhaps. Even still, I don't see it as the end of the world. I remember my first year of varsity when I was a sophomore I gave up 3 home runs in a game against Licking Valley (my dreaded hanging curveball - as the article said "Vince Souslin added insult to injury by hammering a seventh inning pitch over the trees past right field at Panther Park"). The article the next day was not very flattering of my performance but I had to own it because I was the pitcher! All that did was motivate me to get better so I could look forward to some good press later on. I still have the article from that game - I think it's pretty funny now.

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