10U Coaches Poll Week #5 (5-27-19) Get Your Votes In!!!

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I’m just not following some of the lines of thinking on this topic but it really doesn’t matter. Would love to discuss this issue more but don’t think it belongs in the Poll chat. I’m sure it’s been talked about repeatedly in this forum since it’s existence. This issue is probably just as old as the sport itself.
My point is.. build up your organization, make more elite players want to come play for you. Not cheat players out of playing time, kids who came to try outs and made the team, parents who have paid there fees. Just to have them lose playing time because your playing in more elite tournaments. Win ball games with your TRUE team and I promise you it will be noticed and that will make other girls want to come play with your organization. But once again, there 0 ruling on it, and it’s never going to stop.
 

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My point is.. build up your organization, make more elite players want to come play for you. Not cheat players out of playing time, kids who came to try outs and made the team, parents who have paid there fees. Just to have them lose playing time because your playing in more elite tournaments. Win ball games with your TRUE team and I promise you it will be noticed and that will make other girls want to come play with your organization. But once again, there 0 ruling on it, and it’s never going to stop.

So in this circumstance why is getting a better player to come in not building up your organization? Isn’t that why teams have tryouts? Why is it considered “unfair” to bring in a kid that wants to be there and play on a better team and play better competition than their current situation? Why is adding a kid to your roster make it not a true team? Is the fact the team is playing well and attracts better players not a testament to “getting noticed”? I get what some people are saying here but I’m just not following some of the points people are trying to make here in justifying their comments above. Plus there is a general lack of knowledge about what may transpire behind the scenes with subs and fill ins for particular teams. Just seems like some people want to point fingers when things don’t go their way.

As a personal example...
The team I coach is playing this weekend. I got a call this morning from one of my parents telling me that quite possibly the best team in the tournament picked up the star 14u pitcher in their organization (that is still 12) that throws 58 from 43’ to come pitch in the 12u division (of course from 40’). Do you think I said “that’s unfair!” or “They’re not a true team” or do you think I would run to the tournament director or social media to cry foul? For what reason? Or do you think I would tell my players “it’s alright, the other team cheated by getting a better player so they really didn’t beat you”?

No, my response was “oh well...so what”. It doesn’t matter cause I can’t control what the other team does and ultimately it doesn’t matter. It only matters how my team approaches their job and what they do in their performance. Focus on your own house and what you need to do. Just my $0.02, some may like a different approach. I just don’t think you’re doing the kids any justice by being concerned about the other team’s roster or “subs”.
 

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So in this circumstance why is getting a better player to come in not building up your organization? Isn’t that why teams have tryouts? Why is it considered “unfair” to bring in a kid that wants to be there and play on a better team and play better competition than their current situation? Why is adding a kid to your roster make it not a true team? Is the fact the team is playing well and attracts better players not a testament to “getting noticed”? I get what some people are saying here but I’m just not following some of the points people are trying to make here in justifying their comments above. Plus there is a general lack of knowledge about what may transpire behind the scenes with subs and fill ins for particular teams. Just seems like some people want to point fingers when things don’t go their way.

As a personal example...
The team I coach is playing this weekend. I got a call this morning from one of my parents telling me that quite possibly the best team in the tournament picked up the star 14u pitcher in their organization (that is still 12) that throws 58 from 43’ to come pitch in the 12u division (of course from 40’). Do you think I said “that’s unfair!” or “They’re not a true team” or do you think I would run to the tournament director or social media to cry foul? For what reason? Or do you think I would tell my players “it’s alright, the other team cheated by getting a better player so they really didn’t beat you”?

No, my response was “oh well...so what”. It doesn’t matter cause I can’t control what the other team does and ultimately it doesn’t matter. It only matters how my team approaches their job and what they do in their performance. Focus on your own house and what you need to do. Just my $0.02, some may like a different approach. I just don’t think you’re doing the kids any justice by being concerned about the other team’s roster or “subs”.
Becuase bringing in other girls to replace your current starting pitching basically sends a bad message. For an example, you have sally try out and make the team. Play 2-3 tournaments having her pitching, and then all of sudden u play in a lot bigger tournament and u basically tell sally she isn’t as good as Jenifer, {the girl subbing} to me, that sends a horrible message. That’s not how you want your organization ran, because I guarantee there is a lot parents that wouldn’t want there child playing on a team that they paid to play on and then all of sudden there child is on the bench or sharing time with a SUB. That’s not a good look. But, I’m done talking about it. The issue will always be relevant, so it don’t matter really. But as a spectator, I wouldn’t give any team credit that brought in an ACE player and beat a better team with them having there full roster there.
 

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It’s your opinion and we’re all entitled to our own. Again, missing some logic in the argument and the bottom line of... it doesn’t matter who the opposing team has. The fact my example and other questions I posted where completely skipped over in the response tells me exactly what I thought this whole issue was really about. Again... good luck to everyone, stay safe, play hard.
 

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It’s your opinion and we’re all entitled to our own. Again, missing some logic in the argument and the bottom line of... it doesn’t matter who the opposing team has. The fact my example and other questions I posted where completely skipped over in the response tells me exactly what I thought this whole issue was really about. Again... good luck to everyone, stay safe, play hard.
To me it just shows that you can’t beat better teams with your current roster that you have now, so you bring in a “better player” to do it. And trust me there is a lot of teams out there that do it, not just one team. But we are just beating a dead horse here, it’s not gonna stop.
 

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To me it just shows that you can’t beat better teams with your current roster that you have now, so you bring in a “better player” to do it. And trust me there is a lot of teams out there that do it, not just one team. But we are just beating a dead horse here, it’s not gonna stop.

Again, it’s an opinion. To each their own. Wanted to discuss it from both points of view, which didn’t happen. Good luck to everyone in all that they do!
 

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It’s your opinion and we’re all entitled to our own. Again, missing some logic in the argument and the bottom line of... it doesn’t matter who the opposing team has. The fact my example and other questions I posted where completely skipped over in the response tells me exactly what I thought this whole issue was really about. Again... good luck to everyone, stay safe, play hard.

You seem to feel some type of way about this subject. You wouldn't have happened to have employed an out of state ace would you?
 

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Again, it’s an opinion. To each their own. Wanted to discuss it from both points of view, which didn’t happen. Good luck to everyone in all that they do!
There really isn’t another view. You picked a team last fall, thats who you should play with if you have a full roster, not bring in a sub to play in a bigger ti
You seem to feel some type of way about this subject. You wouldn't have happened to have employed an out of state ace would you?
LOL, from what I’ve seen this team most definitely has one that’s not on there current roster.. but hey, it’s there way of building up there organization ‍♂️ Let them be I guess.
 

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I’ve tried to leave names of teams and organizations out of this conversation but the people reading or following these posts know who we’re talking about. And to answer your question NO, the player referenced in the original post lives in the state the team she played for is from. So no, it wasn’t an out of state ringer as it’s being described. It was a girl that has played 5 tournaments with the team she played for this past weekend through fall and winter. There is a ton of other information about the situation that I tried to elude to in my questions and comments that the majority of people just blew right by just to cry “unfair” because it doesn’t fit their narrative (sound familiar). It seems it doesn’t matter what information would ultimately be provided, people have already made up their minds or opinions on the issue even though it’s off limited information. Pretty typical really is what’s sad. I didn’t comment on these posts to start an argument or bad mouth anyone but I couldn’t sit by and listen to people say negative things about people I know when they are uninformed and obviously have a biased point of view.
 

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Then you hear the team parents yelling out on the field...... nice pitch uhhh sport, good spot uhhh chief, way to go girlie, cuz they don’t know what the new girls name is this weekend
 

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Look, I say let them do whatever they want, obviously trophy hunting and losing grip on why you out there.... Player development but coaches ego gets in the way many times... I like winning, but I’m not a win at all cost guy
 

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It’s F’ING 10U!!!

So glad my log in still works. If you’re bringing in a ringer pitcher at 10u, you suck.

That’s all I have to say. I no longer coach, I no longer participate in these boards. My DD is in HS and isn’t playing travel this year. Some of you know who I am and what I stand for - and the rest I really dont care about. But my 10u team was plenty competitive and the girls are still killing it today in HS and the travel teams they have moved onto - and we NEVER picked up a ringer.
 

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Look, I say let them do whatever they want, obviously trophy hunting and losing grip on why you out there.... Player development but coaches ego gets in the way many times... I like winning, but I’m not a win at all cost guy

Then you hear the team parents yelling out on the field...... nice pitch uhhh sport, good spot uhhh chief, way to go girlie, cuz they don’t know what the new girls name is this weekend


It’s funny because it’s true !! The team that had the “new” girl pitcher actually forgot the girls name at one point .. the actual quote was “ the girl from WV” lol ... hey don’t matter wins a win right !!

I kid .. I kid .. lol keep being you !! See you at the next unsanctioned tournament !!
 

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Some people are able to parlay the short term shame and ignominy into long term success. The play here is to continually recruit in ringers every week so that you have a good enough record at the end of the year to get invited to coach with one of the top orgs. Once you've bumped up to a top tier org, you can actually roster top talent. It's just a matter of how many bridges you burn along the way. Some coaches move up, and some are pushed out of the game altogether. It's not the route I'd take, but best of luck to you.
 

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Rant: I am just going to say this, because it's happened quite frequently. This is something that has not/will not ever happen on the Ohio Storm '08 team. Although it's not illegal in some sanctioning bodies, in my opinion it's wrong and sends the wrong message to young players. The majority of the teams in these rankings are doing the right thing, practicing and working with the players on their roster and pushing them to be better. Some however, feel the need to pick up ACE pitchers from other out-of-state organizations to come pitch for their team in tournaments. The need to pick up another player or 2 because you only have 8 players for a tournament is one thing, but to bring in what you consider an ace pitcher from out of state, when you have enough players on your roster to play a tournament, is another thing. Not sure exactly why coaches do this, but in my opinion, you are so desperate to win and compete with the top teams, that you don't care about the message you are sending to your regular rostered players. Nor do you care what some of your parents are saying behind your back, when their daughter doesn't get to play, pitch or bat, or plays very little. As evident this past weekend, upon talking to one parent from another team while watching their game. I simply asked them, "who's the pitcher?" Their response, "she's from out-of-state, apparently our pitchers aren't good enough, but I don't have anything to do with all of that." I will close by saying this. Coaches that do this, if you think some parents are not talking behind your back about your decision to do this, they are, and when you get beat by a team that is doing the right thing, well you don't really want to know what they are saying. But remember this, there is always plenty of conversation in the car between parents on the way home after a tournament, with a player from your team sitting in the back seat and overhearing that conversation. I have to say, the Storm in 57 games this season, has not faced any out of state Aces brought in by teams and this rant is not because the Storm got beat by any out-of-state Aces. So if the batting helmet fits, wear it, and try coaching the players you have. Instead of having a negative impact on your young players, by giving them the indication that they are not good enough to compete with the top teams. If the batting helmet doesn't fit, then kudos to the teams doing the right thing, by being dedicated, committed and making a positive impact on the young players you picked last August to play for your team. JMO
I %100 agree with this and just wondering how they got voted in the top 10? Buckeye Charge has beaten "this team" twice.
 

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I am curious to hear what the coaches that are condemning “subs” think about players “switching” rosters mid way through the season?
 

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