14U Coaches' Poll - Week of 6/8/09

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The TD posting tournment scores, especially bracket is great. Might be too much to ask to also post "pool" play, but a final seeding going into elimination round like VE does is helpful?

I usually don't post when we don't do well, but that is not to duck a poor outing. I just seems kind of indulgent to come on and say, "hey, we lost in quarter-finals and finished 8th out of 12" .... who cares?

If we do well in a tournament, however, I try to post not just what we did, but also the overall gist of the tournament. Semi-finals & championship at minimum. At least you can then see who was standing late into the tournment, and how the late key match-ups went down. Teams that at least are getting to semi's regularly within good fields of competition are noteworthy as well ... IMHO.

As pointed out, many teams can put an "A" line-up on the field that can compete with anyone, for one game, but may be challenged to win a series. Guess over the season, compilation of information, and match-ups in some big tournaments will paint the picture, over time.

What we have presently may still leave opportunities for improvement, but we are a lot further ahead than we used to be. More importantly, interest & "friendly" debate are a good thing for the sport. This is still at an early stage of organization. And, ... even VERY mature "poll driven" sports like college football still leave teams and fans very dissatisfied at times, with what seems unfair or overlooked at times.

I would think, the the "scores" section on OFC would suffice for posting results week to week. Who is more motivated and better suited to post results than either the TD or the winning team? Just be sure to drill down a level to talk about the "Final 4" ... at least. Once posted, there is plrenty of opportunity for others to chime in regarding details & special circumstances, or to just compliment a team that is flying underneath the radar (whether they want that exposure or not, lol).

Sorry for the long post, just lots of thoughts stimulated by all of the interesting comments from others.
 
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pickle, softball, and cgs,

I agree with all of your points. Another point I want to make in the need for scores to be posted for every tournament is that the 14U teams are getting better. I have been able to watch 14U teams the last two weekends and the level of competition is up this year. You can't go on reputation because there are obviously more teams putting in the time. It is obvious in the hits during the games and the fielding taking place.

So, while we can't all be at every tournament, we should all try and post the results we know to help one another. There is some really good 14U softball being played and we should all be excited about that!
 
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Valley Extreme Kiser has all of their games and results on the Valley Extreme web site.
Just click the 14U Kiser icon and then hit the schedule/results link. These scores are up to date.
 
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^^^ I'm pretty sure all the top ten teams played this past weekend.

BTW...which top 15 teams are playing in the 14U ASA State tournament in Defiance this weekend?

Coach Jeff, the Sapphires made a move up with there Championship this past weekend and Chain Reaction cracked the top ten for the first time with there win over VE-Kieser, and VE-Keiser fell several spots. If said teams want to continue to move up then they will have to play a schedule where they play teams such as Lasers Red, Cincy Doom 95, Ohio Dragons, Ohio Wave ect. Slammers are on a whole differnt mission...lol. Also teams such as Ohio Wave, Cincy Doom and Ohio Draggons must continue to play in top tournaments against the top teams or they will fall, regardless if they go 6-0 and win tournaments.

Bottom line and JMHO...you have to travel to play the top competition and not stay in your back yard if you want to be in the top ten. For example, you can't play Beavercreek in the South or the Steel Valley in the North every weekend and expect to stay near the top.


Bink, I can't really speak for the other teams you mentioned because I am not familier with thier schedules but I do know that we play a solid schedule and from talking to the Doom folks this weekend they do as well.
We play Stingrays, GAPSS, our own tournament (obviously) and this weekend in the Toledo Tune-Up. One of the reasons we head up there is because we get to see a number of teams that we will not see the rest of the season. Michigan teams, some even from Canada and many that don't seem to hit the other events that we travel to. Generally all nice teams. In addition we will also be playing in the Queen of Diamonds south 14U Invitational and two different nationals. I know that the Doom team has scrimmaged Laser Red a few times as well as some other good teams. There is more to a weekend then just going 6-0. Playing good solid consistent softball is why some teams get the recognition.

As for the voting on here I think that there is enough information out there if someone is willing to dig it up. Mostly its a pain. We don't always have the time to do so. In reality just seeing a score may not tell the whole story. For example a 1-0 loss in ITB against a great opponent should get some respect. Definately more then a 13 - 0 win over a team that finished 12th out of 12 teams. I think that the coaches who do vote give their best efforts and for what its worth its really just for fun. The sad part is most of these teams will not play eachother head to head even if they are in the same tournament.

I like the idea of TD's posting the information at the end of each tournament. Not so much for this purpose but it is neat to see what others are doing against eachother. I think that Ricky has been asking them to do that for years now. Maybe if they don't comply he should consider not letting them post their event the following season. Just a thought.

Overall its fun and nothing more.
 
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Valley Extreme Kiser has all of their games and results on the Valley Extreme web site.
Just click the 14U Kiser icon and then hit the schedule/results link. These scores are up to date.


We do the same thing. One of the main reasons is that many of the players extended families live in other states like California, ILL, etc. and they love to keep up that way. If I miss a weekend I will definately hear about it :)
 
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We are playing one tournament up northeast to have an opportunity to see some new teams. In the past we went to NE and NW Ohio as well as Col and Cincy area. We will be playing up at 16u again at HOh June tournament and then onto GAPSS, Stingrays. We will also be going to the QoD South in Rockhill.

Next year - there is no "nationals" goal per se... we will shoot for only ASA college exposure tournaments where ever they are held.
 
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I think the Buckeye Elite from southern Ohio needs some recognition they will be at the rebellion this weekend . This team is made up of a lot of the Wild Thangs and can play some ball. Good luck this weekend ladies.
 
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Laser Silver this year:

1st wkd - finished 2nd at Heart of Ohio - lost to Dragons - notable wins - beat HOO Explosion in bracket play 5-4 in ITB, beat Roadrunners (OH) 8-2 or something like that

2nd wkd - finished second up at the Madness tourney - beat Hurricanes blue 8-3 or something like that - good team - beat Hurricanes red twice, beat Elyria - none of those games were close - beat the Madness 14's - maybe 6-2? Lost to the Gold in the finals

3rd wkd - played 16u at John Wells - split with Ashland Blaze 16's 5-4 and 2-8. beat the Ashland Blaze 15's twice - 6-2 and 4-2, beat the Vipers - 4-0, Lost to Extreme - 4-3. First tourney at 16u - good experience for us as 13's.

This wkd - at Toledo Tune-up - down a few players (down to 9) due to injury -

we play:

Toledo Tune-up schedule for next week:

Friday at Pacesetter vs. Pittsburgh Freedom at 7:00 p.m.

Saturday at Pacesetter vs. Ohio Wave at 830 am
vs. Breakers SW at 1150
vs Mattawan Thundercats at 310
vs Renegades at 630

Sunday vs Breakers Wennerberg at 830
vs Irish Gold at 310

I will try to get these up here as consistently as possible.

Coach Murph
 
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look the way it is we have 15-20 very good 14u teams in Ohio I hope they all keep playing hard and make each other better for Nationals and Ohio stand large in them.
good luck to all
 
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Well said Puff1 ... after all, what is this all worth in the end? Not much more than pride, bragging rights, a litte fun? Goal setting? Recognition from peers?

But way more importantly, awareness & interest! ... JMHO.

It's still somewhat mythical, but it also creates a little excitement when you get to play a team that others think highly enough of to rank. I think all of this just creates more interest & buzz .... which is good for the sport.
 
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Laser Silver this year:

1st wkd - finished 2nd at Heart of Ohio - lost to Dragons - notable wins - beat HOO Explosion in bracket play 5-4 in ITB, beat Roadrunners (OH) 8-2 or something like that

2nd wkd - finished second up at the Madness tourney - beat Hurricanes blue 8-3 or something like that - good team - beat Hurricanes red twice, beat Elyria - none of those games were close - beat the Madness 14's - maybe 6-2? Lost to the Gold in the finals

3rd wkd - played 16u at John Wells - split with Ashland Blaze 16's 5-4 and 2-8. beat the Ashland Blaze 15's twice - 6-2 and 4-2, beat the Vipers - 4-0, Lost to Extreme - 4-3. First tourney at 16u - good experience for us as 13's.

This wkd - at Toledo Tune-up - down a few players (down to 9) due to injury -

we play:

Toledo Tune-up schedule for next week:

Friday at Pacesetter vs. Pittsburgh Freedom at 7:00 p.m.

Saturday at Pacesetter vs. Ohio Wave at 830 am
vs. Breakers SW at 1150
vs Mattawan Thundercats at 310
vs Renegades at 630

Sunday vs Breakers Wennerberg at 830
vs Irish Gold at 310

I will try to get these up here as consistently as possible.

Coach Murph

Good luck this weekend Murph.
 
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look the way it is we have 15-20 very good 14u teams in Ohio I hope they all keep playing hard and make each other better for Nationals and Ohio stand large in them.
good luck to all

You hit the nail on the head. There are many very good teams in Ohio at every age level. The 14U is one of the most talented I have seen since I have been a coach (since the Titanic sunk).

It is a private pleasure for me to see FP softball advance like it has over the years. In just about every tournament, there are several teams that can win it, more than anytime in the past. I like playing outside of the Central and Southern Ohio so I can see some of the other teams in this great state. I have been to all corners of this state and what I saw - was very good teams everywhere!
 
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I heard that High Voltage team beat another team on that list, Buckeye Heat in Pickerington this weekend.
 
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What part of the state is the High Voltage team based out of and do they have a website?
 
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High voltage is a group of girls all from one school in Philo Ohio which is south of Zanesville.They are a great group of girls with a very good coaching staff.Most of those girls have been with those coaches for several years playing together since they were 9.They will be tough in every game they play they are very fundamentally sound with a great number 1 pitcher and a ss that is the youngest on the team and can crush the ball.They should get some votes this week after a good 3rd place showing at the John Wells tourney and then winning going 8 and 0 at picktown this weekend.Keep up the good work Matt
 
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so maybe we start a team results page. each team has their own post and they EDIT it each week to add the results they had that weekend and where. NO POSTING COMMENTS on the results page, just updates it would look like this. Each weekend add your games results...

Akron 18u Lady Irish 18u W 5-0
Akron 18u Chain Reaction 18u L1-3
Akron 18u Brunswick 18u W 7-2

Spano 18u Ohio Freeze 18 L0-5
Spano 18u Pickering Heat (Canada) W4-2
Spano 18u Inferno 18U W 4-2
Spano 18u Indy Dreams 18u L 0-1
 
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so maybe we start a team results page. each team has their own post and they EDIT it each week to add the results they had that weekend and where. NO POSTING COMMENTS on the results page, just updates it would look like this. Each weekend add your games results...

Akron 18u Lady Irish 18u W 5-0
Akron 18u Chain Reaction 18u L1-3
Akron 18u Brunswick 18u W 7-2

Spano 18u Ohio Freeze 18 L0-5
Spano 18u Pickering Heat (Canada) W4-2
Spano 18u Inferno 18U W 4-2
Spano 18u Indy Dreams 18u L 0-1

I like the idea. But sometimes its non-team members who are posting scores from the tourneys.
 
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Ringer:

If it's ok with you, I'm going to start a "Team Results for OFC Pollvoters" page for each age group, with instructions similar to Dave's above.

Thanks.
 
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Need to add a team name for those who aren't familiar with the team the poster is associated with, like the Classics Black in this instance.

so maybe we start a team results page. each team has their own post and they EDIT it each week to add the results they had that weekend and where. NO POSTING COMMENTS on the results page, just updates it would look like this. Each weekend add your games results...

Akron 18u Lady Irish 18u W 5-0
Akron 18u Chain Reaction 18u L1-3
Akron 18u Brunswick 18u W 7-2

Spano 18u Ohio Freeze 18 L0-5
Spano 18u Pickering Heat (Canada) W4-2
Spano 18u Inferno 18U W 4-2
Spano 18u Indy Dreams 18u L 0-1
 
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