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Where do you find the tourney results and scores at?
ASA Tournament 2013 Metro Dayton ASA/USA National Qualifier June 7-9th
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Dammmm, I thought I was in my grandmothers old sewing circle where the old bags sat there and bitched about the same stuff over and over and over. Where are the good umps?
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Nope.... you're just in the Dayton Metro thread where everything is just terrible over and over and over....
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I hear those coupon trading mom's are brutal to be around too...
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I wouldn't sit on anything at that place....hope to never have to see that place again....ever.
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Let me clarify some points made here...
Tammy is no longer there - she retired last year. There was a new first year supervisor there this year - he did welcome hand maintenance rakes/lines. The rakes were purchased by us and placed there by us - not the city. Our coaches and parents were responsible for raking the fields between games - that we are allowed to do - and at Delco and the main complex that went well.
At the 12u diamonds - it did not go so well on Friday and Saturday - that blame falls to us and my coaches/teams. For whatever reason we just have not had enough coaches and parents make the effort to work the fields. As you well know from being a coach, it was that way in past years with some coaches as well. It is also why Hillsdale, UD, Wright State and others will be working the fields next season. They are eager and appreciative of the opportunity to provide for their programs. For us it will be a cost of between $4500 and $6000 in donations made back to their programs, provide a better experience for all the teams and allow our teams to just focus on playing.
On Sunday we lined and raked between every game at all Kettering locations all day. Contact any of the teams still playing on Sunday to verify.
Trash is 100% the cities and they collected everything each morning, I made a point of looking around Fri and Sat night and while cans were full they were not overflowing etc. I agree that they should have done a mid-day collection.
Scorekeeping - MOST teams did text their scores in - some did not at all - esp when they lost and were out - but the winning coach should have taken care of it - I looked at my phone and did not find any from your team all weekend - except the one I texted you for. I actually called your assistant coach on Saturday to get the scores from him as they were not being reported. I did find out that if I made a mistake on entry and went back to correct a game it did not automatically roll the revised winner forward - I had to manually go to the next game and change it. I did mess up the 12u bracket, I had a text with the scores reversed and I entered it without verifying. Butch from the Blazers took the time to call me and walk me thru correcting it. For a tourney with 96 teams in it, all teams knew their bracket seeding and game times for Saturday morning before 9pm Friday night .. I don't know how many times I have received our game times for Sat morning after midnight Friday in other tourny's.
I don't mind legitimate criticism - it is warranted in several areas. We are going to look at the other field locations for next season - if the incoming mayor and parks/rec manager can not offer up assistance for the restrooms and fields we will move it as needed.
Lastly, I do know that the colleges greatly appreciated the opportunity to see the players and all that I spoke with will be back. THEY loved the online scoring, it allowed them to stay out in the park without running back to the scores tables all the time. We, as a first year 16u team, had Miami, Butler, Wright state, UD, Akron and others watch 3-5 innings of our games exclusively on Saturday. That excited my kids and is the real reason we do all this to begin with.
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I just want to say I saw a lot of college coaches at this tournament last weekend. I was impressed with the tournament. Thanks Doug!!!
Ty Kashmiry
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Ty Kashmiry
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I never cease to be amazed at how quickly people jump to criticize others. The criticism on this thread far outweighs any discussion of the actual game of softball or the girls who played hard. So many talk about doing it for the kids, but so few really mean it or live by that standard. Too many parents and coaches do it for self and ego and then jump at every chance to tear down others. Nice example to the kids folks. If you are that disappointed in any tourney, don't return. There is no reason to log onto this site just to publicly whine and scrutinize every effort made by others in the softball community. Legitimate concerns like the pitching mounds can be sent directly to the organization and/or TD. These online attacks are a shame. In a time when we are supposed to be teaching our kids not to bully, it seems a lot of bullying goes on here.
"Those who know the least know it the loudest".
"Those who know the least know it the loudest".
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BTW ... I think you make some excellent points, and you're right about several things and no doubt a few of the posts in this thread have been over the top.
With that being said, there are some basic expectations that should be met around playing in such tournaments, particularly such a large ASA/USA qualifier ... clean bathrooms, well-maintained fields, etc. This tournament has fallen short of that several years in a row, and people are frustrated about it. I did just as you suggested ... not sign up to take my team back there this year. But in life if we continue to just let things go on the way they are and not "complain" when things don't meet our basic expectations, then we shouldn't expect any improvement. If you go to a restaurant and the food is good, but the service is lousy and the restrooms are filthy and you don't say anything, you shouldn't expect anything to improve, right? The problem is that if that continually happens at a restaurant, you can just go to another one down the street. The issue here is that this is pretty much the only sit down restaurant in town ... they have the ASA/USA bid (which will usually draw many of the top teams in the state), and the only other choices are fast food restaurants (sorry to some of the other tournaments for that analogy!).
These tournaments are money-making efforts, and the organizations putting them on should be held to a certain standard. I think most people realize that the primary problem here is the city of Dayton and these fields, though no doubt a little bit of the blame falls on the Hawks organization for not seeing that all of the fields were maintained all of the days as well. It sounds like Doug has some plans to address next year including paying some college teams to help out, and that's a good thing. I think OFC works ...
With that being said, there are some basic expectations that should be met around playing in such tournaments, particularly such a large ASA/USA qualifier ... clean bathrooms, well-maintained fields, etc. This tournament has fallen short of that several years in a row, and people are frustrated about it. I did just as you suggested ... not sign up to take my team back there this year. But in life if we continue to just let things go on the way they are and not "complain" when things don't meet our basic expectations, then we shouldn't expect any improvement. If you go to a restaurant and the food is good, but the service is lousy and the restrooms are filthy and you don't say anything, you shouldn't expect anything to improve, right? The problem is that if that continually happens at a restaurant, you can just go to another one down the street. The issue here is that this is pretty much the only sit down restaurant in town ... they have the ASA/USA bid (which will usually draw many of the top teams in the state), and the only other choices are fast food restaurants (sorry to some of the other tournaments for that analogy!).
These tournaments are money-making efforts, and the organizations putting them on should be held to a certain standard. I think most people realize that the primary problem here is the city of Dayton and these fields, though no doubt a little bit of the blame falls on the Hawks organization for not seeing that all of the fields were maintained all of the days as well. It sounds like Doug has some plans to address next year including paying some college teams to help out, and that's a good thing. I think OFC works ...
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hovering... Method is only known by few.
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Tall people...for the win. :lmao:
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