ASA Tournament 2013 Metro Dayton ASA/USA National Qualifier June 7-9th

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Andrew this one was bad. The dugout would scream Crush this change up mid pitch and BOOM bombs to the out field 4 times in a row. I dont agree with the coach telling his pitcher to say that to the coach. I dont think he should put a 10 year old in that spot. IMO

That is bad. I am not a believer in stealing signs. Takes away from the game to me. I call out batters tendencies on hit locations based off all the data I collect using the iScore app. The players understand that it is just a guess based on 3 years of data from me. It can be very useful though if a hitter always goes one direction.

That little girl had a lot of courage to do what she did though. Sounds like someone I would want on my team. Hats off to her.

 

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Andrew this one was bad. The dugout would scream Crush this change up mid pitch and BOOM bombs to the out field 4 times in a row. I dont agree with the coach telling his pitcher to say that to the coach. I dont think he should put a 10 year old in that spot. IMO

Jay,

My pitchers have asked me before if this ever comes up are we allowed to stop the game and ask the other team if they would like to call our pitches, I said yes, you are the pitcher and you can do that! it took alot of courage for her to do that! we have never witnessed this before and if that is what is done to a 10u pitcher what stops my 10u pitcher from asking that question!

What she asked to the other team was "would you like to call my pitches"! And I will not even respond with what the comment was! Also please take nothing away from the "girls" on the other team they played awesome!

 

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To me these are all teaching moments. Teach how to "bait" them and then watch them squirm. You can steal in at least 2-places that I know of... basketball court and signs in baseball/softball. So, be smarter, stronger, and prevail with higher softball IQ's.

The debate about stealing being "bush league" or not is another topic that could go on for hours.

 

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Jay,

My pitchers have asked me before if this ever comes up are we allowed to stop the game and ask the other team if they would like to call our pitches, I said yes, you are the pitcher and you can do that! it took alot of courage for her to do that! we have never witnessed this before and if that is what is done to a 10u pitcher what stops my 10u pitcher from asking that question!

What she asked to the other team was "would you like to call my pitches"! And I will not even respond with what the comment was! Also please take nothing away from the "girls" on the other team they played awesome!

I agree Marc. also agree if your pitchers have asked then sure. It takes tons of courage. From the outside it looked like she was told to say that is all. Lasers played well. I wish that part of the pitching drama didnt happen but it was a good game.

 

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Re: 2013 Metro Dayton ASA/USA National Qualifier June 6-9th

I don't usually reply to a thread with a purpose of bashing but this tournament just has to be put on blast. Though the competition at 14U was top notch - this is not something the hosting organization controls. It's highly competetive because of the 1st place prize. What the tournament host does control is the park, required conditions and the umpiring.

#1. Delco Park was manned by several of the Hawks teams. For the most part, the fields we maintained and adequate for play. What was NOT adequate was no temporary fencing. I'm not sure if the TD was under the impression that 14U players can't hit balls out of the park or what but I saw some monsters hit that resulted in a 2B. This is an absolute game changer especially when outfielders are standing at 230 so the ball can't get over their head. I watched Lasers Purple hit at least 4HR's on team that weren't even close to being inside the park. Many other teams were also stymied because of this oversight.
#2. The umpiring was absolutely some of the worst I have seen in many years. From huge strike zones down to arguing with coaches it was a real circus. The head umpire had absolutely no control of anything and I seriously wonder how he is even qualified to be in this position. The head umpire in the Lasers vs. Classics 98 game was a complete jerk. I don't have a daughter on either team so don't even go there. I've never seen an umpire talk to players and coaches so rudely. It was a true shame.
#3. If you are going to enforce a concussion rule - you better have a trained medical staff person onsite. For umpires to enforce a rule when they have absolutely no expertise is a real joke.

We've attended this tournament for the last 2 -3 years and its always the same story. "We'll do better next year." I think we'll take our $550.00 somewhere else next year and do better on our own.

 

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the concussion rule is simple... if there are signs, symptoms, behaviors listed in the training materials... player is done. Doesn't mean they were diagnosed with a concussion. The coaches and umps all have the same training or at least that's my assumption.

Just like with a players running a fever of 101 degrees.. doesn't mean they have some deadly disease or issue. Doctors determine the final outcome. Symptoms are just that...

 

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As for the calling out of pitches, I feel way different about it if you're talking about adults (parents/coaches) doing it vs. fellow players. I assume you're talking about adults ...

It was two assistant coasches in the dug out yelling change up boom it to the outfield!!!! What kind of sportsmanship is that????? Why is someone teaching these 10 year old girls that this is ok behavior??? SAD!!!!!!!!!

 

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Umpiring ....I have a rule never blame a loss on a bad call, somewhere in the game you failed to do something correctly to put yourself in a compromised situation , whether you believe that or not you should pass that on to your players ...with saying that we did not have any calls this week that really impacted the outcome of the game, However seen 2 calls regarding batters box ...1 our lefty batter stepped towards 1st on a 3-0 count on a high inside pitch and the ump called a strike both teams were shocked ..called time to ask blue how do see that as a strike he said "I called that a strike because she stepped out of the box" ....WHAT!!!!!! NEVER HEARD OF THAT! We asked blue to draw a box or a line so we don't do it again...he said no...same ump 2 games later their coach says our slapper made contact twice out of the box Blue said no she didn't Im watching her (1 of those times may have been true) They asked Blue to draw a line or a box while she was still up and he said,NO!!Another player who was watching said that in her game an Ump called a strike for digging her back foot in the box said it was delaying the game . Really? The strike zone, well... what can you say, never argue it ,I have never heard from Blue say to a coach ..."Hey coach your right , my bad I will call it next time" LOL!!! The zone was good most of the time it seem to work against both teams now and then .

 

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It has everything to do with the City.. only the city is able to install anything on the complex that involves the fields and players due to an insurance liability issue... if a third party puts up a fence and it is install wrong and their is an injury - lawsuits will fly. we were told 2 years ago that we are not allowed to install any fencing -We priced out temp fencing - it was not allowed to be installed by us.

This is indeed true, but why werent the fences that they have sitting in the yard up? I know from being involved in this that yes you needed to constantly follow up with them and they would have got them up.

The city isnt to blame for the shoddy field conditions. If the city wouldnt let you do field maintenance or trash (Tammy, yard manager has said she welcomed any and all help), how do you plan on getting the city to let Joes players do it next year??

The city was told that the Hawks were going to do between game field maintenance and the city even left rakes at fields for that purpose. After it wasnt done the first 2 days, they came and dragged and lined on Sunday.

The city and Kettering field has faults in this matter, but definitly not all. You cant blame everything on them.

 

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With all the complaints Ive only sen results at 10u. Any results for other age groups?

 

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man this " calling out the pitches" deserves it's own thread . I saw something that astounded me at the SEC tourney . Ga's assist was SCREAMING out either the location or the pitch in the Friday game VS LSU . LSU's responded by SCREAMING LOUDER than the Ga guy was screaming ( timing it at exactly the same time he was screaming) ... so what resulted was two benches SCREAMING at about the time the pitcher released the ball. I actually moved over behind Ga bench to verify what I thought was going on . my comment to my buddy was " He ll this looks like a 10u game gone bad " !!!!

I've got a ton of thoughts about this . The bottom line is " HOW ARE THEY STEALING YOUR SIGNS " ??? My view is make your signs slick enough by whatever means necessary to keep your signs private. Other team steals your signs ?? thats on YOU . It's part of the game and it positively absolutely isnt going away ! .

On a related note I personally dont think it helps the hitter UNLESS you tip her off plenty in advance and most of the time the " advice" is relayed so late it would just cloud the hitters mind . my guess is a thread on this would be highly entertaining and I recommend we start one . ( man things are so much clearer since my dd doesnt play anymore)

 

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i'm old school -- If coaches were calling out my catchers location at 10u and they tipped " outside" I'd instruct darling suzie " Lets play opposites -- that means you throw it really really inside . "

 

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This is indeed true, but why werent the fences that they have sitting in the yard up? I know from being involved in this that yes you needed to constantly follow up with them and they would have got them up.

The city isnt to blame for the shoddy field conditions. If the city wouldnt let you do field maintenance or trash (Tammy, yard manager has said she welcomed any and all help), how do you plan on getting the city to let Joes players do it next year??

The city was told that the Hawks were going to do between game field maintenance and the city even left rakes at fields for that purpose. After it wasnt done the first 2 days, they came and dragged and lined on Sunday.

The city and Kettering field has faults in this matter, but definitly not all. You cant blame everything on them.

No worries, it will be fixed for next years event......... :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: .... go ahead and send in your deposits to reserve your spots..... :lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

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ESPN is scrolling across the bottom this breaking news " Ohio Hawks 1st organization to top 100 teams"

 

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ESPN is scrolling across the bottom this breaking news " Ohio Hawks 1st organization to top 100 teams"

oh my gosh, that was awesome

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i'm old school -- If coaches were calling out my catchers location at 10u and they tipped " outside" I'd instruct darling suzie " Lets play opposites -- that means you throw it really really inside . "

Or really outside like you are going to hit the mascot, ie coach.

 

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geesh, rough crowd. No good deed goes unpunished and this is why we duck when it comes to putting on a ASA/USA event when asked to do so. Noooo sirreee bob! Plenty of mistakes, plenty of good... as with all news, only the bad stuff comes to the front for the fun stuff can't be as dramatic. And I'm not a paid spokesman. Just sayin'...

I have my beefs with every single tournament and probably every single umpire in one way or another, even with a victory. I surely had them in this event, really, not much different.

Doug, I hope it gets better for perception is key as we all know and I'm guessing there's plenty of good in this event. When relying on others outside the org to help it's nasty deal and again the reason we don't look at running huge events. Only done one in the past and now our 16's will host a fall ASA qualifier in Harrison, and they are owning it. I too wish them good luck and I can already read the headlines now..... I'm happy to see the quality teams come in droves and hope it maintains.

 

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To set the record straight on Beavercreek's temp fencing, not all of the diamonds have temp fences. The temp fencing belongs to the local softball association and they put it up/take it down at the request of TDs and it used for both ASA and USSSA softball events as well as boys baseball. The City has nothing to do with it. The City of Beavercreek is cash strapped like other cities but is so much better managed than Dayton and is willing to work with groups like youth softball to make it a good venue-- I have never seen that at Dayton. I ran a Boys Slowpitch World at Dayton in 1997 at Kettering Fields (had 72 teams) and they never delivered on most of what they had promised.

 

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ESPN is scrolling across the bottom this breaking news " Ohio Hawks 1st organization to top 100 teams"

Any plans to drop "Ohio" from the name, just to clear up some of the redundancy?

 

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To set the record straight on Beavercreek's temp fencing, not all of the diamonds have temp fences. The temp fencing belongs to the local softball association and they put it up/take it down at the request of TDs and it used for both ASA and USSSA softball events as well as boys baseball. The City has nothing to do with it. The City of Beavercreek is cash strapped like other cities but is so much better managed than Dayton and is willing to work with groups like youth softball to make it a good venue-- I have never seen that at Dayton. I ran a Boys Slowpitch World at Dayton in 1997 at Kettering Fields (had 72 teams) and they never delivered on most of what they had promised.

Terry,
I like the walking tacos better at Beavercreek as well. Lol.