ASA Tournament 3rd Annual Fall Frenzy 2010 ASA ENQ

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Mike, Just wanted to thank you and your crew for the outstanding job on the fields.Nicol and Angie had a good time playing with the valleystorm and was greatful for the playing time.As you know i only made it for 3-innings until the flu bug sent me home. Fall ball is tough for the roadwarriors since we are all from huber and due to rules can't play together but i have a few more that would love to play if others teams need a fill in.

John
16u Roadwarriors

 

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I wanted to make one last commit on this whole situation and put this whole thing to rest.

Saturday morning, we played our first game with a couple of pick up girls. Our roster was handed in prematurely. We forgot to add them to the roster.
Those girls were only there for the first game.

With all the girls I had out sick, I added two other girls to the roster. They're are folks that think they are illegal by age, which is not the case. Both girls are 14u eligible.

I never did use either one of the girls. They never even showed up for one pitch.

All this was looked over by the tournament directors and most importantly, Eric Shroyer, the head ASA umpire director for the whole region. They looked over the roster and determined that the only issue was the original two girls that we did not put on the roster and for that we had to forfeit the first game.

IF THEY'RE WOULD HAVE BEEN ANY OTHER ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE OTHER GIRLS, HE WOULD HAVE DELT WITH IT. IF WE WOULD HAVE PLAYED WITH ANY OVER AGED GIRLS WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED TO FORFIET THE REST OF THE TOURNAMENT.

I have coached in over 60 tournaments and have never had issue one. Believe me I have learned some things.

1) If you don't have enough players, just don't play
2) Have the roster done before the tournament starts
3) Stick with your players. (Which is what I usually do.)
4) And by God, hand the roster in yourself.

 

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The Hawks apologize to the Valley Storm and all the teams in the tourney for what happened. There never was an intent to roster a player that would have been illegal due to age or other reason, but it is not proper to add to a roster once it has been submitted.

As such, we are reviewing the registration policy with our coaches to ensure that their rosters are submitted in advance of the first game, are complete and accurate as is expected by the TD and sanctioning body.

 

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The Hawks apologize to the Valley Storm and all the teams in the tourney for what happened. There never was an intent to roster a player that would have been illegal due to age or other reason, but it is not proper to add to a roster once it has been submitted.

As such, we are reviewing the registration policy with our coaches to ensure that their rosters are submitted in advance of the first game, are complete and accurate as is expected by the TD and sanctioning body.

Doug,

Having known you guys for a while now (both you and Scott) I always found each of you to be hard working, & passionate about the game as well as great ambassadors for the sport. Each of you have participated in countless tournaments that I have run and not once did we have any issues.

I commend you for the actions taken to insure that roster errors will be eliminated in the future. In the long run your entire organization will benefit from the situation. Just like the learning process on the field.

It appears that others wanted the situation to be more then it was and only they know why.

I wish you and your organization continued success.


Rich

 

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A heads up for coaches, know your rules and guidelines. Players can only qualify for and play in one National age group or division (A, B, C etc.)

If you are a 14U team playing in an early fall qualifier and you have a girl who turned 15 during the current year she is eligable to play in a 14U qualifier. However, this same girl can only play at the 16U level the following season. Now that being said, I highly doubt an opposing coach would check a roster for missing girls unless he saw a player who he knew was "moving up" to an older division.

Technically, this player can be called eligable to play 14U but the same player WILL NOT be eligable to play in a 16U National tournament the upcoming year.

 

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Good stuff to know. So my DD who is 13, turns 14 in Feb, and played 12u this past summer and is now playing with a 14u team had subbed at this tourney with a 12u team that qualified for a 12u berth would have problems next year playing in the 14 regionals?

 

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From what I understand with my DD last year in kind of the same boat, since she played on a team that qualified 'A', she would have to play for a team in the 'A' bracket - to keep 'A' players from going down to 'B' and running over everyone...at least that is my understanding from what I was told...I have no documentation to back it up....

 

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Any coach who takes his team to any type qualifier should educate himself with the rules, especially one who has coached for many seasons. If he doesn't, he should be satisfied with the regular season. There are planty of tournaments that aren't qualifiers. The ones who suffer in the end are the players. Its not their job to police themselves.

 

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Good stuff to know. So my DD who is 13, turns 14 in Feb, and played 12u this past summer and is now playing with a 14u team had subbed at this tourney with a 12u team that qualified for a 12u berth would have problems next year playing in the 14 regionals?

If she is currently 13 and subbed for a 12U team this weekend, then that team used an ineligible player because she is no longer 12 or under....then the team she was picked up by would have a problem.

 

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Since she was 12 on 1/1/09, she is 12u eligible for all of 2009, but she would not be eligible to play in the national tournament at 12u because the national tournament would be held in 2010. I can't imagine why a team would do that other than if they would forfeit due to lack of players...

 

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12 on Jan 1 is 12 all year. Right? even the fall tournies.

 

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Since she was 12 on 1/1/09, she is 12u eligible for all of 2009, but she would not be eligible to play in the national tournament at 12u because the national tournament would be held in 2010. I can't imagine why a team would do that other than if they would forfeit due to lack of players...

Guess you are right.... trying to do all the math in my head is never a good thing..... Question is, why would you A: pick someone up who is going to be moving up next year because she is not going to help you unless your lone goal is to win and B: What good does it do them to basically play down an age group instead of playing with their 14 team or another 14 team, especially if this is going to be their first year at 14.... wouldn't that experience in the fall prove beneficial?

 

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Guess you are right.... trying to do all the math in my head is never a good thing..... Question is, why would you A: pick someone up who is going to be moving up next year because she is not going to help you unless your lone goal is to win and B: What good does it do them to basically play down an age group instead of playing with their 14 team or another 14 team, especially if this is going to be their first year at 14.... wouldn't that experience in the fall prove beneficial?

Answer to A; you would not be "picking up" the player only borrowing her (she would be subbing) for a game or tourney because you are short handed. Fall ball can be tough to get 9 of your players to show up. You have volleyball, homecoming and the dreaded colds & FLU. Subbing is very common in fall ball. Answer B; In my DD case, she played 12u all summer, moved up to 14u in August but is still eligible to play 12u until the end of 2009. If she could sub and get more playing time, that would be beneficial. She wouldn't sub instead of playing with her team, she would only sub for additional playing time when not playing with her team. Problem is if the team played a qualifier and qualified it could effect her ability to play with her 14u team at a regional or national event the following season. If I have that right. It's something I didn't know until this weekend.

 

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This will be an ASA "B" 2010 Eastern National Qualifier.

Also a great chance to see what your 2010 Team looks like.

I was under the impression that you had to play with your 2010 roster? Did teams have to have a 2010 santion number? If so, wouldn't this mean that all players must be 2010 eligible?

 

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CoachSDS has it right on the Money. If you take your team to a "2010 Qualifier" your girls should be rostered for 2010. If your are playing 12U ALL your players better be 12 or younger as of Jan 1, 2010.

 

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GOOD to know

 

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It sounds like the tournament was a success. The girls and the coaches know what they have to work on between now and the spring. There is an important lesson to be learned from this weekend.

I can understand some of the confusion during the fall season due to school and volleyball commitments and trying to get enough players so that you can field a team. Throw in the flu season and it can get down-right hectic.

A quick suggestion.....The coach is an exteremely busy person when they reach the ball park. Registration, team accountability, team warm-ups, and so-on. Last year, my DDs team had an assistant coach who would handle the team registration (rosters, insurance, and so-on) so that the head coach could focus on getting the team ready to play. It worked great.

Another lesson learned is that parents need to understand the rostering rules of each of the sanctions before they let their DD sub on another team.

 

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CoachSDS has it right on the Money. If you take your team to a "2010 Qualifier" your girls should be rostered for 2010. If your are playing 12U ALL your players better be 12 or younger as of Jan 1, 2010.

So, in that case, a 13-year-old who played 12U last year could not play as a sub for a 12U team in fall ball, right? If so, what is the penalty for said organization or player?

 

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Answer to A; you would not be "picking up" the player only borrowing her (she would be subbing) for a game or tourney because you are short handed. Fall ball can be tough to get 9 of your players to show up. You have volleyball, homecoming and the dreaded colds & FLU. Subbing is very common in fall ball. Answer B; In my DD case, she played 12u all summer, moved up to 14u in August but is still eligible to play 12u until the end of 2009. If she could sub and get more playing time, that would be beneficial. She wouldn't sub instead of playing with her team, she would only sub for additional playing time when not playing with her team. Problem is if the team played a qualifier and qualified it could effect her ability to play with her 14u team at a regional or national event the following season. If I have that right. It's something I didn't know until this weekend.

I believe - someone out there correct me if I am wrong - if you roster with an ASA team you must be released from that team in order to play an ASA event with another team. And, upon release you cannot return to team A.

 

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you can roster with multiple teams in asa. but if you play in a qualifier for a team , you can't play in another qualifier for any other team. only non qualifying tournaments. you will need insurance for other teams though. unless you have individual. nsa is very strict. you need releases and approval. and you can only get one release. usssa you also need to get a release. but not to strict.