Be aware not all teams in an organization are the same!!!!

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Not sure batting average is the way to figure playing position ? As they say Defense and Pitching win Championships. That being said you always find a way to get a Great bat in lineup, but there are ways to have her hit and not be a liability in the field. JMHO
 
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Just my $0.02...

BUt is sounds to me that there is something more going on here. My suggestion is to find a team WITHOUT parental coaching, and see how your DD does. Check back with us next Summer....

Good Luck!
 
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Just my $0.02...

BUt is sounds to me that there is something more going on here. My suggestion is to find a team WITHOUT parental coaching, and see how your DD does. Check back with us next Summer....

Good Luck!

Why does everybody assume that a team with a non-parent coach is a superior situation. Some of the best teams in the state all have parents coaching. Contrary to popular belief, a parent coach can be objective and have certain incite how to treat other kids and parents because they themselves are parents with a DD on the team.
 
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Why does everybody assume that a team with a non-parent coach is a superior situation. Some of the best teams in the state all have parents coaching. Contrary to popular belief, a parent coach can be objective and have certain incite how to treat other kids and parents because they themselves are parents with a DD on the team.

Bingo :D
 
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Why does everybody assume that a team with a non-parent coach is a superior situation. Some of the best teams in the state all have parents coaching. Contrary to popular belief, a parent coach can be objective and have certain incite how to treat other kids and parents because they themselves are parents with a DD on the team.

I never said that. But my observations of this situation is that everyone of their frustrations came down to the coaches daughter. Read it again!


"The coaches DD played 2nd base and would literally run from every ball hit at her. He put my DD in center field. It was her job to backup Mercy Mandys mistakes"

"The coaches favorite can make 5-10 errors a game {please do not tell me to go look at some steenking book kept by the coaches wife} and remain in. Game after game after game"

"The coach had taken his error prone daughter off of first base and put her at third. My DD played a very strong first base. One error in 6 games. Second tourney the coach was sick and his older daughter took over the coaching. She put her younger sister on first and the errors at first cost the team the first bracket game."
 
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I have sympathy for DD. My daughter has experienced the same issues. Her team was short pitching. So we picked up a pitcher for one tournament and she played the whole tournament. She didnt sit one inning. She pitched or played somewhere while the roster players sat. We just returned from Nationals where her coach picked up 2 players. Again he played the one player who was two age groups younger almost if not every inning. I think the player was great she did fabulous but we paid to be on this team. I also feel its easier to do well when nothing is expected of you. She had nothing to lose. She wasnt counting on playing. My daughter went to all the practices. Does that count for absolutely nothing?? Im begining to think as a Mom dont bother picking a team just be a free agent get picked up here and there and she will play every inning.


Disclaimer: This is not the name sake's response. We just happened to be discussing this very issue and felt her opinion was a good one. Lane*
 
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your right not all organization are the same ....I think when you have 11-12 girls on at team with parent that spend every weekend together your going to have issues.but one thing to remember if you quit a team what are you teaching your dd "nothing "when the going gets tough its OK to just quit ..so when she is out in the real world and get that first job and things dont go her way she can just up and quit ..I am a parent that has 3 kids that play 5 different sports I have never let one of my kids quit a sport I have pulled my son from biddy football because of grades and he has sat the bench in jr high basketball because of his grades were not to my standards not the school. I all tell my kids if you want to play and you sign up for something you stick it out to the end.
 
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OK well all I can say is the pickup thing worked for us and our rostered players and their parents were great. I think that says they know that going to ASA USA Nationals with 12 players, one of whom might be very hurt, was the only realistically way to approach that tournament.
 
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1st: Batting average plays a huge part in who plays, just ask my one dd. She started every gamer for her high school team but only hit in about 12 out of 30. She realized as long as her hitting was weak spot she would be hit for in games. I give her credit, she realized she needed to hit better and worked her butt off after every game hitting balls.

2nd: Every situation of a kid leaving a team mid season needs to be evaluated differently. We can't just lump them all into one pile and say," leaving is teaching your kid to be a quitter". I love the job comparison. All I know, is if I'm at a job where I'm being treated unfairly and I have the opportunity to change jobs, well I will give it some serious thought. Jobs put food on the table and softball is a game. JMHO

3rd: I just read where cgs's Buckeye Heat team was knocked out of nationals by a team that was rostering 17, yes read it again 17. We can't make parents happy with 11 or 12 just imagine 17. Let's face it, most of the time it's not about making the kids happy but about making the parents happy.

4th: CGS, I could read your post all day long, your wisdom and passion for the game of fastpitch is amazing. I hope your players and parents realize what a gem they have as a coach.
 
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They roster 17 out west because they play double to triple the games we play in the Midwest
 
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Sometimes 1 age group can give an organization the name, but the rest of it's teams are glorified rec teams! I know, I've seen it first hand...
 
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Sometimes 1 age group can give an organization the name, but the rest of it's teams are glorified rec teams! I know, I've seen it first hand...

I know what you mean.The org. my dd just left is just like that, also alot of daddy ball on the other teams in that org.
 
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your right not all organization are the same ....I think when you have 11-12 girls on at team with parent that spend every weekend together your going to have issues.but one thing to remember if you quit a team what are you teaching your dd "nothing "when the going gets tough its OK to just quit ..so when she is out in the real world and get that first job and things dont go her way she can just up and quit ..I am a parent that has 3 kids that play 5 different sports I have never let one of my kids quit a sport I have pulled my son from biddy football because of grades and he has sat the bench in jr high basketball because of his grades were not to my standards not the school. I all tell my kids if you want to play and you sign up for something you stick it out to the end.
That's absolutely absurd.
 
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your right not all organization are the same ....I think when you have 11-12 girls on at team with parent that spend every weekend together your going to have issues.but one thing to remember if you quit a team what are you teaching your dd "nothing "when the going gets tough its OK to just quit ..so when she is out in the real world and get that first job and things dont go her way she can just up and quit ..I am a parent that has 3 kids that play 5 different sports I have never let one of my kids quit a sport I have pulled my son from biddy football because of grades and he has sat the bench in jr high basketball because of his grades were not to my standards not the school. I all tell my kids if you want to play and you sign up for something you stick it out to the end.

So you actually told the school coach your kid is grounded from playing on the team? Was that his last game with the team?
 
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Some parent coaches are excellent. Some aren't. It is just a matter of luck what team one lands into. Some say one should do research about the particular team one is getting involved with. Exactly how do I do that? Someone can be smug and pound out some words on a keyboard but there is no way to know for sure what situation one has gotten into until the dealin' is well under way. If you are being robbed some here say one should stay until the bad guys have all your cash. I strongly believe that cutting losses and living for another round is a better idea.
 
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Just wanted to chime in on the parent vs non-parent coaches. Some parent coaches are excellent and some non-parent coaches are terrible. Really, the parent vs non parent coach issue does not weigh much into our decision. We have been involved with both and there is good and bad with both. I have found, generally speaking that parent coaches care more and invest more into the team.

Parent coaches have more heart and time vested with the team. While it is very difficult to not show some sort of favortism toward your own kid, it can be done. What I look for in a parent coach is that the DD is actually a good player. It helps eliminate the "daddy ball" mentality that the only reason that the dad is coaching is because the kid could not make any other team. If the kid is good, typically, dad knows the game and can teach it and the kid deserves to be on the field.

Non-parent coaches often times have less vested in a team. Often times they are there for the love of the game and are good teachers, but may not have the vesting interest and quality time may be less. There is likely less favortism toward a paticular kid.

Now the above is just based on our experiences only and does not by any means hold true for every team. I have just seen this same experience several times. What we look for in a team is:
Who is the coach?
Does he/she know the game?
What does the team need in a player?
Does my dd fit the need of the team?
Does the coaching style fit my dd's need?
Does my dd learn from this coach?

If most of the above don't fit, then we walk as mentioned above. No team is perfect, no family is perfect and EVERY team has a different chemistry regardless of the badge on the uniform.

Good luck to all choosing a team!
 
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ohio wave 14u ...I sure did and no it wasnt his last game he sat the bench and he watched his team play 2 or 3 games untill all his work was turned in and his grades were up ....In my book if you want to play you also have to keep up your grades and give 100% in everything you do...I made a point to him and he kept his grades up!!!
 
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That's absolutely absurd.

never quit in school or sports



The first time you quit, it's hard. The second time, it gets easier. The third time, you don't even have to think about it.
-Paul "Bear" Bryant,
 
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Just wanted to chime in on the parent vs non-parent coaches. Some parent coaches are excellent and some non-parent coaches are terrible. Really, the parent vs non parent coach issue does not weigh much into our decision. We have been involved with both and there is good and bad with both. I have found, generally speaking that parent coaches care more and invest more into the team.

Parent coaches have more heart and time vested with the team. While it is very difficult to not show some sort of favortism toward your own kid, it can be done. What I look for in a parent coach is that the DD is actually a good player. It helps eliminate the "daddy ball" mentality that the only reason that the dad is coaching is because the kid could not make any other team. If the kid is good, typically, dad knows the game and can teach it and the kid deserves to be on the field.

Non-parent coaches often times have less vested in a team. Often times they are there for the love of the game and are good teachers, but may not have the vesting interest and quality time may be less. There is likely less favortism toward a paticular kid.

Now the above is just based on our experiences only and does not by any means hold true for every team. I have just seen this same experience several times. What we look for in a team is:
Who is the coach?
Does he/she know the game?
What does the team need in a player?
Does my dd fit the need of the team?
Does the coaching style fit my dd's need?
Does my dd learn from this coach?

If most of the above don't fit, then we walk as mentioned above. No team is perfect, no family is perfect and EVERY team has a different chemistry regardless of the badge on the uniform.

Good luck to all choosing a team!


Wow, I am not a parent with a daughter playing. . .at one time both of my daughters played, and I coached the oldest until she was finished. So I am looking at this as a person that has been on both sides of the fence as a coach.

To say that as a "non-parent" coach, we are not as invested, is really painting all of us with a broad stroke of a brush. Yes, I love this game and have coached for 3 years with no children on my team out of my total of 16 years of coaching. But, I do this because I want to share my love of the game with the players. You can ask many players that have played for me in the past and each and everyone has a special place in my heart and I put everything on to the table for these kids. I invest my own money, my free time, and have even jeapordized my marriage because of the amount of time I do give. I am in regulary contact with many of my former players that are playing college ball. They still come to me with questions, ask for advise, and just share their success stories or their failures.

I have no bias towards any player and I look at the entire situation from the perspective of what is best for the team during a specific game/situation. I am about the TEAM and for the team. My goal is to provide as much fundamental skillsets, knowledge of the game, love of the game, and lessons that can be applied to the lives of these girls. I know my fellow coaches that do not have children playing on my team have the exact same mind set. We love these kids and freely give everything we can to them.

We are invested 110% in our team and the players. . .so are we possibly a rare breed. No, I just think that as you say, it's "often times" a case is not the case in a majority of the situations. It's about finding the right fit for your child.

Watch during tournaments (even in between games) how the players/coaches interact. A good coach is able to enjoy the kids and have fun on and off the field. A good coach is able to direct the kids with positive-negative-positive instruction. A good coach will ride their butts when they need it but ensure the player understands the difference between instruction and negativity. A good coach has the TEAM work as a TEAM with no one individual always being the center. A good coach gently guides players into leadership roles. A good coach finds good in every player. And finally, a good coach hurts just as much inside as their team does during any bad time and hold their team together to battle through that bad to find the good.

Here's to all the coaches out there that are striving to do what is right for the TEAM as a whole!
 

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