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I'm not lost, what Ron means I think is that there are no players in Ohio like Sito and Dill......he's right, there just isn't many that can play at that level.

 

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fpdad and forum,
Correct... If the travel coaches and Dads/Moms can develop the players, they'll be recruited by elite programs... When I watch in-state DI, which contains many Ohio ladies and except for J.Simpson,who would you move to an elite program...If the kids were good enough they'd be recruited..We can speculate about our players/daughters abilities, the DI coaches have to guess right... The game is their job...
Ron Poole

 

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Not even close.... Their job should be looked at more closely when bad seasons consecutive... but due to a minor sport they aren't. Vasquez from UA, Lakewood pitcher in 09?, grove city past pitcher?, Faith
tessmer former member of lasers would all at least do what they have now, Tori Brown at Valpo. That's just ones I can think of without thinking hard.

 

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To me - both sides of this are perfectly ok. If there aren't top line players in Ohio - so be it. If there are I would hope the OSU staff would lock them down.

My position is a simple one. Recruit the players necessary to consistantly win, period. Regardless of where the recruits come from, Ohio State should have a top 20, 30 program. If there aren't enough good players in Ohio, go find them elsewhere. I just don't think OSU Softball has the reach it should. Unfortunately I don't think I am the only one with that feeling.

 

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Hilliard, I think you are on to it... There have been elite players.. at this level... and they have not been recruited... recently I think things are changing, but I just think OSU missed a couple top players because word was, a few years ago, if your from OHIO your not playing at OSU.. maybe Im way off here but this is how I have seen things..

 

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Rays, good point also.. OSU does not need to fill a roster with just Ohio players, certainly not.. but when there is that top kid in Ohio, why is OSU never mentioned in who is recruiting them?

 

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All I am saying is the West Coast Golden girls being brought in are equal to some here is all....... As a coach do you concede errors in double digits for Hr's? Give me D over power game and create runs with mix of speed and hits.

 

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Just looked at OSU roster and I count 8 Ohio girls on the roster (out of 22), though only 3 of them are getting significant playing time.

 

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Hilliard, I think you are on to it... There have been elite players.. at this level... and they have not been recruited... recently I think things are changing, but I just think OSU missed a couple top players because word was, a few years ago, if your from OHIO your not playing at OSU.. maybe Im way off here but this is how I have seen things..

what positions do these non-recruited elite players play? Maybe there were offers, but just not what the parents were looking for? A team only gets so much money per year, and to make it go around for 18 players gets kind of tough. And there are also so many positions. maybe elite girls A and B wanted to play SS and CF, but they were offered as LF and RF and the players wanted no part of playing out of position?

it is hard to say.

 

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Its an individual thing, Why did Sito choose to go to Clev State to begin with. Some kids may choose mid over major to prove to themselves that they can play at that level and then transfer up, Some choose mid over major because of money. Mids can often times pay more for the athlete than majors will, Some pick mids because the offers they received from Majors are to far from home. Some choose mids because their goal is reached in 4 not 5 years. Some choose mids because they can be an instant impact player on their team and not not ride the pine their freshman season.

Their is a **** load of parity at the D1 level. Yes you still have your top 25 but there are about 250 teams at the D1 level that arnt in that top 25 and there are gems scattered all through it. If you dont believe me look at the top 300 ranked athletes. They all dont play on those top 25 teams they are mixed in the 31 conferences.

Anyone who has been thru the recruiting process with OSU or any other major will tell you . Unless your a pitcher your not going to see alot of money. They will buy you as cheap as possible and if you cost to much unless you are a pitcher and a good one at that they expect you to play ( and pay ) for the privilege of playing on their squad. ...... Period........

When you have Mids that have a higher rpi then majors, and are also ranked higher in BA, RBI, HITS, and other offensive stats all you have to do is use common sense and do the math. College is no different than pro sports, those that have the budget can afford the big dogs. Those that dont will always be bottom dwellers.


Tim

 

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^ exactly. And that is why many elite Ohio players don't show up as being recruited by OSU. The last few years, they spent a lot of money on a few California kids and pitchers. Being around the summer circuit and talking to parents, most dad's think their elite 2nd,3rd, or 1st basemen should get a full ride. And when OSU don't have the money to pony up, they go elsewhere. And why not as we have all spent $$$ on lessons, travel, team fees, videos, recruiting camps, etc.

just a thought.

 

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Erin Gabriel and Taryn Alvelo are going SEC and Pac 12 --there are two more Tosu missed out on . I hear that the laser gold girl whose name escapes me is verballed to Louisville . there are three just off the top of my head. they are out there . Anderson from cinci was plenty worth of Tosu looks . MD

 

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MD. These are all pitchers. If not mistaken, those close to Gabriel indicate she has wanted Tennesse forever. OSU didn't stand a chance. And Alveo was in 8th grade when verballed? What about the position players though? Does Ohio produce elite position players worthy of big money? OSU gives 25%, and Toledo may give 60% to the same player. Where does the player go? does that mean OSU didn't recruit the player?

This year's and next year's OSU class has a lot of Ohio postion players compared to the last 10 years or so and based on earlier comments, OSU stinks. Can't field the ball.

 

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Everyone has their thoughts on this. Ohio has proven it can compete at the highest level of travel softball. Ohio has strived before and especially in recent years at the ASA USA Nationals with their finishes. Gaining ground and Ohio is on the elite softball map. Are they Cali most likely not who is but really who is. As far as the Mac and other smaller conferences they can compete with the big ten and others on any given day they can be beat (Ask Michigan) This year they had some top teams on the ropes and some have been beaten. It's like football deeper at positions overall better talent. From what I have seen make a mistake an error, or bad inning and these teams pounce on you. OSU really hasn't give the young pitchers a chance this year (sophomores)

 

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I think there are more Colleges in the past 3 years taking a good look at Ohio players. We can not be that far behind in the amount of quality players coming up.
Scouts would be crazy to pass up Ohio talent!

 

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I think there are more Colleges in the past 3 years taking a good look at Ohio players. We can not be that far behind in the amount of quality players coming up.
Scouts would be crazy to pass up Ohio talent!

I agree AceGRC. I would like to note that I took my daughter to the fall Miami University (Ohio) camp, and I truly believed they were genuinely looking at these Ohio players as possible recruits. Tremendous hand-on from the Miami players, and coaches closely evaluating every step these young players made. Afterward, we received an evaluation signed from the head coach with recommendations that you could believe.


Ohio's flagship university should tell us what they are looking for if we are not producing the players that they want, because I do not believe that the Cali players have a special DNA strand coded for softball.

 

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Sometimes it's not about the money, some would play there for free and can't get the same majors elsewhere and walk away from the game for the degree....

 

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A little factor not talked about much could be a touch of Alumni Moms and Dads from out of state wishing their kids to certain schools. Can't blame anyone for helping their kids out.

 

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Sometimes I find things like this interesting, and sometimes things like this prove absolutely nothing. But I just looked at 4 pretty decent softball programs down this way. UF, FSU, USF and Alabama. While the three Florida schools carry a large number of in state kids, Alabama only has 5 instate kids. I have no idea what the % scholarship $ is given to each player, or even what the extent of their playing time is. I am sure you can look at many D1 schools and find very different roster make-ups. The thing I will say, and the thing I think OSU misses, is that these schools recruit the kids that they need to be top 20 programs - regardless of where they are from. Each team has its own competitive personality and they recruit the best players possible to stay on top - regardless of where the players hometown is. Heck I saw kids from Alaska and Hawaii on these teams rosters.

Like I said before - I hope the top 2-3 players in Ohio every year want to play for tOSU and Coach K is able to get them. I also assume the coaching staff is able to improve every player and keep the competition level high. I also expect tOSU to recruit the best talent possible to fill their needs like these other top 20 schools are able to do. Every school has the same roster and scholarship considerations to deal with. Managing that is critical. It's all about recruiting, recruiting, recruiting.

 

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MD. These are all pitchers. If not mistaken, those close to Gabriel indicate she has wanted Tennesse forever. OSU didn't stand a chance. And Alveo was in 8th grade when verballed? What about the position players though? Does Ohio produce elite position players worthy of big money? OSU gives 25%, and Toledo may give 60% to the same player. Where does the player go? does that mean OSU didn't recruit the player?

This year's and next year's OSU class has a lot of Ohio postion players compared to the last 10 years or so and based on earlier comments, OSU stinks. Can't field the ball.

I can only speak to our experience. Erin wasn't on OSU's radar until late in the recruiting process. We had offers from several other schools before OSU ever tried to speak to Erin. Her experience with OSU was not as positive as with any other coach.

As for Tennessee, Erin did not always want to go there. We wanted to be sure that when Erin committed she would be happy with her choice and experience no regrets. We went on many unofficial visits. Four times to Tennessee and at least twice go her other top choices. She is at Tennessee because Ralph and Karen Weekly gave her the time necessary to make her choice. She felt comfortable with that program.