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"Discipline yourself and others won't have to"
Nice footer signature. Rather appropriate in this situation.
Nice footer signature. Rather appropriate in this situation.
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We are at Tipp City this weekend for the strike out cancer event. Lot's of pink rubber arm bands being sold to raise money. It will be interesting to see if they allow them to be worn by the players.
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Goes for the ump too ;&
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If I am the girl, I blame myself for placing myself in a situation where an authority figure has to make a decision on my mistake. If I'm the coach, I'm sick with myself that I didn't know the rule and couldn't immediately correct the umpire. (Why coaches simply refuse to read rulebooks cover to cover prior to each season is beyond me). If I'm the umpire, I'm making sure to know the rulebook from now on, especially before I remove someone from the game, and I feel terrible I cost a girl a game and that my misapplication of the rule changed the game. If I am the supervisor of that umpire, I have a stern talk with him about making sure you know exactly what you're doing before you remove someone from a game on a rules violation. Err on the side of caution, not of severity.
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I have had an umpire go out to the mound between innings and dust off the rubber and tell a player under his breath that she was wearing a piece of jewelry and then gave her an opportunity to remove it. It was a necklace that she thought she had under her shirt that came out doing the game. I have appreciated the way that it was handled; it became a non-event, no one got hurt, and the games outcome was then decided on the field.
Remember that just last year metal bobby-pins were considered jewelry. A head band with glitter is currently not permitted but an all cloth one is okay. A medic-alert wrist band is okay but a rubber cancer support band is not. What about a religious symbol under the shirt. This leaves all of us a little confused.
A coach and the players have a lot on their mind going into a game and it easy for someone to slip up. The warning is should have been used and that is usually sufficient to have everyone on both teams check themselves. Sitting a player down or benching a coach should never have happened. Tossing a girl out of a game and having the residual linger for two more games is just completely insane.
This call so early in the season was handled poorly. The UIC should have a talk with this umpire and calm him down, imagine his response when he has to make a tough call and he is face to face with a real problem.
(At least someone got a game in)
Remember that just last year metal bobby-pins were considered jewelry. A head band with glitter is currently not permitted but an all cloth one is okay. A medic-alert wrist band is okay but a rubber cancer support band is not. What about a religious symbol under the shirt. This leaves all of us a little confused.
A coach and the players have a lot on their mind going into a game and it easy for someone to slip up. The warning is should have been used and that is usually sufficient to have everyone on both teams check themselves. Sitting a player down or benching a coach should never have happened. Tossing a girl out of a game and having the residual linger for two more games is just completely insane.
This call so early in the season was handled poorly. The UIC should have a talk with this umpire and calm him down, imagine his response when he has to make a tough call and he is face to face with a real problem.
(At least someone got a game in)
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Exactly so, Joe.
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Anyone that high and mighty on the rules consider this:
jew?el?ry
[joo-uhl-ree]
–noun
1. articles of gold, silver, precious stones, etc., for personal adornment.
2. any ornaments for personal adornment, as necklaces or cuff links, including those of base metals, glass, plastic, or the like.
Now, let's get into a debate if a rubber bracelet is "plastic", or fits the criteria "of the like". Also note that this is the secondary definition of the word. I don't believe for a New York minute that the player was "rogue" and trying to harm her team or her coach, nor do I believe that the coach is stupid, non-observant, or clueless. This is obviously an honest mistake. Go ahead and see if any District Attorney would take on a case like this in a court of law. There is the letter of the law, intent, motive. THIS WAS JUST AN HONEST MISTAKE BY A KID WHO PAID THE PRICE OF SITTING OUT A GAME.
Did the umpire say the word "jewelry", or "adornment", or specifically say that these rubber band bracelets, so common today in the entire world of sports, are illegal?
The very best umpires call the game fair, correct, and in the end they are noticed because they do NOT affect the outcome. Not in this case, not by a longshot. That is the ultimate blown call. Blown calls happen in the fast-paced action of a game, it's subjective from the point of view. There was no hurry to judge, it would have been simple, harmless, and a lesson learned in a positive way if the umpire held up play and announced to both teams and the fans, "LADIES! These rubber band bracelets are also considered to be jewlery, so please remove them or I will have to restrict you to the bench, both teams consider this your warning."
So someone made a mistake of wearing a rubber band bracelet to home plate. If the majority of people truly, honestly, sincerely believe that this is cause for ejection or restriction to the bench, then I regret the day I ever bought DD a glove or bat, and wish I had taken her to ****** tryouts instead. No wonder the world doesn't want to play softball and it's no longer an Olympic sport, if that is in any way indicative of the attitudes that permeate it.
Coaches and players "should" know the rules. Umpires are "required" to know the rules. If coaches and players are expected to be complete experts in all of the intracacies of the rules, then fine, let's operate that way and then we don't need umpires at all, save the money for the end-of-year team party. Have the catchers call balls and strikes, let the fielders determine out or safe, and when there is a disagreement, have the two coaches do rock-paper-scissors to decide it.
jew?el?ry
[joo-uhl-ree]
–noun
1. articles of gold, silver, precious stones, etc., for personal adornment.
2. any ornaments for personal adornment, as necklaces or cuff links, including those of base metals, glass, plastic, or the like.
Now, let's get into a debate if a rubber bracelet is "plastic", or fits the criteria "of the like". Also note that this is the secondary definition of the word. I don't believe for a New York minute that the player was "rogue" and trying to harm her team or her coach, nor do I believe that the coach is stupid, non-observant, or clueless. This is obviously an honest mistake. Go ahead and see if any District Attorney would take on a case like this in a court of law. There is the letter of the law, intent, motive. THIS WAS JUST AN HONEST MISTAKE BY A KID WHO PAID THE PRICE OF SITTING OUT A GAME.
Did the umpire say the word "jewelry", or "adornment", or specifically say that these rubber band bracelets, so common today in the entire world of sports, are illegal?
The very best umpires call the game fair, correct, and in the end they are noticed because they do NOT affect the outcome. Not in this case, not by a longshot. That is the ultimate blown call. Blown calls happen in the fast-paced action of a game, it's subjective from the point of view. There was no hurry to judge, it would have been simple, harmless, and a lesson learned in a positive way if the umpire held up play and announced to both teams and the fans, "LADIES! These rubber band bracelets are also considered to be jewlery, so please remove them or I will have to restrict you to the bench, both teams consider this your warning."
So someone made a mistake of wearing a rubber band bracelet to home plate. If the majority of people truly, honestly, sincerely believe that this is cause for ejection or restriction to the bench, then I regret the day I ever bought DD a glove or bat, and wish I had taken her to ****** tryouts instead. No wonder the world doesn't want to play softball and it's no longer an Olympic sport, if that is in any way indicative of the attitudes that permeate it.
Coaches and players "should" know the rules. Umpires are "required" to know the rules. If coaches and players are expected to be complete experts in all of the intracacies of the rules, then fine, let's operate that way and then we don't need umpires at all, save the money for the end-of-year team party. Have the catchers call balls and strikes, let the fielders determine out or safe, and when there is a disagreement, have the two coaches do rock-paper-scissors to decide it.
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We had an umpire tell one of our players she would be ejected and sit 2 games if she did not remove her earrings last night.
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We can debate I guess about whether this is a good rule and what qualifies as jewelry, but more importantly it seems like there is a lot of confusion on the consequences of violations of this rule. As others have mentioned, a lot of people made mistakes on this with the one that the umpire made being the most significant if in fact no official warning was ever given. People make mistakes ... let's hope that people learn from this and move on.
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Way back when I had a girl get called out before the first pitch of her 1st AB because she had an elastic pony tail holder around her wrist. She had been told before the game to take it off.
How can something like that cause an injury? You know the little loop thingies on the back of cleats, athletic shoes, etc? My nephew broke his finger when it got caught in one while trying to make a tackle. You just never know...
How can something like that cause an injury? You know the little loop thingies on the back of cleats, athletic shoes, etc? My nephew broke his finger when it got caught in one while trying to make a tackle. You just never know...
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The problem is there are more and more umpires out there looking for a reason to throw their weight around, could this be anymore ridiculous? Is this jackhole so strict he couldn't just ask her to take it off. Come on, realize what your there for!!
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When there is a rule infraction and a "break" is given, what is the umpire supposed to say the opposing coach when he or she asks why there was a deviation from the rulebook?
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I don't think it's a matter of giving one side a "break". As bretman said, the ump should have given her a chance to take it off and then given the team an official warning. That's not showing favoritism to one team over another.
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backstop -- have you actually read what happened ? NO ONE WANTS A BREAK !!!! -- just issue the PROPER penality and warnings. The only DEVIATION from the rule book was with BLUE ! Geez MD
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Proper procedure is to have it removed and subsequently issue the warning in the same step. They are not two different steps.
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Where do you get that? My experience has been completely opposite. Why is it that if an umpire makes a mistake, it is automatically "somebody throwing their weight around", "an ego out of control", "he forgets what the game is about", " he thinks that he is bigger than the game"...and on and on...
Can't a mistake ever be just that- an honest mistake? Is 100% perfection, 100% of the time, a realistic expectation for amateur sports officials?
Then again, umpiring has been described as an advocation where you are expected to be perfect the first day on the job...and then to get better after that!
The rule book is a hundred pages long and there are a thousand rules in it. I don't care who you are, you will probably never have every single rule committed to memory and there are bound to be a few that you don't have a good handle on, no matter how good you are.
This is why I suggested that the school's administrators contact the umpire's supervisor. That way, the umpire learns something about the rule he had wrong and the same mistake doesn't get repeated again.
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Way to go Les, look what you started! HAHA! JK! I will be the first (well maybe not the first) coach on here to say...I WOULD NOT WANT TO UMPIRE, EVER! I was asked to "help" with a high school church league coed game about 5 years ago. I took a beating from...the kids!
NEVER AGAIN!!
PS...Bretman, thank you for the clarifications!
NEVER AGAIN!!
PS...Bretman, thank you for the clarifications!
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My dd wears these http://www.underarmour.com/shop/us/...id1218013-1-Performance-Wristband/1218013-001 wrist (sweat bands) on her arms sometimes as well as wrist/fore arm....i had her bring me one as well as a rubberband wrist band like the one stated in the post,....well i pulled on them both to try and break them.. well i can tell you without a doubt UA makes some tough stuff!!! but they both seperated around the same pressure.
IMHO...its the rule makers who sit around and come up with some crazy stuff for umpires to enforce is the problem.Its the ones who want to make themselves feel needed and justify their paychecks that will end up having coaches and umpires reading through an art of war index to know and understand the rules of the game.Heck all schools will have to be pay to play to be able to afford the collage graduate with a masters in Umpiring.lol
Having said all that i agree that umpires are a part of the game and without them there is no game but tossing kids is the last thing a good umpire would want to do im pretty sure.
I think mabey i have a post on here about umpires that ill have to find and share...bretman excluded as always;&
IMHO...its the rule makers who sit around and come up with some crazy stuff for umpires to enforce is the problem.Its the ones who want to make themselves feel needed and justify their paychecks that will end up having coaches and umpires reading through an art of war index to know and understand the rules of the game.Heck all schools will have to be pay to play to be able to afford the collage graduate with a masters in Umpiring.lol
Having said all that i agree that umpires are a part of the game and without them there is no game but tossing kids is the last thing a good umpire would want to do im pretty sure.
I think mabey i have a post on here about umpires that ill have to find and share...bretman excluded as always;&
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Problem is that most of the coaches do NOT know the rules as proven in this case. If they did then they could have asked for time and protested the call based on a rules interpitation and won- very simple if they would just pick up the rule book and read it once in their lives.
