forfeited game

[daboss]

It appears that a player, subbed on a 14U Travel team in a small, local to her, 1 day travel event. possibly with an alias. And somehow video of her running bases made it to social media....and someone saw it.

Hence the use of an ineligible player and the resulting forfeit.

Ironically, this could potentially cost the school a conference championship. Thankfully it was exposed before more severe damage was done.

So let me see if I got all this straight.

Even if the info is not totally correct lets use this scenario as a teaching or observational moment. With this info we are talking about a 14 yr. old that took an assumed name on a travel or Rec roster. This same individual was probably coerced by an adult or more than 1 adult to break multiple rules that have been in place for a multitude of reasons. There's a pretty good chance that a parent or parents of the 14 yr. old were involved in the decisions made.

Many of you know that my heart and soul is "All In" to promote the game of fastpitch softball for the girls. You've witnessed me saying it's just a game. However; there's got to be structure and rules. As you enter the different facets of the sport the demands of structure and rules become more present. A young lady of 14 yrs. old, in high school, playing with her team under the rules of the OHSAA may not know there is anything wrong by stepping out to play with another team-----------but I'll bet one or all the adults knew. How about the fact she took on an assumed name on the roster in that moment. Even she knew this wasn't cool. Some adult probably instructed her to identify herself as somebody else if asked. Anyone else see the ethical breakdown and how the overall impact could lead so many lives down a questionable path-----------just because it's a game.

As adults, as coaches, we have a moral obligation to follow the rules. Stop and think about the life-changing results to so many people because a few decided it won't hurt anything. Well, those few selfishly could have jeopardized a lot of people's lives in this instance.

I blame myself. I spent some of my time as a young adult trying to find a way to live in the "gray" area. I grew up in an environment with a NASCAR mentality that "It ain't cheating if you don't get caught". It was later that I realized this isn't always the normal and discovered morals and ethics are needed in society-----in every facet of life.

It seems unfair. We can only assume a lot of people will learn a lesson from whatever transpires. Hopefully the OHSAA will use some common sense justice so it doesn't jeopardize those innocent young ladies that have been betrayed. The school will need to decide what will be proper as a punishment for putting everyone into this predicament. Perhaps a plea agreement of sorts between the impending punishment from the school to the OHSAA would have some impact.

Bottom line; rules are rules. Either abide by them or don't play. That's the choice in society. It doesn't matter what your personal agenda deems to be fair.

On that note, I want to apologize for any wrongdoing that may have occurred in my past from my poor judgement.

 

[DanMaz]

to blame parents and adults without any inside knowledge of the situation, the family or the girl that happens to be in the middle of this -- just isn't fair. To assume things... well you know the saying. it makes an ass out of you and me... just wondering if you know the family or young lady involved? maybe she didnt know.... maybe now she is looked at as a cheater and maybe she had no idea and has a hole new thing to deal with from haters in her community or others that she plays against. ... and maybe she feels really bad about it.... seriously. i would not jump to conclusions on a subject that could be something you think but isnt actually true.

 

[grandpa]

Every school is required to have a mandatory preseason meeting with parents. This topic should be a topic of discussion at that meeting. I would think the coach at West would be have reminded his players of this several times throughout the spring. To claim that the player or parent were not aware of the rule seems implausible.

 

[LineDrive1434]

Whether you like the rule or don't it's kind of irrelevant. She broke the rule. Her parents, and both team coaches have done this girl a disservice and potentially caused forfeits for her school team (hopefully she was unaware or it's worse).

 

[LineDrive1434]

Whether you like the rule or don't it's kind of irrelevant. She broke the rule. Her parents, and both team coaches have done this girl a disservice and potentially caused forfeits for her school team (hopefully she was unaware or it's worse).

We told our travel girls from middle school on that when school tryouts ended so did their participation with the summer team to avoid all "misunderstandings".

 

[Captain_Thunder]

to blame parents and adults without any inside knowledge of the situation, the family or the girl that happens to be in the middle of this -- just isn't fair. To assume things... well you know the saying. it makes an ass out of you and me... just wondering if you know the family or young lady involved? maybe she didnt know.... maybe now she is looked at as a cheater and maybe she had no idea and has a hole new thing to deal with from haters in her community or others that she plays against. ... and maybe she feels really bad about it.... seriously. i would not jump to conclusions on a subject that could be something you think but isnt actually true.

The Father of this young lady is listed as an assistant coach on the team she played on! I feel sorry for the girl.
Dad knew exactly what he was doing, just hoping it didn't get caught... Shame

 

[DanMaz]

hmmm with little research i went to the highschool website and looked at the coaching staff and varsity roster and did not see any same last names... doesnt mean i am right doesnt mean i am wrong... just pointing it out. Its a shame if its true and especially if dad was a coach. After 2 dd's went thru HS ball, there was never anything said about no travelball in any parent meetings we attended. I dont think every school or program is the same and i am sure some could care less about travelball anyway.

 

[Captain_Thunder]

hmmm with little research i went to the highschool website and looked at the coaching staff and varsity roster and did not see any same last names... doesnt mean i am right doesnt mean i am wrong... just pointing it out. Its a shame if its true and especially if dad was a coach. After 2 dd's went thru HS ball, there was never anything said about no travelball in any parent meetings we attended. I dont think every school or program is the same and i am sure some could care less about travelball anyway.

The dad isn't on the high school staff! LMAO
He was listed as an assistant coach on the team that wanted to win a ring a couple of weeks ago!
The high school coach has been at the school for many, many years. He has always made his feelings known that as soon as Try-outs start - all players are to stop practicing with summer teams! I know this because I had junior high players from the school playing for me over a decade ago and they were worried about playing in a scrimmage that legally they were allowed to. But this system has always been this way.
This dad put his daughter and school teammates in jeopardy so he could win a ring! She is a JV player who only played up in 2 games that were total blow outs. I heard that the JV team forfeit several games because of this. But have no confirmation since I don't know if anyone keeps JV standings...

 

[Passion4theGame]

All HS programs have a Spring sports meeting and make it very clear NOT to participate with travel teams once the first scrimmage for HS.

to avoid any violation I have always released my Athletes to their School ball programs on or Before February 15th. As most HS tryouts are held that week.

This is selfish, careless, disrespect, and arrogant to play in a travel tournament during School ball season. Just to win a $12 Ring?! SMH.

That HS coach probably loves that Dad for the forfeit. SMH.

 

[DanMaz]

oh boy - so this fool didnt even try to be sneaky... hey anyone would rather get a ring than play for JV !!!!!......hahahahah JOKING - dont get all excited and fired up... but honestly, i would bet there are a lot of parents that dont know the rule and i bet there are a lot of schools that dont mention it either. BUT if you know it, and then disobey it, your guilty. and you probably have a black mark on your back and your kids back now in the community. Time to move!

 

[DanMaz]

and for anyone thats wondering.... reason i am missing players this weekend... because they are running track for their school which i support and put first. School sports come before travelball and you are excused from practices and games if you participate in school sports. My rule- i back it up and support the girls to play other sports especially for their school.

 

[Stedman00]

i can say with 100% accuracy that player and parent were both told, well in advance, of the no contact date that starts back in Feb. Coach for Lakota West has been there since 1997. And if past years are any indications, told multiple times by multiple persons in authority.

So, parent or player (or both), decided they would devise this scheme to play in 1 day travel event, got caught, with all the resulting issues. Very, very easily could have cost West a chance to go very far and potentially win state title this year with a supremely talented roster. Imagine if this was all discovered on 11 May, and said player had played in play off game???

IMO, she would be better off switching schools versus trying out for Lakota West next year. Entire thing is like a poster for the "world's most selfish player". or parent.

Heck, even a question on this forum about travel vs school and black out dates, would have easily yielded information that would have prevented this entire issue.

 

[Passion4theGame]

i can say with 100% accuracy that player and parent were both told, well in advance, of the no contact date that starts back in Feb. Coach for Lakota West has been there since 1997. And if past years are any indications, told multiple times by multiple persons in authority.

So, parent or player (or both), decided they would devise this scheme to play in 1 day travel event, got caught, with all the resulting issues. Very, very easily could have cost West a chance to go very far and potentially win state title this year with a supremely talented roster. Imagine if this was all discovered on 11 May, and said player had played in play off game???

IMO, she would be better off switching schools versus trying out for Lakota West next year. Entire thing is like a poster for the "world's most selfish player". or parent.

Heck, even a question on this forum about travel vs school and black out dates, would have easily yielded information that would have prevented this entire issue.

I would guess since players dad is a travel coach and she plays a lot of JV he pretty much said big deal who cares, I want my $12 ring.

This is the problem with our world today. Everyone thinks their kid is a super star and they think they can do whatever they choose with no repercussions. If their daughter doesn’t start varsity they think it’s politics or whatever but they need to take a look in the mirror and they will see the issue. Work harder to start for Varsity. Parents keep your mouth shut and support the TEAM. It’s a Team sport.

I agree, this Athlete probably has no shot at playing for LW next year and as the coach for that HS I wouldn’t take the chance on her and her father. No way.

 

[yocoach]

I agree, this Athlete probably has no shot at playing for LW next year and as the coach for that HS I wouldn’t take the chance on her and her father. No way.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I would highly recommend finding another school with open enrollment Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the self-entitlement of some people and society as a whole.

 

[Passion4theGame]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I would highly recommend finding another school with open enrollment Sometimes you just have to shake your head at the self-entitlement of some people and society as a whole.

But Shawn they won a $12 Ring so to them it was worth it.... Lol

 

[Stedman00]

actually, i don't even know if they won the event to be honest.

 

[Passion4theGame]

actually, i don't even know if they won the 1 day event to be honest.

That's even better!!

 

[Milly Ways]

Our AD addresses this topic in the spring sports meeting every year and we still had a girl go play for this same travel ball team. Very selfish!

 

[CARDS]

OHSAA a few years back changed or made clear the difference between a no contest and a forfeit. If you look at this game in question (and about a dozen others over the past 2 years) schools are all over the place with recording and reporting official stats.

This situation brings into play a few other areas that need to be addressed by OHSAA.

Many teams still score a forfeit 7-0 but others use the to 1-0 score by rule. Some schools declare forfeits tat should be no contest especally in the SWOC with Northwest and Mt. Healthy.
OHSAA states there is no forfeit if the contest cannot be started or is not played then the game is ruled a no contest.

A forfeit can happen during play or after the contest has been played if rule violations are found. (Good PPT at the bottom)

If a team cannot take the field during a contest prior to any run rule a forfeit would be declared and IMO the score should be 1-0 .
I have seen some score NO stats with a forfeit while others keep all the game stats. I would think if a contest was played with an illegal player all game stats would be void.

It stinks but if a team travels to a school to find out they do not have enough players or, a team cancels the day of or, a few days before the game is just a no contest. That should be a forfeit IMO so other schools can see the potential for contest not being played.

We need Bret man to discuss how umpires get paid in no contest. In an official forfeit where the game is started they get paid but not sure about the no contest where everyone shows up or the contest is canceled last minute.

https://www.nchsaa.org/sites/default/files/attachments/2020-2021Pre-GameandPost-Game.pdf

 

[Stedman00]

in a continuation on this forfeited games thread, Mercy McAuley was just forced to forfeit numerous games this spring. Due to ......surprise a selfish 9th grader playing with a 14u travel team during school season.

The depths of this selfishness boggle my mind. To play on a thrown together local team , some with fake names, in search for a what???, and risk everything for your HS team? ridiculous at best.

Said player appeared in 11 games, depending on exactly when she became ineligible due to playing with travel team, will determine number of losses McAuley has now acquired. and with 25 at bats and 1 hit it wasn't like she was setting world on fire.