I know of a 2013 that got a multi-year to a B1G school and posts on other boards indicate they're not rare/unusual. Some major conferences and schools announced last year they are instituting them across the board.
KENT STATE Coach Linder resigns
- Thread starter geowardjr
- Start date
PLAYBALL
New Member
Coach Linder is a class act. Wish her all the best! She knows what she is talking about. The "trophies for everyone" and the trophy chasers are killing softball and America's greatest past time. Any organization which claims to be better than the talent that some of these next generation kids bring to the table is Money or popularity driven. The cream of the crop will do fine with or without what some might consider the best organizations around.
The Liberal Lion
New Member
Good Luck to Coach L in any of her future endeavors!
And Mr Wolff you were correct and are to be commended for your comments in reference to who you and your organization choose to offer positions to, attitudes of players and or their parents certainly should be taken into consideration by coaches regardless of talent.
And Mr Wolff you were correct and are to be commended for your comments in reference to who you and your organization choose to offer positions to, attitudes of players and or their parents certainly should be taken into consideration by coaches regardless of talent.
mogsoftball
Member
- Joined
- Jun 16, 2014
- Messages
- 137
- Reaction score
- 0
- Points
- 16
I think the multi year is being pushed in the B1G now across all sports.
PLAYBALL
New Member
Now comes the 12u Ice Orange Asst. Coach Mike to state what he and LineDrive21 can't seem to let go. That same attitude you speak of also refers to coaches who call out young girls like you. Go delete some more messages and create more usernames on OFC Asst. Coach Mike from Aurora not Dublin. By the way No one bashes the Ice organization they simply don't like you. This thread is about a GREAT coach something you apparently are not.
Last edited by a moderator:
longball00
Member
Oh boy This may get really interesting!
Longtoss1
New Member
Fasten you seat belts everyone sounds like this one is about to get ugly.
coachjwb
Well-Known Member
Somehow I missed how this thread on Coach Linder turned into a bashing of a travel coach??
Pacerdad57
Member
i was thinking the same thing and trying to figure out exactly where it went south and i'm still not sure.......
WWolff
"Suck A Little Less Today"
Unfortunately this kind of stuff happens all the time on this site.
coachjwb
Well-Known Member
Lol ... oh I know ... I have been on here for 12 years ... usually I see a connection, but this one lost me ...
The connection isn't hard to see. The NCAA created the market with their rules. Travel teams capitalize on the market which ends up attracting the type of families and players who naturally have a sense of entitlement. The college coaches recruit from the poisoned pool and end up recruiting their own nightmares. Then they resign or more often get fired and the process repeats.
So critics can attack four possible targets. The NCAA, the travel teams, entitled players parents or college coaches. Personally I think the least culpable party is the travel team.
So critics can attack four possible targets. The NCAA, the travel teams, entitled players parents or college coaches. Personally I think the least culpable party is the travel team.
Last edited:
FastBat
Well-Known Member
WalkOffHR...I disagree, I think the best people, are people in the softball community. The majority don't have an entitlement attitude, at all.
I'm not sure, but I believe, they are referencing, assistant coaches who call out young girls; that is considered an undesirable behavior from an assistant coach. It's related, just feel bad a lesser coach was mentioned in Coach Linder's post.
I'm not sure, but I believe, they are referencing, assistant coaches who call out young girls; that is considered an undesirable behavior from an assistant coach. It's related, just feel bad a lesser coach was mentioned in Coach Linder's post.
Jen...I guess I could have said SOME travel teams, but then that starts a whole debate and as I say in my post...travel teams are NOT the root cause. They are only a response to the market.
From the article:
"When I first started coaching kids wanted to play, and they looked at you as a leader. If you told kids to do something, they would do it because they trusted that it was going to help them get better," said Linder. "Now when you tell a kid to do something, some of them need three reasons why they need to do it this way. It's a world of entitlement, and I've struggled with that."
Later in the article she says this about recruiting:
Right now everybody's in a hurry to get the next superstar, and we're offering kids scholarships when they're eighth and ninth graders, which I strongly disagree with," said Linder. "But you're put in a situation where if you don't get involved in the recruiting process with that kid when she's a freshman, you're not going to get her. I don't believe in that, and it's extremely frustrating to me."
Remember, we aren't talking about the entire softball community. She is talking about the 3-5 recruits a year (I assume recent years) that ends up causing headaches. The system is broke. Coaches can't fix it alone. Travel teams at the highest levels are NOT the proble as some would argue. Parents who raise brats won't be changed...only the rules on verbals can have a true impact.
From the article:
"When I first started coaching kids wanted to play, and they looked at you as a leader. If you told kids to do something, they would do it because they trusted that it was going to help them get better," said Linder. "Now when you tell a kid to do something, some of them need three reasons why they need to do it this way. It's a world of entitlement, and I've struggled with that."
Later in the article she says this about recruiting:
Right now everybody's in a hurry to get the next superstar, and we're offering kids scholarships when they're eighth and ninth graders, which I strongly disagree with," said Linder. "But you're put in a situation where if you don't get involved in the recruiting process with that kid when she's a freshman, you're not going to get her. I don't believe in that, and it's extremely frustrating to me."
Remember, we aren't talking about the entire softball community. She is talking about the 3-5 recruits a year (I assume recent years) that ends up causing headaches. The system is broke. Coaches can't fix it alone. Travel teams at the highest levels are NOT the proble as some would argue. Parents who raise brats won't be changed...only the rules on verbals can have a true impact.
Last edited:
Travel teams capitalizing... types of families... sense of entitlement... poisoned pool... nightmares... coaches fired... what's next!??
Where is all this anger and hyperbole coming from???
Elvis and the miniskirt didn't bring down western civilization, and I don't think the college recruiting system will either.
Yes, it's a new world and rules have changed and will continue to change just as they always have. Karen ran her program to HER personal standards and for NUMEROUS reasons it became harder to run it the way SHE was comfortable... that was HER choice to leave on her own terms! She should be given all the respect she deserves for a job well done. But that's not to say others out there are not continuing to do a fantastic job of winning games and building character in scores of young women who enter the system each year.
Saying the system is "broke" is quite an over generalization and likely coming from individuals with a great deal of separation from actual college recruiting.
I'm glad to hear the NCAA is pushing multi year NLIs more aggressively then they were just 3-4 years ago... that MIGHT be good for the kids!... but to imply this (or any change of the "rules on verbals") is somehow going to save the NCAA from a new generation of super-brats is just nonesense. If anything it just might help those few kids with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement that you speak of slack even more... what's the reason to get better when the scholarship is guaranteed for the next 4 years? Maybe the NCAA will start instituting 4-yr guaranteed starting positions to some kids when they sign their NLI. Maybe not so great once you think it all the way through... time will tell.
When I turn on the TV to watch the softball world series, all I know is I see a higher and higher level of softball each year as compared to the previous. There are thousands at the college level benefiting from all that this game has to offer. For those who can only see poison, entitlement, and negativity in the game, then maybe it is time to take a year or two off and regroup... work with a psychologist... self reflect. We aren't dealing with nuclear geopolitics here. It is still a very, very positive and life changing sport for many players and their families who simply take it all for what it is... A GAME!
Linedrive21
New Member
Saying the system is "broke" is quite an over generalization and likely coming from individuals with a great deal of separation from actual college recruiting.
In 2010, Texas coach Connie Clark predicted what would happen in college softball if the rash of early oral commitments continued.
“It’s going to get crazier before it gets much better if the NCAA does not step in,” Clark said.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/hi...led-by-commitments-coming-at-younger-ages.ece
I have spoken to many college coaches about the subject, and they all seem to say the same thing: “We don’t like it at all, we wish it would change, but if everyone is doing it, then we have to do it to stay competitive.”
http://www.flosoftball.com/article/35142-the-state-of-softball-how-i-see-it
“It’s gotten crazy,” said Bill Conroy, who has coached travel-softball teams for 15 years. “I’m having kids take the ACT when they’re in eighth grade.”
Conroy is the director of the Chicago-based Beverly Bandits, a Premier Girls Fastpitch traveling program. Rice is in her second summer playing for one of the Bandits’ 14U teams.
Conroy is not alone in his distaste for early recruiting. But like others involved in the process, he believes there’s little he can do to reverse the trend because of the potential consequences of standing against it.
“Most coaches, I don’t care if they’re club coaches or collegiate coaches, they would all like to dial it back a bit,” said Rhonda Revelle, Nebraska’s softball coach and president of the National Fastpich Coaches Association. “But on the flip side, the competitive nature of the beast, unless we’re all dialing it back, they don’t want to fall behind, either. It’s this real catch-22.”
Aradi said the pressure to win that coaches at high-caliber Division I programs face is probably a big impetus for early recruiting.
“The whole system is kind of off-kilter,” she said. “Kids are being pushed to make decisions early without maybe being mature enough to do so. Parents are seeing the prospect of having it all locked down and potentially money, so they say, ‘Let’s do this.’ And the coach is feeling like, ‘If I don’t get this kid as a ninth-grader or a 10th-grader who is a 6-foot-tall pitcher, someone else is going to get her.’”
Travel programs have adapted. Conroy’s program began with only 18U and 16U teams. The Bandits now include 14U and 12U teams. They play games coast to coast. Conroy said he has players who have not decided where they will attend high school but have received college scholarship offers. Conroy often helps facilitate the recruiting talks.
“As long as they’re out there offering, I’ve got to fight for my kids,” Conroy said. “I have a stance, and I feel like I’m a hypocrite, but that money is going out to somebody. I have to fight for it to go to a deserving kid in my own program.”
Conroy, Earleywine and Revelle contend that the only way to pump the brakes on recruiting would be if the NCAA amended its bylaws.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/spor...cle_4283eaaa-fa86-5cda-b1b3-fc716c3e1f4a.html
In 2010, Texas coach Connie Clark predicted what would happen in college softball if the rash of early oral commitments continued.
“It’s going to get crazier before it gets much better if the NCAA does not step in,” Clark said.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/hi...led-by-commitments-coming-at-younger-ages.ece
I have spoken to many college coaches about the subject, and they all seem to say the same thing: “We don’t like it at all, we wish it would change, but if everyone is doing it, then we have to do it to stay competitive.”
http://www.flosoftball.com/article/35142-the-state-of-softball-how-i-see-it
“It’s gotten crazy,” said Bill Conroy, who has coached travel-softball teams for 15 years. “I’m having kids take the ACT when they’re in eighth grade.”
Conroy is the director of the Chicago-based Beverly Bandits, a Premier Girls Fastpitch traveling program. Rice is in her second summer playing for one of the Bandits’ 14U teams.
Conroy is not alone in his distaste for early recruiting. But like others involved in the process, he believes there’s little he can do to reverse the trend because of the potential consequences of standing against it.
“Most coaches, I don’t care if they’re club coaches or collegiate coaches, they would all like to dial it back a bit,” said Rhonda Revelle, Nebraska’s softball coach and president of the National Fastpich Coaches Association. “But on the flip side, the competitive nature of the beast, unless we’re all dialing it back, they don’t want to fall behind, either. It’s this real catch-22.”
Aradi said the pressure to win that coaches at high-caliber Division I programs face is probably a big impetus for early recruiting.
“The whole system is kind of off-kilter,” she said. “Kids are being pushed to make decisions early without maybe being mature enough to do so. Parents are seeing the prospect of having it all locked down and potentially money, so they say, ‘Let’s do this.’ And the coach is feeling like, ‘If I don’t get this kid as a ninth-grader or a 10th-grader who is a 6-foot-tall pitcher, someone else is going to get her.’”
Travel programs have adapted. Conroy’s program began with only 18U and 16U teams. The Bandits now include 14U and 12U teams. They play games coast to coast. Conroy said he has players who have not decided where they will attend high school but have received college scholarship offers. Conroy often helps facilitate the recruiting talks.
“As long as they’re out there offering, I’ve got to fight for my kids,” Conroy said. “I have a stance, and I feel like I’m a hypocrite, but that money is going out to somebody. I have to fight for it to go to a deserving kid in my own program.”
Conroy, Earleywine and Revelle contend that the only way to pump the brakes on recruiting would be if the NCAA amended its bylaws.
http://www.columbiatribune.com/spor...cle_4283eaaa-fa86-5cda-b1b3-fc716c3e1f4a.html
Last edited:
I know if hind-sight is 20/20, I wonder if Coach Revelle ever regrets starting this. It's one of those catch 22's I believe. She wouldn't have gotten to where she was if she hadn't, and I don't think she envisioned it would evolve into the monster it has become today. I think I'm saying it correctly.
