OHSAA 2010/2011 changes

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Its a sad day when big brother can tell you what your kid can and cant do and with whom.
When its all said and done it comes down to money.They could give a rats butt about the kids.
Ohio is far behind other states in most sports.We need a new system (like that will ever happen) to get ohio where it needs to be competitive with other states.

jmho

 

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I had a rules quesion. I had two friends in other districts who coach high school request an interpretaton. That was over 5 weeks ago. One coach made the reqest on multiple occassions. Another verbally spoke with an official who said to email and they would get back to the coach. To this date NO REPLY from OHSAA. Makes it kinda tough.

Good luck...that is very typical...but the problem is, if the responding OHSAA rep doesn't know the rules like the one involved with the MVHS golfer, their advice is worthless....WORTHLESS!!!!

 

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Yes, getting a response in writing from OHSAA is rare.

 

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Has anyone looked at the changes, especially 4.1, regarding not being allowed to "practice" outside your high school team. I have had one person interpret this that a high school student who is playing with their high school team, that they cannot go to hitting coaches, pitching coaches, etc., during the high school season.

does anyone else interpret it that way?

Can anyone post the rule or a link to where it is?

 

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You'd have to get into Federal Courts and not the Ohio Supreme Court. Ever watch our Supreme Court in action on PBS.

This is the same Supreme Court that allows police to give you a speeding ticket based on they can judge if you are speeding by sight. No radar required !!!

It was a Barberton case and an absolute joke in my opinion.

But, when you got two justices that have been pulled over and convicted for DUI.. what can you figure about their logic or thinking. I laughed at the one who was shown on police camera telling the officer' " Do you know who I am ?":lmao:

And.... even if they do rule the right way what is to make the OHSAA follow it?

Remember the DeRolph ruling over 20-years ago stating that the way we fund education in Ohio is unconstitutional.... the state representatives have ignored it and just made it even more of a mess.

Our state supreme court is a paper lion!

 

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Can anyone post the rule or a link to where it is?

Anyone have the actual wording or location?

 

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alittledifferent: 4.3) Participating in Non-Interscholastic Programs - Team Sports - A member of an interscholastic squad sponsored by the Board of Education or other governing board in a team sport (Baseball, Basketball, Field Hockey, Football, Ice Hockey, ******, Softball and Volleyball) shall not participate in an athletic contest, tryouts or any type of training or practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport in the same sport during the school's interscholastic sports season.

 

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Something else that I haven't seen anyone posting as of yet. How is this STUPID rule going to affect the already hurt Ohio economy when you have pitching and hitting instructors trying to make a living?

Also, someone mentioned earlier about their dd's technique, bad habits forming, etc., so we keep those bad habits up during school ball, possibly getting that player injured because she didn't get the proper instruction to correct the issue. I may be wrong, but maybe OHSAA is trying to get school ball more like rec ball, just for fun--heck with competition....;&

 

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Sorry to state the reg but, it looks to me that the General Sports Regulation allows for Instructional Programs (definition is not precise)....I think the key words is TRAINING when it comes to the General Sports Regulation 4.3...Also Softball specific regulation 4.1 leaves out the word TRAINING.....

I believe Instructional opportunties are ok but, when you are doing it as a team in the same sport in that season, then you are in trouble.....


2010-11 OHSAA Softball Sport Regulations

4.1) A member of an interscholastic softball squad (any student who has played in a scrimmage, preview or regular season/tournament game as a substitute or starter) sponsored by the Board of Education or other governing board shall not participate in a non-interscholastic program (tryouts, practice or contest) as an individual or as a member of a team in the sport of softball during the school?s season (Sports Regulation 4.3).

2010-11 OHSAA General Sports Regulations

4.3) Participating in Non-Interscholastic Programs ? Team Sports ? A member of an interscholastic squad sponsored by the Board of Education or other governing board in a team sport (Baseball, Basketball, Field Hockey, Football, Ice Hockey, ******, Softball and Volleyball) shall not participate in an athletic contest, tryouts or any type of training or practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport in the same sport during the school?s interscholastic sports season.

5. Instructional Programs (Examples include but are not limited to camps, clinics, workshops, practices, etc.)

5.3) Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in individual or group lessons. The coach may not conduct individual or group lessons for a squad member except during June 1-July 31 and during the season of the sport.

5.9) It is not necessary for instructional programs to be registered, sanctioned or approved by the OHSAA, but schools are responsible for enforcing the regulations.

 

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Sorry to state the reg but, it looks to me that the General Sports Regulation allows for Instructional Programs (definition is not precise)....I think the key words is TRAINING when it comes to the General Sports Regulation 4.3...Also Softball specific regulation 4.1 leaves out the word TRAINING.....

I believe Instructional opportunties are ok but, when you are doing it as a team in the same sport in that season, then you are in trouble.....


2010-11 OHSAA Softball Sport Regulations

4.1) A member of an interscholastic softball squad (any student who has played in a scrimmage, preview or regular season/tournament game as a substitute or starter) sponsored by the Board of Education or other governing board shall not participate in a non-interscholastic program (tryouts, practice or contest) as an individual or as a member of a team in the sport of softball during the school?s season (Sports Regulation 4.3).

2010-11 OHSAA General Sports Regulations

4.3) Participating in Non-Interscholastic Programs ? Team Sports ? A member of an interscholastic squad sponsored by the Board of Education or other governing board in a team sport (Baseball, Basketball, Field Hockey, Football, Ice Hockey, ******, Softball and Volleyball) shall not participate in an athletic contest, tryouts or any type of training or practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport in the same sport during the school?s interscholastic sports season.

5. Instructional Programs (Examples include but are not limited to camps, clinics, workshops, practices, etc.)

5.3) Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in individual or group lessons. The coach may not conduct individual or group lessons for a squad member except during June 1-July 31 and during the season of the sport.

5.9) It is not necessary for instructional programs to be registered, sanctioned or approved by the OHSAA, but schools are responsible for enforcing the regulations.

Agreed. This is nothing new that I can tell. You can still have individual, private lessons they just can not be part of an organizations scheduled practices.

 

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alittledifferent and dburbrink: I totally agree with you. I read it like you did, however, the beginning of this month, our school had their monthly softball booster meeting and it was stated and I questioned it because what I had read in an earlier thread about this very same topic (Joe Abraham--being a college coach and Cgs --being an attorney had commented on it), we were told at the meeting that you CANNOT HAVE PRIVATE INSTRUCTION WHILE YOU'RE IN SEASON WITH SCHOOL SOFTBALL. I have read this over and over and am getting a headache over it, mainly because how it is written. So if any one out there gets an answer from OHSAA before I do, please post it. I even went as far as to print that thread off for one of my dd instructors to read because I would think this rule, if it's true what the school told us, would hurt our instructor during that time frame due to her just moving into a new facility that has dirt for the pitcher and the catcher to take their lesson on.

 

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This topic is discussed every year! I would suggest to anyone who questions the interpretation to contact their school athletic director for proper understanding of the rules/regulations. Once the rule is explained/understood by the A.D. it can then be communicated properly to the school coaching staff and in return explained to the parent/player.

5.3) Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in
individual or group lessons. The coach may not conduct individual or group lessons for a
squad member except during June 1-July 31 and during the season of the sport.

Here is food for thought: If you are an instructor and parent; Could/Would OSHAA also prevent you from giving private instruction to your child? I think not!

QUOTE=softballheart;312374]alittledifferent and dburbrink: I totally agree with you. I read it like you did, however, the beginning of this month, our school had their monthly softball booster meeting and it was stated and I questioned it because what I had read in an earlier thread about this very same topic (Joe Abraham--being a college coach and Cgs --being an attorney had commented on it), we were told at the meeting that you CANNOT HAVE PRIVATE INSTRUCTION WHILE YOU'RE IN SEASON WITH SCHOOL SOFTBALL. I have read this over and over and am getting a headache over it, mainly because how it is written. So if any one out there gets an answer from OHSAA before I do, please post it. I even went as far as to print that thread off for one of my dd instructors to read because I would think this rule, if it's true what the school told us, would hurt our instructor during that time frame due to her just moving into a new facility that has dirt for the pitcher and the catcher to take their lesson on.[/QUOTE]

 

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I can see it in the future kids will opt not to play school ball.And who can blame them?
In travel ball they get better coaching and better competition .I believe they will get better exposier to collages as well.
Its almost the same as the difference between rec ball and travel ball.
You can tell the kids that play travel ball at most school games.They stand out like a sore thumb.(as well they should with the hours they put in )
ohsaa is so far behind what other states are doing with there softball program is not even funny.Dont believe me go to Fla. for a world series (at the older level)your travel team from ohio will get beat by a school team from texas or fla. where they play all the time.Year round.9 out of 10 times.
And thats a shame.True but a shame

 

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5.3) Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in
individual or group lessons. The coach may not conduct individual or group lessons for a
squad member except during June 1-July 31 and during the season of the sport.

I think this is the key. You can have private instruction but not with your travel/club team.

 

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Glen,

I hope you are right.

Why does the OHSAA make it so confusing for everyone. It seems these two articles contradict one another.

I guess its just another way to keep all the lawyers (no offense) employed.

 

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They do contradict each other, I think it makes a good case though.

 

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5.3) Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in
individual or group lessons. The coach may not conduct individual or group lessons for a
squad member except during June 1-July 31 and during the season of the sport.
I think this is the key. You can have private instruction but not with your travel/club team.

I think this is referring to the school ball squad members, not travel/club. So you could take lessons with travel teammates, but not school ball teammates...do you agree?

I would hate for mine to miss her senior year of school ball, but if she does not get a school interested in her before, she needs to be getting ready to perform at her highest level possible come June....

 

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I think you can read it either way. I always tell kids to never do anything in groups of more than 4 from the same Travel team during the school season.

 

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I have read the following phrase over several times and I agree with the last 2 posters and guess I don't get the issue:

"" ... shall not participate in an athletic contest, tryouts or any type of training or practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport ... "

Individual lessons are not:
1) an athletic contest
2) a tryout
3) training/practice on a squad
4) training/practice in a team sport

Sounds like much ado about nothing. Yes, OHSAA rules are confusing and some are just outright stupid, but I don't see how/why people are interpreting this phrase to mean that girls can't have lessons during the high school season ...

 

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This was confirmed by our AD today (I had emailed him with these concerns). No problems with getting individual instruction/lessons.

I have read the following phrase over several times and I agree with the last 2 posters and guess I don't get the issue:

"" ... shall not participate in an athletic contest, tryouts or any type of training or practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport ... "

Individual lessons are not:
1) an athletic contest
2) a tryout
3) training/practice on a squad
4) training/practice in a team sport

Sounds like much ado about nothing. Yes, OHSAA rules are confusing and some are just outright stupid, but I don't see how/why people are interpreting this phrase to mean that girls can't have lessons during the high school season ...