OHSAA 2010/2011 changes

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I have read the following phrase over several times and I agree with the last 2 posters and guess I don't get the issue:

"" ... shall not participate in an athletic contest, tryouts or any type of training or practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport ... "

Individual lessons are not:
1) an athletic contest
2) a tryout
3) training/practice on a squad
4) training/practice in a team sport

Sounds like much ado about nothing. Yes, OHSAA rules are confusing and some are just outright stupid, but I don't see how/why people are interpreting this phrase to mean that girls can't have lessons during the high school season ...

Here you go:
The sports regulation which controls in this matter is found in Gen. Sports Regulation 4.3 (as well as VB regulation 4.1) and reads as follows:
4.3) Participating in Non-Interscholastic Programs – Team Sports – A member of an interscholastic squad sponsored by the Board of
Education or other governing board in a team sport (Baseball, Basketball, Field Hockey, Football, Ice Hockey, ******, Softball and Volleyball)
shall not participate in an athletic contest, tryouts or any type of training or practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in
a team sport in the same sport during the school’s interscholastic sports season.
The goal here is to insure that we protect the interscholastic volleyball season. We would never want to promote any activity that could cause a
student to lose eligibility or become injured. We also need to insure that our interscholastic volleyball coaches have full control over their
programs and are not subject to requests for training outside the school environment that may not be in the best interest of the student or of the
program in general. The volleyball season is relatively short – just eight weeks from the beginning of regular season competition through the
state tournaments. Students have plenty of time for private instruction and other types of training once the season has concluded. Your
assistance in conveying this message to parents and other interested parties is greatly appreciated.



The question came up because of a ruling that was posted during volleyball

 

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I copy and pasted the quote from the OHSAA volleyball webiste.

 

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Why can't OHSAA just come out and tell us instead of promoting all this speculation?! I know they have been contacted several times regarding this with no response at all?!?!?

 

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Lasers ... thanks for re-posting that ... I had not seen that. That response is a bit confusing and concerning for sure, but also to me not consistent with the regulation. While of course a student could get injured during training, or go to a trainer who doesn't follow the rules (e.g., has scrimmages or something), there is clearly nothing within the regulation itself that would disallow an individual going for a pitching or hitting lesson.

 

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I just wish we could get enough interest to start travelball in april again and forget completely about HS Sports. As a matter of fact it is already starting to happen in S o c c e r.

 

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I just wish we could get enough interest to start travelball in april again and forget completely about HS Sports. As a matter of fact it is already starting to happen in S o c c e r.

Sokker has the option to allow you to play for your academy all the way through now and skip playing at the high school level. Not popular with the school coaches but offers an option for those that seek to play at a higher level and possibly a national level.

 

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I just wish we could get enough interest to start travelball in april again and forget completely about HS Sports. As a matter of fact it is already starting to happen in S o c c e r.

You and I both;&

 

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I wonder what the possibilities of sueing OHSAA, lets say for hindering their development, hindering their ability to get that D-1 scholarship, in effect hindering their future possibilities of a better education.

Bring on the travel ball in spring and let OHSAA have their rec-ball eerrr! I mean HSball!

Can you figure out what OHSAA stands for in reverse, yeah thats right a double A-hole!

 

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I wonder what the possibilities of sueing OHSAA, lets say for hindering their development, hindering their ability to get that D-1 scholarship, in effect hindering their future possibilities of a better education.

Contact an attorney and ask about a class action suit.... I am sure there are plenty of TB parents/players who would opt in.

 

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They have since backed down on the individual instruction as long as it is not against your team or school rules. I am sure somewhere a coach will try to tell them it is against his/her rules.

 

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Below is what was written on another thread pertaining to the same subject, thread is called "Clearing up new OHSAA ruling":

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Default Clearing up new OHSAA ruling
Dear Coaches,

I just got off the phone with Roxanne Price at the Ohsaa and she notified me that there was a directive that went out to volleyball coaches in the fall regarding working on volleyball skills during their season and that it was in violation of Ohsaa regulations. This, as it seems, is due to the fact it is not possible for volleyball athletes to do this outside of team functions so it was deemed in violation.

With Softball in general and pitching/catching/hitting in specifics, this is ruled as okay because this is individual skills.

Bottom line, it will be okay for our athletes to go to private instructors during the season to work on these skills.

Tell your AD?s to look for an E-Blast that is supposed to be coming out by the end of this week.

Please wait to email me back with any questions until I have had a chance to peruse the E-Blast.

I appreciate your patience and I will get anything I hear back to you as soon as I get it.

Kevin

I just received this email from our central district rep.. Hope this clears up alot of the recent confusion.

 

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I wasn't sure if this section of the revised OHSAA regs had been posted or mentioned in the previous posts. If it has sorry for the redundancy.

October 28, 2010

OHSAA Board Approves Changes to Sports Regulations 4.3 & 5.3

Based on the conflicting language that existed regarding two sports regulations, the OHSAA Board of Directors at its Oct. 21, 2010, meeting approved modifications to General Sports Regulations 4.3 and 5.3. The approved changes are below and become effective immediately. We apologize for any confusion this has caused.

OHSAA General Sports Regulation 4.3 — Participating in Non-Interscholastic Team Sports During the Interscholastic Sports Season

A member of an interscholastic squad in a team sport (baseball, basketball, field hockey, football, ice hockey, ******, softball and volleyball) sponsored by the Board of Education or other governing board shall not participate in an athletic contest, tryouts or any type of team or group training or practices on or with a non-interscholastic squad in a team sport in the same sport during the school’s interscholastic season.

OHSAA General Sports Regulation 5.3 — Individual Instruction

Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in individual lessons provided that these individual skill instructions do not violate any Board of Education, school administrators’ or coaches’ policies. Notwithstanding the foregoing provision, the coach may not conduct individual or group lessons for a squad member except during June 1 to July 31 and during the season of the sport.

 

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OHSAA General Sports Regulation 5.3 — Individual Instruction

Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in individual lessons provided that these individual skill instructions do not violate any Board of Education, school administrators’ or coaches’ policies. Notwithstanding the foregoing provision, the coach may not conduct individual or group lessons for a squad member except during June 1 to July 31 and during the season of the sport.

This still says "SQUAD MEMBER" this does not say someone you are paying to instruct/give lessons to you DD.

The only way I see around this is to have the team's catcher relaying the info from the instructor to the pitcher..........or would this be then considered giving lessons to the catcher????

 

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It means any squad memeber can receive instruction.

 

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By another squad member.......


Individual skill instruction may be received in any sport by a squad member at any time in individual lessons

 

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As eagleone tried to point out, you are reading it wrong...

 

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The state needs to quit writting stero instructions

 

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"Keep the masses confused ... and we retain our job" syndrome.

State regulated, forever known, trademark of OHSAA.