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I have 100% confidence that the organization leaders know about it and will take care of it. Reputations are a valuable thing. The organization is full of good people.

Bluedevildad, 1st Congrats and good luck to your Bluedevils and to your DD, we are pulling you 2nd as an ump if your were told before the game about this then it happened what would have Your response have been. Believe me I know the umps in a tough position, I'm more just curious .

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Thank you and hopefully we can win 2 more games. I hope we do not only for us but for NWO.

As for the question... If your coach told me the situation and the fact that you moved your leadoff to the 2 hole and the pitcher looked to have good control. I may have warned the coach before the game. I am thinking off the cuff and am not consulting the rule book but I would say something like this.....

" Coach I have been informed that there has been some comment made that your team intends to purposfully hit a player on the other team. If I feel it was done intentionally I will immediatley throw you and your pitcher out of the game. Consider it a warning."

This way the coach is thinking now and may not take that chance.

 

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BUSH LEAGUE and that type of garbage WILL get a visit from da' boyz....

saw a similar thing happen this weekend in a championship game with a foul ball returned to field from opposing dugout to pitcher.

 

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Thank you and hopefully we can win 2 more games. I hope we do not only for us but for NWO.

As for the question... If your coach told me the situation and the fact that you moved your leadoff to the 2 hole and the pitcher looked to have good control. I may have warned the coach before the game. I am thinking off the cuff and am not consulting the rule book but I would say something like this.....

" Coach I have been informed that there has been some comment made that your team intends to purposfully hit a player on the other team. If I feel it was done intentionally I will immediatley throw you and your pitcher out of the game. Consider it a warning."

This way the coach is thinking now and may not take that chance.

If an ump comes to me with that before the game, I demand and have every right to know where he heard it from. I will then tell the ump that I heard the other team is planning to hit my #3 hitter. I will then ask whether we are going into this game being treated equally by the umpires, or whether my team will enter the game at a disadvantage. Will the other team be given a free HBP, and me and my pitcher both be tossed on our first HBP? I will ask the ump to consider whether the other team is trying to get into his head before the game even starts and whether he is going to allow them to do that at our expense?

As you can see, there are some perils of going to the coach with this type of warning. It had better be done equally or else you're giving one team a ripe opportunity to complain about lack of objectivity.

 

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Amazing how a bunch of adults can ruin a kids game. Why not let the kids or young ladies go out and play the other team straight up.
No stealing of signs and save the "thats part of the game" no its not, you choose to make it part of the game. Little story to prove I don't make it part of my dd's games. Coaching first this Sunday, the other teams first and second are talking about a missed sign in their at bat. They finally look up and notice me and realize their mistake. I looked at them and told them what we all should say and that is "I don't look at your signs and I never will, if we can't beat you fair and square then we deserve to lose".
The hitting of another teams player is just beyond sorry. I don't think anyone of us wants our dd thrown at, so why in the world would we throw at someone else's.
I challenge every coach to just let our dd's go out and play the game. No stealing of signs, hitting of other teams players, ripping of other teams players and coaches. Sorry for the rant, have just read to many post like this one and finally had to say my peace, back to lurking.

 

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I'd take the lineup card out to the umpire and demand to meet the opposing coach who supposedly ordered the beaning, just to shake hands and get acquainted.

I'd borrow a colleague's Pagan's jacket to wear while doing it. 'Sup coach, how you doin?

No place in 10U, high school, travel, college, or Team USA for that.

 

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I would like to know if that pitcher had done this in other games over the weekend.
She must have played in at least 5 or 6 games and probably pitched in at least 3 or 4 with that kaind of control.
If she did then I think the team must be outed as the t-ment season has just begun.
If not was this just targetting your team?? just curious

 

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saw a similar thing happen this weekend in a championship game with a foul ball returned to field from opposing dugout to pitcher.

Was it a young lady or Coach who made the throw?? either way not good- just curious

 

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If an ump comes to me with that before the game, I demand and have every right to know where he heard it from. I will then tell the ump that I heard the other team is planning to hit my #3 hitter. I will then ask whether we are going into this game being treated equally by the umpires, or whether my team will enter the game at a disadvantage. Will the other team be given a free HBP, and me and my pitcher both be tossed on our first HBP? I will ask the ump to consider whether the other team is trying to get into his head before the game even starts and whether he is going to allow them to do that at our expense?

As you can see, there are some perils of going to the coach with this type of warning. It had better be done equally or else you're giving one team a ripe opportunity to complain about lack of objectivity.

I agree with everything you said. My intent would be to look for the one pirticular batter that was mentioned being thrown at. If it was HS or older travel I would not take that route however at 10u? I have a big problem with it.

It is a tough situation to put the umpire in. Where do we draw the line to protect the children playing and not jump to conclusions also.

 

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Intentional plunking is one of the most hideous practices in FP softrball. I can only hope that the parents of this pitcher can see the writing on the wall. Sooner or later they are going to play the wrong team and then the parents will rue the day they threw their lot with this coach. Trust me on this.... I have been around too long to say differently.

If someone knows the email address or OFC handle of the parent of this pitcher... send them this post. I will pass the warning on personally. I hope I am not too late.

 

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Im very interested in knowing whom this was. Our youngest dd played in this 10u tournament and saw all the teams. I have a wild guess from what I have heard about one coach there (from 3 other coaches) but of course that is just my speculation.
I was bouncing between my 10u and 14u dd`s games so I didnt get to see all their action. So I dont know if our leadoff got plunked or not.

This stuff was happening back a few years ago when our oldest played 10u ball. Sad as that is, you know when it is on purpose.

 

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Ok first I wont name the organization, so dont PM me or ask on here lol, not going to say. I have a lot of respect for the most of their coaches, the president etc. good group of people but I want to get peoples perspective on this...Umps perspective, coaches and parents.

We were in a tournament this weekend the week leading up to the tournament some of our parents heard rumors and relayed them back to our coach that first one of kids was going to be hit with the first pitch and that 2 the pitcher gets a helmet sticker for every leadoff batter she plunks to start a game. The pitcher throws very hard.

The kid they said they were going to hit by name is our leadoff hitter, sweet quiet kid, just a really good ball player. Doesnt say 2 words during a game lol. So our coach puts her at the #2 spot, the umps were given a heads up before the game by some higher ranking type people. Leadoff batter comes up, K'd 3 or 4 straight pitches on the black. Our #2 hitter comes up first pitch PLUNK! Ump walks over to us and says I'm sorry I cant prove anything, she might have just been working her inside.

Now either this is just a coincidence and a bunch of people both on their team and off their team were in on the ploy to intimadate or they planned on hitting one kid, and they did that.

Now here is the best part......IT'S 10U!!!! Not that I would find this acceptable at any age level except MAYBE in college, and I mean where a pitcher is given instructions by a coach or dad to hit 1 kid on purpose.

So either I am getting to old and soft to coach youth athletics or I'm still right and this is totally unacceptable. Your 35' away throwing close to 50 mph, I mean somebody could get really hurt right? Its still suppose to be fun?

Thoughts? Umps what would have you done? Coaches what would have done? I think I know the answer to this but....Parents what would have you done?

I think you should contact the organization's president and tell him just what you have told us. These matters can be handled better like this, I believe.

 

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Lakeerie- we have talked to the organizations director, and feel confident he'll take care of this, as I know he doesn't believe in this nonsense. This kid did it all spring league, and is apparently encouraged by parent. Sad state of affairs.

 

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Good to hear MagicSGS, good to hear that!
Again if my specualtion is right (will keep to myself of course) I personally know the director of their organization, and you are right about him. He will put a stop to it!

If I am wrong, hopefully he (which ever organization it is) will put an end to it. Shame some parents are that way.

 

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If it is really true that a parent is encouraging this behavior, then the parent and player need to be banned for a while. Easy enough to do, inform the sanctioning bodies that there is an intentional effort to injure, and no team that rosters her will get insured. A sad state of affairs, but when morals, common sense, and good sportsmanship don't work, send in the lawyers.

It's only a matter of time before one lunatic parent crosses paths with another, and suddenly the bat "slips" out of the batters hands and goes flying at the pitcher. It's hot, hands are sweaty, how can an umpire prove "intent"?

A player is going to be seriously hurt, or the two lunatic parents are going to go at it with Eastons or worse in the parking lot, all because of delusional youth-sports parents.

 

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Wow, never in 14 years, ever have I or anyone that I have coached with requested a pitcher to intentionally hit a player. It really concerns me when this type of mentality is being taught to players. If it's true SHAME ON THE COACH! Play the game by letting the girls play, not by manipulation of the rules or dropping morales to such a low . . .

 

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Feistymom ... I have seen it before ... my daughter's 16-U coach told a teammate of hers to do it in fall ball several years back because the other team was stealing his signs to the catcher. Was a consideration when we decided it was time to move to another team, especially since she is also a pitcher.

 

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wow, and i thought 16u was viscious! I think I'm going to give this thread a shout-out on the FB board

honorable mention for getting BDD out of the political forum!

 

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Between our games, I watched a 10U semi-final game and the pitcher hit a girl. Seemed like the batters were right up against the plate and the pitch was called for inside. Girl was throwing pretty hard as well. In these situations, batter will get hit. I haven't seen any intentional hits, hope I never do.

 

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Leadoff batter comes up, K'd 3 or 4 straight pitches on the black. Our #2 hitter comes up first pitch PLUNK!

Must be one HECK of an accurate pitcher for 10U!

 

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Sounds like it's the parent & child doing the dirty deed. Has to be the WIMPIEST coach in Ohio to not be able to stop it and control these two.