Klump, nobody said others are "blathering idiots". Nor was it implied. It just goes to show that you cannot give props to someone without someone else turning around and thinking its an insult to others. But based on what you said in your reply, you've never heard or seen Bill's presentation. He doesn't teach his "style" of pitching. The focus is put on the positions that pitchers MUST be in. There is a big difference between that and teaching someone a pitching "style". You're right, not everyone agrees. Yet everyone wants to be like Cat Osterman, Finch, Abbott, Ueno, etc. And all of these pitchers use the postions that pitchers MUST get into. And when you know the difference and know what youre looking for, you'll see there are major differences between what the best pitchers in the world do vs. the rest of the pack.