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Well, that is your opinion Mom and that you are allowed to have indeed. I bristle.. you say. I have been taking heat for trying to give this game back to the girls . The to have ED, the whiinner of all whinner, come on here and attack me in threads ( and not just this one) for doing good for the girls.

How do you feel it's right to be the judge of me and what I do for the girls. I don't see any other association on here answering question. I don't see any other associations on here for any reason. Did we see NSA on here when their tournaments were so terrible in 2007 or 2008.

It's my money to do what I please with it. I have a full time job. I have personal money. Hell, I was bitten by a tick that almost killed me and about lost my home for the 21 months it took me to recover to gain my strength back.

You, being from the PA area have been begging someone to come to Western PA to give NSA some competition. ASA has not come... they stay in the middle of the state. When I look for diamonds there... and people from the OFC have been helpful... because they want change in Western PA. But securing sites has been hard or so overpriced that it would be worth it as I don't have a list of teams to call in PA at my disposal. This is why you need a state director with knowledge and I am searching for them and have talked to a couple in the York area about coming over. But, until then... I can rent out facilities and wonder about the show up amount. But, I do continue to look and I think there is an undertow in that Western PA area with NSA wanting no one else in there. Look at all te people on the OFC that complained that the website in that area's owner has deleted posts that was critical of NSA events.
I do this. "I" is the word I use for "I" do this.

For someone to come on here and say they are more apt to go to tournaments ran by organization trying to make money for their organization... that is fine. But IFA events do the same thing. Have you ever heard of any state organization willing to give away their State events to organizations to help them raise money for their girls. NEVER. Not one. That state tournament is ran for the money in their pocket plain and simple.
They live on that money and the difference is... I don't. I give back and do my damnest to do so. Whether it's going to community businesses asking for rates for the parents to save them money in attending IFA events or better prizes ( and believe me I haven't seen better prizes anywhere near what we give away..... and I substize my TD's with moneies I could put in my pocket if I wished from bids on National events.

Being you don't seem to understand the NAFA or IFA deal... then learn about it. Learn that 3/4 of the Vice Presidents came over and started up IFA. So the sme thoughts by those ladies and gentleman that was with NAFA... still have those same thought going into this adventure with IFA.

We are new... we know that. But, what saddens me is how National events are watered down based on money. MONEY. So sad to even call it a National events. Regional Nationals are not National events. It's just one big tournament with anybody wanting to come can come with all the berths they give out and most are givenout free so a team can attend.

Let's look at classifications. Can anyone tell me what the difference between ASA "A" and ASA "B" is ? Last I saw, "B" is for rec teams and teams that do not have tryouts.
 
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Well, you pretty much ignored my point, which is fine, but please don't misrepresent what I said. I never said it was right to judge, and I said nothing about what you and IFA do. I only pointed out it's your delivery of the message that makes people question you. If you don't care, fine. Keep on keepin' on.

And I'm in PA, but I haven't been begging for anything - you're directing that to the wrong person, or lumping me in with a group merely because we live in the same state. I'm at the end of the travel line - I personally have no stake in what IFA, NAFA, NSA, ASA or anySA do at this point.
 
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Your right softball mom OQM makes all these statements and promises and when you question him he goes after you. Lets face it these complexes and organization can't run tournaments and promises. I get tired of all these I I I's he talks about. OQM remember WELL DONE IS ALWAYS BETTER THEN WELL SAID. Good luck to your IFA
 
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Tprovconc: You got some issues with me because you wanted me to not only have the 14u Nationals in Boardman, Ohio but to move it up a week. Just because you got that date in Boardman on the schedule because that is when Pony ran their event last year.


And because I couldn't..because all Nationals are on the same weekend and because all areas in the country is having last chance Qualifiers ending only a day before the National date you wanted me to move it to... you are going to come on here now and attack me?

I couldn't move the 14u Nationals a week up just to staisfy you. Or have both the 14u and 10u in Ohio at the same time. That is great for Ohio teams..sure it is... But, I have to think about the other states as well.

So, I guess now you are stuck with a dead week in Boardman and you want to come attack me... That's fine.

Yes, Mom I did ignore your point because you had no point to begin with. Ed comes in an attacks.. sure I'm going to defend myself. But, be better off informed when you speak of the NAFA versus IFA when you make your point. 3 VP's came from NAFA over and began IFA... and just like I was a cheerleader for nAFA when I was with them... I am a cheerleader with IFA as I believe in their theory about giving the game back to the girls and having a National event like USA/ASA where you have to win something to get there...instead of watching Regional National become nothing more than a regular tournament with some teams from the area states.

This is why we have a true national in IFA. "Don't have to be the biggest....just the best". That is our motto.

We'll ge there some day... we are new.... but we grow everyday. And that is what is so fun about it. There is others out there like me that is trying to give the game back to the girls.... and outr tournaments are ran by team organizations to help them with their team dollars. There is only one that doesn't. Mine in June in Goshen unless Fastpitch Blue wants it. He is more than welcome to rake in the money from the event for his girls. I'm not about money... I'm about change.... change that will benefit the girls and not my pocket.

Ricky is running his "last Chance qualifier -NIT" to raise money for the OFC, I am sure. He has said on numerous occasions that the Jamboree just don't pay all the bills of the OFC. Probally doesn't. This is why I gave him the IFA 10u National to help. I didn't have to.. but I surely did want to. I like helping.... that's me.

But, MS Ed (Jesus - according to her avatar) has come attacking and I shall defend myself. You can bet on that. I'm the last person in the world trying to make money off these girls...lol...

I saw TD's who don't have enough workers to take care of the fields last year when it rained. NSA States kind of leds me (and others - see NSA States posts) that direction that it was about money. I didn't post the N$A with a dollars sign. Looks like to me a lot of people did and not me. Mike Craig got fed up with them as well in Columbus so he went USSSA. Heck, I brought in a helicopter to play in Wilmington because their fields drain so terribly. The girls played, the teams were thrilled as their parents didn't "waste" money on motel rooms for another rainout... had two years of Uniform Blowouts that teams had a great time at....

So what is your point?
 
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NSA States kind of leds me (and others - see NSA States posts) that direction that it was about money. I didn't post the N$A with a dollars sign. Looks like to me a lot of people did and not me. Mike Craig got fed up with them as well in Columbus so he went USSSA.

Tim please, please, please do not get me into the middle of this long thread. I covered why I left back in July and still have friends in that organization right up to the top.

I feel the support was not there on a state level and the state tournament thing broke my heart to read and get e-mails about. I feel I am in a good place as Denny Rose wants to take USSSA to a new level in 09 and continue onward and upward.

By the way, it is a girl born last Friday weighing 8 LBs and 3 OZs. She already has her first bowling ball and should have her first ball glove soon. {proud daddy mode}
 
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anothersoftballmom nice effort but I am afraid that OQM still does not get it. He still thinks that anyone who asks a question is "attacking" him and that somehow he personally invented the best way to satisfy the softball community in Ohio and surrounding states. Like many have mentioned on here (and I have as well) OQM appears to mean well but the delivery is way off base.
Blanket statements like "Have you ever heard of any state organization willing to give away their State events to organizations to help them raise money for their girls. NEVER. Not one. That state tournament is ran for the money in their pocket plain and simple.
They live on that money and the difference is... I don't. I give back and do my damnest to do so. ( and believe me I haven't seen better prizes anywhere near what we give away..... and I substize my TD's with moneies I could put in my pocket if I wished from bids on National events." Statements like this stink of selfrightousness and there is no way that he can make such bold comments without having personal knowledge of every single person who runs the organizations that he bashes. He just never knows when enough is enough. Of course he will only see these comments as attacking him and never take them for what they are worth. I see many posts from people on here who are subtlety trying to help him. He continues to ignore the hints and just continues to tell us how he does not care what anyone else thinks or says, because he has his own ways and he knows that he is right. I would hate to see him fail because of his own inability to take good solid advice.
The softball community can use people like OQM who have good intentions that’s for sure. I have never personally attacked his character as he contends. I have questions some of his wildly outrageous statements and asked for clarification. I do not see that as an attack. Asking questions is one way to get answers. If OQM is going to continue to fire out information like a M-60 machine gun then people are going to ask questions. They are the new kid on the block and they should welcome such requests. Unfortunately from the responses that he has made to the posts made by you anothersoftballmom I do not see any changes on the horizon. Its too bad because I’m afraid that he will end up just being a sideshow instead of the main attraction that I know he envisions IFA becoming. I know that my DD’s team has decided to take a watch and see approach to the IFA inaugural season. When so much of that success is rideing on one persons actions then it will be a tightrope walk indeed.
 
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Tprovconc: You got some issues with me because you wanted me to not only have the 14u Nationals in Boardman, Ohio but to move it up a week. Just because you got that date in Boardman on the schedule because that is when Pony ran their event last year.


And because I couldn't..because all Nationals are on the same weekend and because all areas in the country is having last chance Qualifiers ending only a day before the National date you wanted me to move it to... you are going to come on here now and attack me?

I couldn't move the 14u Nationals a week up just to staisfy you. Or have both the 14u and 10u in Ohio at the same time. That is great for Ohio teams..sure it is... But, I have to think about the other states as well.

So, I guess now you are stuck with a dead week in Boardman and you want to come attack me... That's fine.

Yes, Mom I did ignore your point because you had no point to begin with. Ed comes in an attacks.. sure I'm going to defend myself. But, be better off informed when you speak of the NAFA versus IFA when you make your point. 3 VP's came from NAFA over and began IFA... and just like I was a cheerleader for nAFA when I was with them... I am a cheerleader with IFA as I believe in their theory about giving the game back to the girls and having a National event like USA/ASA where you have to win something to get there...instead of watching Regional National become nothing more than a regular tournament with some teams from the area states.

This is why we have a true national in IFA. "Don't have to be the biggest....just the best". That is our motto.

We'll ge there some day... we are new.... but we grow everyday. And that is what is so fun about it. There is others out there like me that is trying to give the game back to the girls.... and outr tournaments are ran by team organizations to help them with their team dollars. There is only one that doesn't. Mine in June in Goshen unless Fastpitch Blue wants it. He is more than welcome to rake in the money from the event for his girls. I'm not about money... I'm about change.... change that will benefit the girls and not my pocket.

Ricky is running his "last Chance qualifier -NIT" to raise money for the OFC, I am sure. He has said on numerous occasions that the Jamboree just don't pay all the bills of the OFC. Probally doesn't. This is why I gave him the IFA 10u National to help. I didn't have to.. but I surely did want to. I like helping.... that's me.

But, MS Ed (Jesus - according to her avatar) has come attacking and I shall defend myself. You can bet on that. I'm the last person in the world trying to make money off these girls...lol...

I saw TD's who don't have enough workers to take care of the fields last year when it rained. NSA States kind of leds me (and others - see NSA States posts) that direction that it was about money. I didn't post the N$A with a dollars sign. Looks like to me a lot of people did and not me. Mike Craig got fed up with them as well in Columbus so he went USSSA. Heck, I brought in a helicopter to play in Wilmington because their fields drain so terribly. The girls played, the teams were thrilled as their parents didn't "waste" money on motel rooms for another rainout... had two years of Uniform Blowouts that teams had a great time at....

So what is your point?
No issues with you OQM just many questions of weather you will be able to deliver all your
promises. As for BCB we have 900 players and 11 All Star teams playing at that time. We just offered you an opportunity to play at a great complex and you chose to go elsewhere.
 
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Q-Man, I really believe the problem rests in how you present IFA and yourself. You keep stating that you "want to give the game back to the girls." This implies that someone has taken it from them. That someone is everybody else other than you or IFA. I think this is what rubs people the wrong way. The state of fastpitch in Ohio has been built on the backs of many people across the state. People who gave up their weekends, weeknights, vacations, etc. for the girls and the game. There are very very few individuals making a their mortgage payment off of running softball tournaments in Ohio(excluding Fairborn;&). If you added up the volunteer hours of everybody across the state, they would dwarf the paid hours. I commend you for your enthusiasm by don't dismiss all of the work that all of the other good people have done for softball in Ohio. We did not take the game away from the girls. In fact, like you, we give more each day.
 
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Re: Just an Honest Opinion!

Let's look at classifications. Can anyone tell me what the difference between ASA "A" and ASA "B" is ? Last I saw, "B" is for rec teams and teams that do not have tryouts.


Can you please tell me where you saw this?
 
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Q-Man, I really believe the problem rests in how you present IFA and yourself. You keep stating that you "want to give the game back to the girls." This implies that someone has taken it from them. That someone is everybody else other than you or IFA. I think this is what rubs people the wrong way. The state of fastpitch in Ohio has been built on the backs of many people across the state. People who gave up their weekends, weeknights, vacations, etc. for the girls and the game. There are very very few individuals making a their mortgage payment off of running softball tournaments in Ohio(excluding Fairborn;&). If you added up the volunteer hours of everybody across the state, they would dwarf the paid hours. I commend you for your enthusiasm by don't dismiss all of the work that all of the other good people have done for softball in Ohio. We did not take the game away from the girls. In fact, like you, we give more each day.
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Q-Man, I really believe the problem rests in how you present IFA and yourself. You keep stating that you "want to give the game back to the girls." This implies that someone has taken it from them. That someone is everybody else other than you or IFA. I think this is what rubs people the wrong way. The state of fastpitch in Ohio has been built on the backs of many people across the state. People who gave up their weekends, weeknights, vacations, etc. for the girls and the game. There are very very few individuals making a their mortgage payment off of running softball tournaments in Ohio(excluding Fairborn;&). If you added up the volunteer hours of everybody across the state, they would dwarf the paid hours. I commend you for your enthusiasm by don't dismiss all of the work that all of the other good people have done for softball in Ohio. We did not take the game away from the girls. In fact, like you, we give more each day.


TheRinger I think that this just about sums it up. Very well said and it hits the point perfectly.

I have not been able to say it as well as you and therefore I have been accused of bashing OQM. I see it exactly the same way. Too many people around Ohio and surrounding states have worked their fingers to the bone to give to the players and their families. That concept was not invented by or originated by OQM. His willingness to give his all is admirable, but not at the expense of trying to make others look like thiefs, and greedy pigs. I have talked with many people around the state in the past couple months and many have e-mailed me or PM'd me to say that they see things the same way. They just do not have the willingness to question it.
 
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I vote that this thread be closed. It is not even worth hijacking anymore.

People have spoken, the speaking is done, and everyone is right, and no one agrees. Or something like that.

Anyway...

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Having 1:00 and 1:10 minutes games... don't you think that is taking from the girls and making the game all about the clock and not about the girl's actions and efforts on the fields ? Just wondering your opinion on that, Ringer.

We hope to give out good prizes. Prizes that help the girls.. whether it is saving them uniform costs or jackets... and about other things. After a conference call last night with all the IFA people... we have other things to announce very soon and you can believe that it will benefit the girls. My TD's already know some of it as I have contacted each and every one of them prior to the confernece call last night with IFA officials... and asked their opinions. They are excited as well as they know it will benefit the teams and ultimately the girls.
We are doing fine in IFA and we are new... but one thing we do... we think outside the box when it comes to prizes and special things we are doing for the girls.

We are not ready to make the announcement just yet... but probally will by early next week. I think the teams will like it as well. We shall see I guess.
 
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I don't see ANY association even coming close to doing what we are doing for the girls when it comes to substidizing the TD's with moneys to give out better prizes.

We at IFA don't make teams book through a booking agent for motels so we can get "our" cut.. or penalize teams who don't use their (other associations) booking agent for major events.

I can't wait for our nationals. I had a phone call from a team out of New Jersey yesterday. Had a great conversation with him.. He is orginally from Ohio and he keeps up with the OFC. He asked about our 14u Nationals in Springfield, IL. He said he wasn't coming to Dayton to play the 14 "B" as he said his girls would get beat terribly there in Dayton.

His reasoning: Almost every ASA 14u team in Ohio is going to be "B" this year.
 
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Of course 1:00 or 1:10 games are not good for the game. I think that more and more tournaments are moving away from this. I believe the OFC's influence has been instrumental in tweaking a lot of tournaments and making everybody pay a little closer attention to details and tournament quality. HOWEVER, we will all be held hostage by Mother Nature. The only thing we can do is hope and have a contingency plan put together. Still that may not be enough. Even the people with the best intentions must bow to the raindrop. Remember your Willmington tournament last year. We sat all day Saturday and watched diamonds sit with water on them and no one around to work on them. You did get some games in on Sunday but it was far from a complete tournament. You would take offense to anyone who said you didn't work hard that weekend because I saw you running around trying to get things done. In the end, quality and value speaks for themselves. If you offer everything you say you are, IFA with be as big as a pay-per-view "DaddyDice vs RichRo" cage match
 
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Can you please tell me which tournament had a time limit of 1:00 or 1:10 minutes last year? With the exception of indoor and/or a rain out, I can't think of any.
 
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Many of them. I umpired in many USSSA events in 2008 that had time limits.

I almost forgot, you asked Chris where you could find the Classification Rule for ASA when it comes to "B" division play.... Go to the below link and you can read it like I did. I just got a letter from Tennessee ASA asking about the classification and he gave me the same ruling as the book.

Link: http://downloads.asasoftball.com/about/pdf/asa_code.pdf

On Page 57 under 507 (B) Team Classifications it states: A team, who has been classified in any division of play during the previous year, will remain the same classification during the current season until reclassified by their respected Classification Board

507 (B) 02. A junior olympic Class B team may participate in a class A National Qualifiers. Participation in a higher classifacation could affect the team's classification.


Page 59 Girls Class "B" Fast Pitch

Teams and players who participate in Class "A" tournaments or higher that lead to a National Championship Finals...shall not be eligible to participate in the Class B competition. Girls Class "B" teams MUST BE MADE up of players who participate in the same league.

The Tennessee JO Officials says "A" teams are teams that travel and that "B" teams are mostly rec who travel sometimes and play together in the same league.

Just for fun, I e-mailed every state JO official to see what each of them have to say except Ohio. Just interested in knowing.
 
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I still say playing for prizes is going to cause even more teams loading up for those prizes,and less girls getting a chance to play. If you start playing for big money or prizes and lets face it both are the same thing you will need the State Patrol at these games, an additional cost also.
 
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I didn't have the state patrol of even a police person in Chillicothe when they played for uniforms at the Fall Uniform Blowout....lol... We have had it for two years now and plan a third year of the tournament. Actually, in 2009 we are playing four (4) regional UNiform Blowouts so each area of Ohio can be able to participate in a city near them... NE, NW, SE, SW Ohio
 
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