Release or not to release???

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@crystlemc:

As I said before, releasing is probably the only way to go because of the drama. What you describe is a pretty extreme situation and I would even offer refunds, minus expenses incurred, if there were indeed a mass exodus for good reasons.
 
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Imagine if coaches worked this way... You pick up a new kid a good ball player but her parents are a pain... So you just release her... You pick up a kid at tryouts who looks great there but struggles in games...So you just release her. I don't know maybe I'm to old school but if you make a commitment to a team or a player you should see it through. Unless there are serious real issues. Not I'm not playing the position I want.
 
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As I said above, I am always in favor of a release, but there are some valid points made above about the rest of the girls left behind especially if there is now no longer enough to field a team.

As for reasons for unhappiness, that can open up a whole can of worms. Of course, some coaches overcommit up front on things like playing time or schedule difficulty, and other coaches will get blamed no matter what ... they play favorites, they bat their own DD too high in the order, they don't know what they're doing, they're being overly critical of the girls, they don't practice enough, they practice too little, DD isn't playing her best position, etc. Too often, it seems like there is another coach out there who is promising something better, whether they just desperately need players or they're trying to improve their team ... and then you find out later that the player/family left wasn't happy there either, and the following year they are looking for yet another organization.

I would also wager to say that the majority of the time when someone asks for a release, that it's actually the parent(s) and not the girl who thinks the grass will be greener elsewhere. As others have mentioned, as long as the fees have essentially already been spent and/or can't be recovered elsewhere, there should be no refunds. But yeah, I don't want a family that is unhappy, and I am going to sign a release every time so that kid can go play somewhere else if they choose to.
 
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At what age do we encourage our DDs to honor a commitment they made to 12 other girls and an organization? As a parent, it would have to be an extreme situation to allow her to hop teams. If the playing time isn't what you thought, perhaps she needs to learn to be a role player or what it is her team needs at the time. What happens to the girls on both teams -old and new-of the team hopping player? Depending on the skill levels and roles of the girl involved, teams are unsettled on both sides. it's not just about that girl and her family. Sure, release them, but new coaches to this player beware as to why they are leaving..... I believe that most of the drama is created and fueled by the parents. It's a team sport and I encourage my daughter every game to remember that. The last question we ask before she leaves the car is "what can YOU do to help your team?"
 
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This from a post today on a thread for a team looking for a player: "Our roster has been set for months but we had a girl let us know today, just days before our first tournament, that she did not want to play this year."

Now that is a great example for collecting fees in the fall and not issuing refunds. This team had it's roster set, passed on girls that wanted to play for them and then days before their first tournament she drops out leaving them hanging. How do you find a good replacement at the beginning of June? Case like that should probably cost the parents their $$$. This is where you should probably honor your commitment unless there is a darn good reason and wanting to play for another team would not be one OR just not wanting to play period.
 
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on this one, the girl should honor her commitment until a replacement could be found for her.
 
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Release the kid, god, really if they dont want to be there, why do you want them to be? Also unless you go play at the Nationals, who the heck really looks at the rosters? Can't recall one that truly did and ran the kids names in a data base.......
 
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my problem is the part where there is only 9,8 or even 7 which would commit to a forfeit. Otherwise if she doesnt want to play for you then it will do more harm than good, it will anyway either way i guess but if you need a certain number then i agree with the part of filling then releasing because of the other girls...they need to be treated fair too!
 
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Imagine if coaches worked this way... You pick up a new kid a good ball player but her parents are a pain... So you just release her... You pick up a kid at tryouts who looks great there but struggles in games...So you just release her. I don't know maybe I'm to old school but if you make a commitment to a team or a player you should see it through. Unless there are serious real issues. Not I'm not playing the position I want.
couldn't agree with you more!
 
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We had a girl leave our team last gear about 1/2 way through the season. The reason: "We dont like the head coach, she's not letting our daughter pitch as much as the other two." Shame was, this girl could play ball. Went to another team finished last year with them, then walked away from that team after already paying them, and wanting there money back the next yr. Granted it was before season started. This same parent at 10u quit a top team (for same reasons above) 1/2 way through that season to play for another top team that had a better chance of winning the world series. Now to me, that person is going to give his DD a bad reputation if he keeps it up.
 
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I meant to add the part of only if it's a serious nature issue as well.

Ours had to commit all the way, unless they were sold a bill of goods and the team only ended up with 7 girls which happened once. At that time we said we as a family weren't doing that game.
 
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Originally Posted by Uber_Jones Imagine if coaches worked this way... You pick up a new kid a good ball player but her parents are a pain... So you just release her... You pick up a kid at tryouts who looks great there but struggles in games...So you just release her. I don't know maybe I'm to old school but if you make a commitment to a team or a player you should see it through. Unless there are serious real issues. Not I'm not playing the position I want.


couldn't agree with you more!

That is not what I asked. I have never cut a player mid season start season or any other time in the year. Once I ask you to play for my team I am committed to you as a player. The question is if a player or their family are not happy the total number on the team is 11 and they want to be released to play elsewhere the question is release or not release....

However I did enjoy all the scenarios...
 
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We had a girl leave our team last gear about 1/2 way through the season. The reason: "We dont like the head coach, she's not letting our daughter pitch as much as the other two." Shame was, this girl could play ball. Went to another team finished last year with them, then walked away from that team after already paying them, and wanting there money back the next yr. Granted it was before season started. This same parent at 10u quit a top team (for same reasons above) 1/2 way through that season to play for another top team that had a better chance of winning the world series. Now to me, that person is going to give his DD a bad reputation if he keeps it up.

It's sad to see a classless parent passing their lack of values on to their kids. They should not be in a "team" sport.
 
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It's sad to see a classless parent passing their lack of values on to their kids. They should not be in a "team" sport.

Maybe better techniques can be shared to help detect such a thing during the tryout/signup/invite process. I know in the several tryouts we went to (and I can only speak for THOSE tryouts), nobody spoke to me to evaluate whether or not I was a jerk (they got lucky).
 
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Originally Posted by Uber_Jones Imagine if coaches worked this way... You pick up a new kid a good ball player but her parents are a pain... So you just release her... You pick up a kid at tryouts who looks great there but struggles in games...So you just release her. I don't know maybe I'm to old school but if you make a commitment to a team or a player you should see it through. Unless there are serious real issues. Not I'm not playing the position I want.




That is not what I asked. I have never cut a player mid season start season or any other time in the year. Once I ask you to play for my team I am committed to you as a player. The question is if a player or their family are not happy the total number on the team is 11 and they want to be released to play elsewhere the question is release or not release....

However I did enjoy all the scenarios...

I know that's not what you asked, it's just becoming easier and easier for people who don't get exactly they want.
 
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I have read some great posts on this subject, a subject that's been discussed before and always has a large response. I agree thre are some thoughtless people out here that will leave an entire team's season in jeopardy simply for their own selfish wants. They refuse to honor their commitment, even at the risk of losing their player's fees. Somebody asked the question about when you should teach your child to honor a commitment and my answer is as soon as they are ready to tryout for a team.

I agree it it extremely likely it's the parent/parents that are jumping ship rather than the player. If the parent wasn't fueling this away from the field, the kids wouldn't be resentful if there ever was an issue to begin with. I agree it hurts the other kids on the roster when these people decide to leave but there really is not anything a coach can do to "make" them stay. If the situation is they are unhappy, they more than likely will quit coming and leave you short a player. There's no win win in this case.

I've always recommended to teams to have a clear and precise contract that explains the policy about refunds. Many believe my ideas favor the team instead of the individual. DUH. Of course it does because the individual is the one that will ruin the opportunity for the others, not the other way around. There is no sound reason to keep a family that doesn't want to be there just as there is no reason to make excuses to the team when those individuals decide to leave. If a stigma is attached to their habits and choices, let the world know they have made their bed and will sleep in it. Sad but true, some families simply cannot see the need to teach a kid that even though we may have made a bad choice we need to see it thru till the season is over. They should support the effort to try and minimize the grief their child may have because things haven't been roses in their parents eyes.

Now that I hopefully have convinced you that I'm dead against any family jumping ship during season, let me ask a question that could be of legal nature. We all know the policy sanctioning bodies have about signing rosters, the need, and the protocol to release a player so they can be available/eligible for play with another team. I see the need for this practice for liability issues pertaining to injury but struggle with the rest of the rule.

“Do sanctioning bodies have the legal right to tell a family you can not move from 1 team to another for any reason because your name was used on a roster that the tem turned in to a qualifier tournament, thus locking them out from participating with another team the rest of the entire season?”

I know some will say they don't HAVE to play that sanctioning again the rest of the season, that it's a choice and not a right. Is this legally true? I believe some can argue this point. I'm not going to state my thoughts o this matter because I'm curious to see what others think.
 
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I've heard it all. If the girl or the parents want to leave, let them leave. I don't care if that leaves you with 8 girls. Making someone stay means you are going to rely on someone that doesn't want to be there in the first place? How much effort are you going to get out of them? How reliable are they going to be? I'm so tired of hearing about team commitment and what are we teaching our girls. Come on! Most people will stay, while others will always jump teams. It's all a part of the game.
 
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Unless your name is on the birth certificate which would give you the right to make the decision - then release the player & let them find their happy place.

If a player ask me for a release I do it as quick as they can get me the paperwork - it's only fair.
 
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As jdcii pointed out, what does the Coach or the Team GAIN by not releasing the kid?
It shouldn't be about punishment or retribution as we are talking about KIDS and parents who are making the decision for the KIDS. Yeah it stinks but there isn't much you can do (besides not releasing them) and in the end, the Team gains nothing from that.
 

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