Rule should be eliminated or made more clear

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Sadly, it is. I went to Massillon for that state meeting for umpires... and that was the biggest WASTE of time and gas money I have EVER spent.

Nothing... absolutely got nothing from it. Stupid questions by stupid umpires... You know what I mean...LOL
 
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OUCH!:eek: But that is so True!:lmao::lmao:


FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing too SLOW!

You know us Quakers, FastpitchBlue. We'll open our mouth at injustice. :D

Have I ever told you what I thought of George Washington's sorry a$$.....:lmao: ( See thread in Non-Softball section for the newbies)
 
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You know us Quakers, FastpitchBlue. We'll open our mouth at injustice. :D

Have I ever told you what I thought of George Washington's sorry a$$.....:lmao: ( See thread in Non-Softball section for the newbies)

Yes I know far to well!:lmao: Actually the General Public can do more then they think to get OHSAA's attention, they need to express their concerns such as you have already done with any method available to them. i.e. Phone, Email, Letters, ect.nothing will be done unless they do.

While OFC is a "Great Place to Vent" it's not the place to get anything corrected.


FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing too SLOW!
 
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No joke, an umpire I know asked another ump why *** **** was still able to umpire games because he was aweful. The ump said, well, *** is very ill and this is his lasty horrah.
Not being cold, but how is this fair to the players ? It is supposed to be about the girls. If you cannot do what you need to do, it is unfortunately, over.
 
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I agree Fastpitch Blue.

You have to take the time to write, email, call your state representatives and DEMAND change from them. Find out who is on the Board of Education.. find out what representatives oversee the Board of Education and demand change.

Apathy is so huge in the United States and the ole.. "if it doesn't affect me personally I don't notice it"..... thoughts. Sad to me.

Quit complaining and do something about it. That's my motto. :p
 
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it was a bs call by the losing coach...she needs to retire soon.
 
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Coach brought it to the umpire's attention ???? ... now that is funnier than I thought....
 
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The Granville coach brought called this to the Umpires attention! This Dispatch today said the umpire immediately called her out...that is absolutely wrong. All the players were in the dugout by the time Granville's coach addressed the umpire. Only after this consultation did the umpire call her out. He had no intention of making that call until she forced his hand. An umpire with no integrity colluding with a classless coach is what makes for calls like these!
 
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Bretman, I have seen this called a couple of times over the years (and not called a few other times). You state this is a myth. If so, how does the rule read that people are confusing it? (cant find the rule on the internet and dont have a NFHS rulebook). I would really like to know and any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 
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Bretman, I have seen this called a couple of times over the years (and not called a few other times). You state this is a myth. If so, how does the rule read that people are confusing it? (cant find the rule on the internet and dont have a NFHS rulebook). I would really like to know and any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

Here is the high school rule. This is pretty much the same for any level of baseball or softball.

8-6-5: The runner is out when...Any offensive team member, other than another runner, physically assists the runner.

As a side note, notice that "other runners" are exempt from this rule. It is always legal for one active runner to assist another (runners can't pass each other in the basepaths, but they can assist one another if one falls or push the other toward a base).

An "offensive team member" would include all of the players on the bench and the team's coaches.

The rule doesn't say that a runner is out if "touched" by a coach, but "physically assisted". This means that the coach must actually aid the runner in some way, or affect her base running. Examples of "physically assisting" might include a coach helping a runner up who has fallen or tripped, a coach grabbing a runner to prevent her from advancing, a coach pushing a runner toward a base or a coach touching a runner to help in tagging up on a caught fly ball, so she won't leave early.

Slapping an otherwise legally advancing runner a high-five does nothing to aid her in running the bases and has no influence on the outcome of the play.

I think that I posted this here earlier, but I can remember there being confusion about this rule when I played PONY league baseball 40 years ago! And I'm sure it caused confusion even before that.

Somewhere along the line, the distinction between "touching" and physically assisting" a runner became blurred...and a rule myth was born!
 
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Bretman, also you had posted a on another thread, when this same silly thing happened, that people are getting this rule confused with NCAA rule, which does not allow for other players to Touch batters before home plate!! But even still, it is only a warning the first time it happens.

Man I know people on both sides of that game and I cant believe that an umpire would let this happen in a playoff game. Regardless of final outcome of the game that umpire did not know the rules and he effected the game because of it. And Im not out to lynch the man, call him names or in any way hurt the guy... I just hope he understands how important his place is and works a little harder if he is going to continue umpiring. BTW anyone know who the umpire was?
 
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Here's something really strange that happened yesterday...

I was in Whitehall and my partner and I were standing by the field waiting for our game to start. We're making "umpire chit-chat" and I asked him if he heard about a bad call in the Desales game this week. He rolled his eyes and said he did.

We're talking about it and I'm just about to say something pretty derogatory about how stupid it was was. Before I did, two umpires from another field passed us. I didn't know them, but my partner did and he said something like, "Hi, how's it going?"

The other two umpires pass and my partner leans over to me, points at one of them and says," That's the guy who made that call"!

Too weird!

I guess that he had talked to him about this and the guy claimed that he "got confused by the NCAA rule" and that he DID warn the team about this earlier in the game. It's still a bad call, but at least that was his explanation about why he made it.
 
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Only problem with his "warning" comment is this: It was the first batter in the first inning, Granville had batted (top of first inning) but it was 3 up 3 down so not sure when or why he would have warned anyone before this call
 
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Question for Bret - When a call like this happens (a "mythical" call that cannot be supported in the rules) how should a coach respectfully approach the umpire about it? Is it acceptable to ask for an explanation, and to what point is the umpire obligated to provide an explanation?
 
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that happens in our neck of the woods I promise a fight is going to break out. Not saying it's correct or anything but I can't imagine that happening in Scioto Co. w/o the blue lights coming to get someone. or more like several someone's. MD
 
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the solution is soooo simple, dont touch or assist until she crosses the plate...
 
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and attempt to make fastpitch the NO FUN LEAGUE -- GET REAL annibal.
 
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Only problem with his "warning" comment is this: It was the first batter in the first inning, Granville had batted (top of first inning) but it was 3 up 3 down so not sure when or why he would have warned anyone before this call

These are details that I was not made aware of through all of the second-hand accounts of this incident. That certainly would put a different spin on things! :eek:
 

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