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but the rule is clear -- there is no interpretation needed, oh' well i don't have a dog in that race and didn't witness it 1st hand . should a team celebrate too long Blue has every right to break it up. but to take away a earned run ? If the team in the field was offended they had 7 innings to respond. should'nt be up to blue to insert himself in the game. MD

 

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I don't have a dog in the race either, but taking away a run for excessive celebration is not a recourse for an umpire ... ever ... in any sport I know of. They messed up the call, pure and simple. And they knew they messed it up and tried to cover it up when they told bretman they had given an earlier warning, when in fact it was the first batter in the game ... and I have been in hundreds and hundreds of pre-game meetings with umpires over the years, and that is not something that has ever been brought up.

 

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It was certainly an attention getter, and it has me watching the college tournaments for it. Again, it was the first time I seen it applied, and I can't find it in the NFHS or NSA rule book. But, on the other hand, deceitful tactics in the book is wide open to interpretation as well (not that Desales did anything deceitful). Assisting a runner could be interpreted that strictly though. For me, the open celebrating should occur elsewhere, and not on the field, and this ruling would not have been in question.

 

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There's no rule for it in HS, ASA, USSSA, probally NSA as well..... except NCAA which has a rule against other teammates and not the coach giving a high five while runner runs the bases.

It's BS and some umpire's BS for not knowing the rule.

 

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After 65 posts and a few days to kick this around the facts are simple:

1) DeSales' leadoff hitter in the bottom of the 1st inning crushed a ball over the outfield fence.
2) She was called out for allegedly being touched by a teamate before she crossed home plate.
3) The opposing coach raised the question and the umpire ruled in her favor,right or wrong as that my be.
4) The play is scored as a triple with an out at home.
5) Granville lost the game 3-2 and their season is over.
6) DeSales will play Wednesday at 5:00,in Bucyrus,in the regional semi-final against a good Clyde team.

End of Story

PS. It was my daughter that "got robbed",that should tip off anyone that cares who I am.

 

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I think that wraps it up...Good Night everyone, thanks for coming we will see you in Bucyrus! Have a safe trip home!

 

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welcome stewie , come back more often . MD

 

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Lot's of good discussion on this (imaginary) rule. Yet no one has really touched on the part of this where the umpire didn't make the call until it was brought to his attention by the opposing coach.

Not just on this play, put on any play, an umpire should not allow a coach to "talk him into" making a call. He either saw it or he didn't. If he saw it, and thinks that a rule was violated, he should call it. If he really thinks there was a violation (either real or imagined) why wouldn't he be calling it? Not calling it is a dereliction of his duties.

If he didn't see it, then no amount of discussion, pleading or arguing from a coach should ever persuade him to call something he didn't see.

 

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After 65 posts and a few days to kick this around the facts are simple:

1) DeSales' leadoff hitter in the bottom of the 1st inning crushed a ball over the outfield fence.
2) She was called out for allegedly being touched by a teamate before she crossed home plate.
3) The opposing coach raised the question and the umpire ruled in her favor,right or wrong as that my be.
4) The play is scored as a triple with an out at home.
5) Granville lost the game 3-2 and their season is over.
6) DeSales will play Wednesday at 5:00,in Bucyrus,in the regional semi-final against a good Clyde team.

End of Story

PS. It was my daughter that "got robbed",that should tip off anyone that cares who I am.

Well Stewie - you gave that away in item #1, when you used the word "crushed"! Thought you'd like the *ahem* purple color of the quote...

 

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"Crushed" is accurate because it was a line drive, not a looping long ball over the fence and the scoreboard about 8 feet above the fence...some Papa pride but also accurate

 

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This was an article from ESPN the Magazine a couple years ago. Seems appropriate.

Share386 Retweet56 Updated: June 18, 2009, 10:14 AM ETThe grinch who stole a homerOne coach followed the rules when they should have been brokenEmail Print By Rick Reilly
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Courtesy Brainerd Dispatch
Ashly Erickson, a 1B for Central Lakes College, hit a home run called back on a rules violation by the opposing coach.

This column originally appeared in the June 29 issue of ESPN The Magazine.


Some things are so small, so minuscule, so atomically insignificant, they can be seen only from three feet away using the Hubble telescope. The heart of Jean Musgjerd is one of these things.



She's the women's softball coach for Rochester (Minn.) Community and Technical College. Here's what Coach Musgjerd did -- and try to keep your lunch from rising up as you read:



It's this past May's Minnesota College Athletic Conference state tourney, and Central Lakes College is tied with Rochester, 0-0, bottom of the seventh and final inning. Central Lakes pitcher Olivia Graham has her first no-hitter going. Now, with Central Lakes at bat, she just has to hope her team can score a run to lock it up.



Sure enough, Central's freshman first baseman, Ashly Erickson, rips one over the fence. Game over. Madness erupts. As Erickson and her cantaloupe smile round third, some teammates high-five her. It's the greatest moment in her short softball life.



But when she touches the plate, the Rochester players begin shouting, "That's an out! She's out!" Then Musgjerd helpfully tells the ump that Erickson should be out since, according to the rules, teammates aren't allowed to "touch a batter or baserunner legally running the bases."



Central Lakes' interim coach, Heidi Rogge, was flabbergasted. She'd taken over only two weeks before, when the head coach suddenly quit. "I can't imagine a coach thinking that way," says Rogge, 28. "I couldn't be that petty. How can someone feel good calling that?"



The head ump for the tournament listened, shrugged and said, "Batter's out."



It was a walk-off-walk-back-on homer -- the first game ever lost by congratulations.



Erickson was crushed. "I thought, How can that not count? I hit it over the fence!"



So you can guess the rest. Graham lost her no-no in the ninth and Rochester won, 4-0. Musgjerd's integrity was in the Dumpster, but hey, her record improved. She didn't return my calls but did tell the Minneapolis Star Tribune: "You don't want to win in that way, but you have to play by the rules."



No. You do not want to win that way. Period. It's lower than mole excrement.



Worse, the Rochester players yelling "That's an out!" as soon as Erickson crossed the plate suggests the move was a stink bomb Musgjerd had been saving in her purse, ready to throw in the middle of somebody's parade. Who thinks that small?



I hate this kind of ****. There's nothing cheaper than using some tiny, unconnected technicality to rob somebody of her rightful moment of glory, won fair and square. It's the cheapest thing in sports: an adult pencil-whipping some kid just because she can. And my e-mail box fills up with these kinds of stories all the time.



I lost the pine box derby because a den master said I didn't fill out the form right.



They DQ'd our team because the coach found out I failed math class two years ago.



They said the goal didn't count because my jersey was out.



Makes me want to chew a hole through my desk.



For another thing, that's not even the rule! The rule states that the first infraction calls for a warning. Erickson should've just been warned, not called out. Would love to know what the umps were thinking on this. But they won't call back either.



It just didn't have to happen.



Remember what transpired just over a year ago in women's softball? A Western Oregon player hit a home run but, in her jubilation, ripped her knee touching first. Nobody knew what to do. Because of this stupid rule, her teammates and coaches couldn't help her round the bases. And that's when two kids on the other team -- Central Washington -- decided to carry her around the bases. Imagine that: sportsmanship.



The whole thing still leaves the 18-year-old Erickson wondering what the adult world is coming to. If she ever becomes a coach, will she make the same call to save a win? "No. No way. They would have earned that home run. That should be their glory. I'd let it go. 'Cuz that's not right."



No, it isn't. And if Coach Musgjerd has a thimbleful of self-respect left, she should call up Rogge today and forfeit the win, because both she and the umps had it wrong. She should say, "Turns out it should've been a warning, not an out. You win. Congrats."



Because, after all, you have to play by the rules.

 

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I cant say enough how low that is, when the ball left the park the runner had not even reached first base yet, so any base missed or touching of the player should be moot , after all there is no ball even in the park it left the park. The rule should have to be the defense needs to retrieve the ball and tag the runner before she can run back and touch the bases:lmao:.

The only thing I can see to challenge a home run OVER the fence would be, anything that gave the batter an unfair advantage before the ball LEAVES THE PARK. Like stepping on home when hitting the ball, stepping out of the batters box when hitting the ball, using an illegal bat, things like this.