Team Fees

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I do think about what applies to me. That's why I post. I do not make claims to be HUMBLE either. I know you wouldn't put up with what we went through the last year. Unless you were dishing it out.


Once again.....I do not know you or your kid, what part of the state you are from and have never coached her so I am therefore....NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PROBLEMS!!! I have no idea what you went through and I haven't dished anything to you. But if you want a plate of my coaching and your kid is 14, come on to my tryout and I'll dish out all I can. :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo: We had a great year this year and are hoping to continue it to next year!!! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
 
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Once again.....I do not know you or your kid, what part of the state you are from and have never coached her so I am therefore....NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PROBLEMS!!! I have no idea what you went through and I haven't dished anything to you. But if you want a plate of my coaching and your kid is 14, come on to my tryout and I'll dish out all I can. :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo: We had a great year this year and are hoping to continue it to next year!!! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

No need to shout. No need to make folks do fundraisers. The fundraisers we did last year were an absolute riddle. The team fees were outrageous too. There are a lot of folks that just want their DD to get on a team that promises to have good coaching and the right combination of tournaments. They feel trapped and can be abused. Do you expect them to enjoy that? I guess you can from the way you always SHOUT at me.
 
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There is no sound...how can I be shouting?? :lmao: :lmao: I don't know you so I don't know if you enjoy it or not, you seem to have the same experience every year so either 1. it is you or 2. you DO enjoy it.
 
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I have never been associated with a team that makes you participate in fundraisers. One team we were with had 'mandatory' fundraisers that were to cover expenses that were not covered by team fees. But there was always a buy out option. You could pay x $$ that would be equivilant to the profit. I would hope everyone would operate that way. But those are questions to be asked before joining an org. It sounds like either a badly run org or someone didn't do their hw before accepting an offer. We have always known fees ahead of time and everything that includes for that $$.

And thanks for the fundraiser info. I think I got it covered now. No fundraiser $$ to the org then its not a problem. If goes to org then needs to be to cover team fees.
 
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Did you see what the FDA did to ANX last night?

The FDA axing a chemotherapy drug by Adventrx has nothing to do with Klump coaching closer to home.

With my wife currently undergoing chemotherapy, I thank you for your thoughtless and insensitive comment. It just helps to reaffirm my opinion of you.
 
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The FDA axing a chemotherapy drug by Adventrx has nothing to do with Klump coaching closer to home.

With my wife currently undergoing chemotherapy, I thank you for your thoughtless and insensitive comment. It just helps to reaffirm my opinion of you.

Ya, what's up with that? Softball is obviously a very important part of all of our lives....but taking a shot at someone like that is just messed up. Maybe you being a jack a$$ is the reason you have such bad experiences every year. Stay away from my team!! :mad:
 
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The FDA axing a chemotherapy drug by Adventrx has nothing to do with Klump coaching closer to home.

With my wife currently undergoing chemotherapy, I thank you for your thoughtless and insensitive comment. It just helps to reaffirm my opinion of you.

Sorry about your wife. If the US government had spent the money of the Iraq and Afghan farces on cancer research you might be in far better stead now. How you and Klump can turn a discussion about fundraisers into such a mess is amazing. It will of interest to watch the 14U XS.
 
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i'm confused...i've read this twice and have not a clue what's going on...time for my afternoon cup of coffee
 
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The FDA axing a chemotherapy drug by Adventrx has nothing to do with Klump coaching closer to home.

With my wife currently undergoing chemotherapy, I thank you for your thoughtless and insensitive comment. It just helps to reaffirm my opinion of you.
I have invested heavily in cancer research over the last 20 years.
 
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Sorry about your wife. If the US government had spent the money of the Iraq and Afghan farces on cancer research you might be in far better stead now. How you and Klump can turn a discussion about fundraisers into such a mess is amazing. It will of interest to watch the 14U XS.

Our DD does not play for the Xstreme. Also, I did not turn it into a mess. I simply responded to your comment.

Good luck in your search for a team this season.

Dan
 
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Stay on topic or fight amongst yourselves in a PM...nobody cares to siphon through all your foolishness to get to what this topic was started for..."Team Fees"
 
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I have never been associated with a team that makes you participate in fundraisers. One team we were with had 'mandatory' fundraisers that were to cover expenses that were not covered by team fees. But there was always a buy out option. You could pay x $$ that would be equivilant to the profit. I would hope everyone would operate that way. But those are questions to be asked before joining an org. It sounds like either a badly run org or someone didn't do their hw before accepting an offer. We have always known fees ahead of time and everything that includes for that $$.

And thanks for the fundraiser info. I think I got it covered now. No fundraiser $$ to the org then its not a problem. If goes to org then needs to be to cover team fees.

Ok since this got lost in the bickering. Do I have this right regarding fundraising?
 
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I have two daughters that play TB and team fees x2 is a big financial commitment. It would be nice to know if there is any fundraising, or sibling discounts.

I had my DD's pass on a tryout because of rumors that their fees are too high. It turns out that they were within my budget. We shouldn't have to rely on rumors.

Any tryout should list contact info. and if they can't answer your questions to your satisfaction, then skip those tryouts. The best info. they can give you will be based on the last season and "estimated" for the upcoming season.
 
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Um.... :eek: I was just wondering why teams don't post their fees on their web sites for everyone to see..... That's all. Kinda sorry I asked. :(
 
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Good topic to discuss, breaks up all the team tryout postings! Haha.
 
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That is not necessarily true. It all depends on what type of fundraising you do and how you process the funds. The one and only caviat is that you cannot refund more than they paid. This is especially true for HS age players.

Yes, the org can pay the hotel bill directly and many hotels are happy to work that way with you. There are other logistical issues that arise with that, but nothing that can't be easily handled.

The 501(c)(3) status does effect how you distribute funds that have been raised through an organization sponsored fundraiser. Team and individuals can fundraise all they want as long as the money doesn't flow through the org account(s). Car washes, football squares, etc.. can all be done by the teams and those funds would fall outside of any guidelines as long as it is handled by a parent that is not a coach or org board member. You also have to be careful on how you advertise the fundraiser, the IRS can be pricks.

Hope this helps.

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I am currently the head coach of a select travel baseball team in Texas. We are recognized as a 501c3 and I have a question reference an issue that currently happened. The parents of the baseball team conducted a fundraiser by selling ads as well as a bucket brigade (collecting donations at the corner of a public street). The general public was told that the money was for the non-profit/baseball team. We competed in a baseball tournament and have a remaining balance. Some of the parents are leaving the team and are demanding that I refund any money left in the bank account. I am under the belief that I cannot give money that was raised through a fundraising effort (used to raise money for the non-profit organization) to individual parents. The individuals who purchased the ads are receiving a tax benefit and I believe that the distribution of money to the parents is not appropriate.

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You are 100% correct. Parents may not receive distributions from the money that was raised from persons other than the parents. If they did receive distributions that would mean that the organization would not be qualified as a 501(c)(3) organization, but would be a "cooperative" operation.

From:
www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/booster_club_field_directive_6-27.pdf


---Start of Excerpt--
If a booster club confers a benefit on a participant in return for
their fundraising activities, such as by crediting amounts raised
by a participant toward that participant's dues requirement, or by
crediting amounts raised against the cost of a trip, the booster
club is providing a private benefit to that participant.
Consequently, such practices could result in the organization
failing to be described in ? 501(c)(3).
---End of Excerpt---

The IRS continued in the next paragraph, "It is also possible that
amounts credited to a participant's account due to fundraising
would constitute income from services, and could result in
employment taxes."
 
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The key is in the language used, distribution versus refund. You cannot give the parents/players monies that they did not pay in, but you can refund their excess fees. That is what fundraising is, it creates excess in the fees collected in my mind.
 
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@WPride: Thanks for providing authoritative information on this subject!

Seems to me 501(c)(3) organizations have a few choices:

1. As 3dm suggested, run fundraisers that do not involve tax deductible contributions separate from the org so that individuals can benefit (i.e. earn money) by their participation.

2. Do org fundraising without tracking individual participation. Leftover money can be refunded at the end of the year as long as it doesn't exceed what they paid in.

3. Do what you want and hope you don't get caught.

@3dm: You're right about the IRS. :(
 
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