What happens to the USA/ASA bids????????????????????

[Run26]

I believe the Ohio berth winners are as follows YTD

Dayton Metro - Static Blue
MC Madness - Lasers Red
Toledo Regional - Ohio Classics 99
Dayton Regional - TN team
OFC Berth - undetermined
States Berths - Diamond Chix 99, MV Express Gold, Wizards, Blackhawk
Cincy Metro - undetermined

Feel free to correct any mistakes

 

[dennis golic]

Does the ASA sit down after the season and at least think about what happened that summer? Or do they just hold on and brace themselves for the next year. PGF,USSSA,NSA should start taking advantage.

 

[dawgpound19]

Instead of flipping coins or cards, I think for 10 and 12U they should just use the coach's poll on here to determine the winner!!! That way the poll is made useful instead of just using it for chest pumping.

 

[DougL]

For a ASA/USA National - the bad part is teams will win the berth that have no idea what a lions den they are stepping into... It all sounds fun until you are embarrassed 4 times in a row and going home on Thursday.

Meanwhile, teams that should be playing there are not... as I said before no perfect answer.

 

[cjs]

ASA posts a JO berth report each year that shows how ASA/USA berths are allocated across the country and the teams that earned a returning berth from finishing 1st/2nd at an ASA Nat. The report for 2015 is 2015 JO Qualifications & Berths.

1. Association Berths are based on previous year's registrations. Dayton and Cincy have 1 each and Ohio ASA has 6, which are usually split between the PA-OH Classic, Strongsville (former Clev metro) and the remainder to the State tourney.

2. Each Region gets 1 berth for a National Qualifier that is open to any ASA team (aka 'open' regional).

3. Each Region also gets 2 berths that are usually only available to OH teams (aka 'closed' regional).

That's a total of 11 ASA/USA berths that should have been allocated to 2015 qualifiers in OH. Seems like that's enough for all the teams that want to go to ASA/USA Nats. I recommend contacting your local commissioner if you want one.

If all OH berths are taken, there is a possibility of getting a berth from the ASA/USA host. ASA/USA Nat'l hosts get 2 Host berths that they can award to any team (usually local ones). There is also a Fill-in Procedure where the host commissioner can award unused berths to get to 138 teams total. Fill-in berths are awarded to teams based on the order of finish in association and regional championship tournaments.

Based on the list of teams on the website, several teams that did not win a bid in any of the known qualifiers are on the list of teams signed up for the tournament, so apparently you don't have to win a bid for this tournament. So I would recommend any team that wants to go look into some other options before ending your season early. There were some worthy teams that did not get the last bid in Cincinnati last weekend..... http://gfp.tournamentasa.com/i!/tournaments/tournamentDetails.php?TID=4361

 

[Run26]

someone posted on here that Ohio Lasers Purple won the berth in Cincy. I've seen them play and they are certainly "worthy" of a berth. I know for a fact that they were registered in another tournament this past weekend and had to pull out so they could try and qualify. Every other team had this option as well.

 

[cjs]

someone posted on here that Ohio Lasers Purple won the berth in Cincy. I've seen them play and they are certainly "worthy" of a berth. I know for a fact that they were registered in another tournament this past weekend and had to pull out so they could try and qualify. Every other team had this option as well.

I've seen them play too , but not my point, there were several other teams at States that wanted to go to nationals and were not given the opportunity to win the bid on the field, and registration for Cincinnati was closed when the Poker game went on, our coach happened to get us into Cincy tourney just in case, and we got our bid, but several teams did not get a chance, Mason Thunder 99, Hawks-Lenos to name a few, just saying if bids are given out without winning them, then teams that want to go should look into it, it sucks that we had to cancel our planned tournament and lose out on the opportunity to play in front of several coaches that had told us they would be in Strongsville and go to Cincy were coaches were very scarce at best.

 

[Run26]

I've seen them play too , but not my point, there were several other teams at States that wanted to go to nationals and were not given the opportunity to win the bid on the field, and registration for Cincinnati was closed when the Poker game went on, our coach happened to get us into Cincy tourney just in case, and we got our bid, but several teams did not get a chance, Mason Thunder 99, Hawks-Lenos to name a few, just saying if bids are given out without winning them, then teams that want to go should look into it, it sucks that we had to cancel our planned tournament and lose out on the opportunity to play in front of several coaches that had told us they would be in Strongsville and go to Cincy were coaches were very scarce at best.

Understood and congrats on your bid . That's a solid squad you have there. I too agree that Lenos is worthy of going but missed two opportunities because of rain. I'm hoping Warren recognizes this as well and sees fit to give Doug an "at-large". He has done a lot for the softball community and also had a good showing in the super pools at Scenic City. Those in the know - know he's a top team.
The Mason argument is a little harder for me to go with because they lost their first bracket game @ states. Were they in Cincy and if so how did they do? Are the results posted somewhere?

 

[SoCal_Dad]

I believe the Ohio berth winners are as follows YTD

Dayton Metro - Static Blue
MC Madness - Lasers Red
Toledo Regional - Ohio Classics 99
Dayton Regional - TN team
OFC Berth - undetermined
States Berths - Diamond Chix 99, MV Express Gold, Wizards, Blackhawk
Cincy Metro - undetermined

Feel free to correct any mistakes

There should be 11 berths total with 3 being regional berths - 1 for the 'open' NQ and 2 for the 'closed' regional (Toledo?). This wouldn't be the first time Ohio has shorted their regional...

 

[SoCal_Dad]

Based on the list of teams on the website, several teams that did not win a bid in any of the known qualifiers are on the list of teams signed up for the tournament, so apparently you don't have to win a bid for this tournament. So I would recommend any team that wants to go look into some other options before ending your season early. There were some worthy teams that did not get the last bid in Cincinnati last weekend..... http://gfp.tournamentasa.com/i!/tournaments/tournamentDetails.php?TID=4361

Teams can have a berth passed down to them if the teams that finished above them decline it.

How many Ohio teams do you see on the list?

 

[cjs]

Understood and congrats on your bid . That's a solid squad you have there. I too agree that Lenos is worthy of going but missed two opportunities because of rain. I'm hoping Warren recognizes this as well and sees fit to give Doug an "at-large". He has done a lot for the softball community and also had a good showing in the super pools at Scenic City. Those in the know - know he's a top team.
The Mason argument is a little harder for me to go with because they lost their first bracket game @ states. Were they in Cincy and if so how did they do? Are the results posted somewhere?

Mason has a history of losing first bracket game and fighting way back thru losers bracket, finished 3rd in metro in the same scenario, results for cincy are here http://gfp.tournamentasa.com/i!/tournaments/tournamentDetails.php?TID=3685

 

[Run26]

thank you. decent field of teams. I know Fury in TN but not sure on the GA designation. Are they in the same organization?

Looks like Mason 99 and Static 98 finished tied for 5th behind Purple, MV X, Danger and Indy Gators. Both good Ohio teams and Static has some history behind them as well.

I'm surprised MV X played in this considering they had the berth already but I have no idea what their schedule looked like. They may have already been entered with no alternative. It's always tricky to be in these 1 spot qualifiers when a team already has a berth. They made it to the finals too which could have taken a spot from another team i.e. Ohio Danger.

IDK what the right answer here is, cjs. sorry bud. Are there some high quality teams out there that should get a shot, sure. But I think (for the most part) the best Ohio teams are getting the ticket punched. The only team I have no experience with is the Blackhawks squad. Other than that I have no qualms with the talent level of the other teams. You?

I know that's not your argument but I have no idea how to better solve the rainout situation. Are you saying that maybe Warren should have passed a couple of the states berths down to Cincy?

 

[cjs]

thank you. decent field of teams. I know Fury in TN but not sure on the GA designation. Are they in the same organization?

Looks like Mason 99 and Static 98 finished tied for 5th behind Purple, MV X, Danger and Indy Gators. Both good Ohio teams and Static has some history behind them as well.

I'm surprised MV X played in this considering they had the berth already but I have no idea what their schedule looked like. They may have already been entered with no alternative. It's always tricky to be in these 1 spot qualifiers when a team already has a berth. They made it to the finals too which could have taken a spot from another team i.e. Ohio Danger.

IDK what the right answer here is, cjs. sorry bud. Are there some high quality teams out there that should get a shot, sure. But I think (for the most part) the best Ohio teams are getting the ticket punched. The only team I have no experience with is the Blackhawks squad. Other than that I have no qualms with the talent level of the other teams. You?

I know that's not your argument but I have no idea how to better solve the rainout situation. Are you saying that maybe Warren should have passed a couple of the states berths down to Cincy?

I do not think the Fury team had anything to do with the Tn version, but had some nice players, shortstop was a stud, was nice to defend Ohio against them trying to sneak up and steal a bid, like the Tennessee team did with the coin flip in Dayton.

I do not think any "Bid" should be given to any team for any reason other than winning last years event or winning a tournament that is designated as a Qualifier for that Bid, I do think the Bids should be passed down to other tournaments and teams should be given the opportunity to change their schedule to play in them to earn those bids, its hard to say who deserves the right to go, but everyone deserves the right to earn that Bid, and cards and coins have nothing to do with it.....

 

[DJB11]

Understood and congrats on your bid . That's a solid squad you have there. I too agree that Lenos is worthy of going but missed two opportunities because of rain. I'm hoping Warren recognizes this as well and sees fit to give Doug an "at-large". He has done a lot for the softball community and also had a good showing in the super pools at Scenic City. Those in the know - know he's a top team.
The Mason argument is a little harder for me to go with because they lost their first bracket game @ states. Were they in Cincy and if so how did they do? Are the results posted somewhere?

I am with Mason Thunder 99 and I see your point Run26. We had our chances and did not take proper advantage of them. I will say that we are always in our games and have beaten more than a few teams that have qualified ASA/USA as well as teams that should get a berth. We have not had a bad loss, but have lost games due to our own mistakes. We are made up solely of 99s so we will go compete at Eastern Nationals and hopefully get next year's ASA/USA 16U berth out of the way early.

 

[cjs]

Teams can have a berth passed down to them if the teams that finished above them decline it.

How many Ohio teams do you see on the list?

That's kinda why I'm puzzled, I don't see any of the teams that have won these bids, but I see a couple of teams that show no history of winning a bracket game, let alone a bid, and none of the teams on Run26's list are signed up yet, that's why I wonder if the list is accurate or not. Can you sign up for this tournament on the ASA Tournament page without a bid? I am assuming the check marks are paid entries and the hash marks are not paid yet, but that may not be correct either...... And if 10 teams all wanted bids from States and a couple teams that won the card game didn't want the bid how is determined who gets them, since there is no finishing order

 

[GeneralsDad]

IMHO...3 of the 9 will show well, 3 will finish middle of the pack, and 3 will finish early. The weather and the situations are what they are. The one thing that really bugs me though, is accepting a bid when you don't have enough players for your regular scheduled season, and looking for multiple players to carry you at nationals.

 

[Run26]

IMHO...3 of the 9 will show well, 3 will finish middle of the pack, and 3 will finish early. The weather and the situations are what they are. The one thing that really bugs me though, is accepting a bid when you don't have enough players for your regular scheduled season, and looking for multiple players to carry you at nationals.

Hows about a little no dog in race and no asked for Top 9 that have qualified poll for ya GD!

1. Static Blue
2. Lasers Red
3. Lasers Purple
4. MV Xpress Gold
5. Ohio Classics 99
6. Diamond Cix 99
7. HOH Rage (PA Berth)
8. Wizards
9. Blackhawks

 

[GeneralsDad]

In addition to the berths above, it looks like the other 2 teams from Ohio will be Ohio Edge Bearcraft, and Stingrays 99. Currently there are only 3 Ohio teams showing in a field of 108 teams. I'm sure the rest will filter in later.

 

[Run26]

That's kinda why I'm puzzled, I don't see any of the teams that have won these bids, but I see a couple of teams that show no history of winning a bracket game, let alone a bid, and none of the teams on Run26's list are signed up yet, that's why I wonder if the list is accurate or not. Can you sign up for this tournament on the ASA Tournament page without a bid? I am assuming the check marks are paid entries and the hash marks are not paid yet, but that may not be correct either...... And if 10 teams all wanted bids from States and a couple teams that won the card game didn't want the bid how is determined who gets them, since there is no finishing order

When my daughter was 16U (3 years ago) they won their berth at ASA State and it took a while for the ASA site to be updated accordingly. If I remember correctly, your region rep has to do some work on the berth paperwork before it can be sent in as well. I do remember at that time there were some additional Ohio teams listed early and they were later erased when the final field was set. I'm not sure how all the internet sign ups work but I do know you must have a qualifier cert (unlike regionals) sent into ASA to get into this tournament.

 

[flygirlsdad]

16U is interesting with 4 bids awarded via card draw at states. 14U is even murkier. As of 7--1 the only Ohio team listed for Salem, VA ASA USA is Cincy Swat who won a berth at a regional last year. 1 berth was given via card draw at states to HOH Nightmare. Lasers Green got a berth out of Pennsylvania. Ohio Storm won Dayton Metro. Stingrays Y2K got a berth with a second place finish at Queen City Ultimatess. OFC Heat skipped Orville and won Cincy Metro Red White and Blue to gain a berth. 2 berths were won by out of staters Turning 2 at Madness and Louisville Sluggers at Queen City. So that's 6 14U berths given out by Ohio this year with 2 going out of state and only 3 Ohio teams winning berths on Ohio fields this summer. Must be a lot of jockeying going on behind the scenes about now.