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mike_dyer

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For anyone just tuning in:

In this thread I've said that coaches shouldn't scream at kids they coach and that coaches ought to know the basic rules of the sport they coach. Popular opinion seems to be saying that I am wrong about those things.

On another thread I took the radical position that if you strike an object that is flying towards you on the bottom side it will likely change direction and ascend. The angle of ascent will depend upon the angle at which the object was struck. I think the problem here is with basic physics, not with me.

That's really all I can remember that's out there right now, but here's a little blast from the past. I've pointed out that 12 year olds don't get athletic scholarships and asked for someone to kindly present one if such a thing exists. I was called everything but an old guy with a bum knee for doing so.
 

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When I hear these things, I always go back to the basics and ask "does the coach pass the litmus test?" I think coaches should have to take some psychology training.


Source: Dr Alan Goldberg...
Just like you and me, no coach is perfect. And let?s face it, no matter how great a job a coach is doing, he or she will never be able to please everyone, all of the time. Thankfully, most are committed to doing all they can to provide a supportive, healthy environment where young athletes not only have the opportunity to build game skills, but also self esteem.

Unfortunately, however, by the time an athlete reaches adulthood, there is a good chance that he or she will come across one or two coaches whose ?teaching? styles may actually do more damage than good.
So, what separates a good coach from a bad coach? Everyone has their own opinion. However, here are 10 signs that a coach has definitely lost his or her way and strayed terribly far from the true mission of coaching.
1. You?re NOT a good coach when you call a player out in front of the team and embarrass him or her with negative comments that do nothing to explain what he or she is doing wrong. Before you make a comment to a player, ask yourself whether the comment is constructive. Will it help the child to understand exactly what he/she is doing wrong and what they need to do to fix it? Does it motivate the individual to want to work even harder to improve? Does it help that individual feel good about themselves? Good coaches use mistakes as an opportunity to help players get better, build skills and bolster self-esteem. Good coaches use their words to enhance a player?s experience of hockey ? not detract from it! Good coaches understand that they are working with a very valuable resource: the psychological and emotional well-being of a future generation!
2. You?re NOT a good coach if you think that your most important job as a coach is to win games. I don?t care what kind of pressure to win that you may feel. If winning is your primary goal as a coach, then you have significantly lost your way and, as a consequence, you?ll actually win less! Your mission as a coach is to teach young people and help them grow as individuals so that they become better people in the world, both on and off the ice. There are far more important things at stake here than whether a kid scores two goals, gets a game winning assist or correctly learns specific plays. Good coaches teach their athletes how to be better people in the world and they use hockey as nothing more than a vehicle for this lesson. The winning and losing outcomes are completely secondary to the teaching of valuable life lessons (playing as a team and sacrificing individual needs for the betterment of the team, handling adversity and failure, mastering fear and obstacles, working hard towards a faraway goal, learning to believe in yourself, being a good sport, playing by the rules, etc.).
3. You?re NOT a good coach when you place the outcome of a game or tournament in front of the physical and emotional welfare of your players. If you pressure your athletes to play when injured or if you demean and ignore those athletes who are too injured to play, then you are engaging in physical abuse. Encouraging your athletes to play hurt so that the team can win is reckless behaviour. When you do this, you are directly putting your players at risk. You are not teaching them to be mentally tough! Playing through pain is not a sign of strength. That is a ridiculous MYTH! Instead, it?s completely ignoring your body?s early warning signs that something is very wrong. Good coaches listen very carefully to their players when it comes to pain and injury. They err on the side of safety and never assume that a player is ?faking? when that athlete complains of an injury or pain. Good coaches truly understand that they are the guardians of their players? safety.
4. You?re NOT a good coach when you allow players on your team to demean each other or use each other as scapegoats. Good coaches create a safe learning environment for their athletes, both physically and emotionally. There is nothing safe about being on a team where teammates regularly criticize and yell at each other. There is nothing safe about being on a team when you are picked on or ostracized by your teammates. Good coaches understand that it is their responsibility to set very clear limits to prevent these kinds of ?team busting? behaviours, which leave preadolescent and adolescent athletes feeling psychologically unsafe.
5. You?re NOT a good coach when you play favorites. Coaches who play favorites go a long way towards creating performance-disrupting dissension on their squads. They collude with and encourage their athletes to turn on each other. Good coaches treat their athletes fairly. They don?t operate with two different sets of rules (i.e. one for the ?chosen few? and one for the rest of the team). Good coaches understand that coaching is education and each athlete on the team is equally important in this process.
6. You?re NOT a good coach when you tell your athletes that under no circumstances are they ever to tell their parents what really goes on in practice and that if they do, they are being disloyal and disrespectful to you as their coach, their teammates and the program. Coaches who tell their athletes these kinds of things are terribly misguided and are likely trying to hide their abusive behaviours. Good coaches will never ask you to do this. Instead, they create an open dialogue between their players, the parents and themselves. Good coaches understand the importance of honest communication and they are open to appropriate feedback from their players and parents.
7. You?re NOT a good coach when you treat your players with disrespect. I don?t care what your win-loss record is or how many championships you?ve won. When you treat preadolescent and adolescent athletes disrespectfully, then you are not a good coach. Great coaches don?t teach in this manner. They respect their students and make them feel valued ? both as learners and individuals. Good coaches build up, rather than tear down, their player?s self-esteem. They never demean them! Good coaches earn their respect from their players on a daily basis, over and over again, based on how they conduct themselves and how they interact with their athletes and everyone else associated with the program.
8. You?re NOT a good coach when you don?t ?walk the talk.? What you say to your players means nothing if it doesn?t come from who you are as a person. Simply put, your words have to closely match your behaviours. Good coaches are great role model that teach through their own behaviours. They don?t operate on a double standard where it?s OK for them to act one way, but hold their athletes to a different and higher standard.
9. You?re NOT a good coach when you refuse to take responsibility for your behaviour or when you refuse to own your mistakes and, instead, blame others for them. The mark of any great educator is that they present themselves as human. They do not let their ego get involved in the more important tasks of teaching and their student-athletes? learning. Therefore, when something goes wrong, they are quick to own their part in it. Good coaches take full responsibility for their team?s failures and give their team and athletes full responsibility for successes. Bad coaches blame their athletes for losses and take the credit for the team?s successes.
10. You?re NOT a good coach when you play ?head games? with your athletes. If you talk behind their backs, play one athlete against another, or are dishonest in your interactions with your players, then you are doing nothing constructive to help your players learn and grow as athletes and individuals. Putting a player down in hopes that he or she will rise to the occasion and prove you wrong is a head game! Similarly, telling a player one thing and then turning around and doing exactly the opposite is not good coaching. For example, promising a player more playing time if he/she does A, B and C, and then keeping them on the bench after they do everything you?ve just asked of them is a psychologically insidious game that will kill your athlete?s love for this sport, crush their spirit and destroy their confidence.
 

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For anyone just tuning in:

In this thread I've said that coaches shouldn't scream at kids they coach and that coaches ought to know the basic rules of the sport they coach. Popular opinion seems to be saying that I am wrong about those things.

Oh Michael , Michael, Michael - Don't you understand once a man is anointed COACH he becomes infallible in the eyes of all who follow? His harsh words are as if kisses on the ears of all that hear.

On another thread I took the radical position that if you strike an object that is flying towards you on the bottom side it will likely change direction and ascend. The angle of ascent will depend upon the angle at which the object was struck. I think the problem here is with basic physics, not with me.

And Michael - This witch craft you call Physics must be abolished - we all know that the ball carries from the bat on the will and good intention of the coach - that is why he must use the magic incantation "You got it now kid" - "You got it" repeated three times that and only that will cause the ball to bound - You can tell the favor of the coach by whom he choose to bestow these "hits" upon

That's really all I can remember that's out there right now, but here's a little blast from the past. I've pointed out that 12 year olds don't get athletic scholarships and asked for someone to kindly present one if such a thing exists. I was called everything but an old guy with a bum knee for doing so.

As for Scholerships you are nothing but an old guy with a bum knee if you don't belive my 5th grader has a scholership sewn up


So be gone with you -
 
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The above is to be considered Comedy and is NOT to be taken literaly - It was a simple Parody, it is more correctly considered a Farce - Since the comedic elements are SO over the top as to be Unbelievable
Thank you
 

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Didnt read all 7 pages but I can believe ANYTHING .. I spent weeks telling a buddy there is no way something was going on with a softball team I know , no possible way , and by golly the nut job he was telling about turned out to be just as nuts as he said she was . Never say you have seen it all .
 

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Along the same lines about crazy coaching stories . Was told a coach went BERZERK on a couple players from her team for swinging successfully at the first pitch late in a game , 1st singled , 2nd singled and the 3rd batter homered to tie a game , was told the coach went berzerk on the 3 after the game . Threatened to never play them again . That part of the story is verified with video ! currently on you tube
 
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Ummmm,,,,

This wasn't my kid or my kid's team, my kid bunts all the time, and I told the let's lynch the coach commidiots that they have the coach they deserve and that I wouldn't participate.

Ever get tired of being wrong about everything you say?

Whatever!

From the Urban Dictionary:
When someone (Commidiot) on a committee or the entire committee (Commidiots) cannot make up their mind or their minds on anything.
Either there is one person who holds the entire committee back as they want to feel superior and tell people what to do because they are a control freak and need to stroke their own ego.

Or the entire committee can't come to a conclusion about what the hell it is they want, need or have to accomplish. Usually with time constraints attached, this is when commidiots shine the brightest.

Sounds like someone we know?
 

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For anyone just tuning in:

In this thread I've said that coaches shouldn't scream at kids they coach and that coaches ought to know the basic rules of the sport they coach. Popular opinion seems to be saying that I am wrong about those things.

On another thread I took the radical position that if you strike an object that is flying towards you on the bottom side it will likely change direction and ascend. The angle of ascent will depend upon the angle at which the object was struck. I think the problem here is with basic physics, not with me.

That's really all I can remember that's out there right now, but here's a little blast from the past. I've pointed out that 12 year olds don't get athletic scholarships and asked for someone to kindly present one if such a thing exists. I was called everything but an old guy with a bum knee for doing so.
No, consensus suggest that the vast majority of posters who have made statements in this thread think the OP is BS.
 

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This is from post #61:
For anyone just tuning in:
In this thread I've said that coaches shouldn't scream at kids they coach and that coaches ought to know the basic rules of the sport they coach. Popular opinion seems to be saying that I am wrong about those things.

This is from the OP:

...The problem was he had given her the home run sign and she only hit a double.....

The OP was about a player who only hit a double after getting the "home run" sign from the coach.

We all agreed, the coach running on the field and screaming at the hitter was inappropriate, not one post sided with the coaches actions. Although, most posts agreed, a player chronically missing signs would be frustrating.
 
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Come on, man ... how can you summarize the replies to your original post like that ... if Trump wants to double down with a running mate, I think you'd be a good choice ...
 

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No, consensus suggest that the vast majority of posters who have made statements in this thread think the OP is BS.

Right.

Could you please translate "The coach is justified" from the language you were posting in to English please?
 

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We all agreed, the coach running on the field and screaming at the hitter was inappropriate, not one post sided with the coaches actions. Although, most posts agreed, a player chronically missing signs would be frustrating.

You must speak the same language as the person who said "the coach is justified" but actually meant something else.

Would you be so kind as to translate it.

Thanks in advance.
 

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Come on, man ... how can you summarize the replies to your original post like that ... if Trump wants to double down with a running mate, I think you'd be a good choice ...

Right.

I'm telling fibs about people,,,,,,,, by quoting them verbatim....
 

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Along the same lines about crazy coaching stories . Was told a coach went BERZERK on a couple players from her team for swinging successfully at the first pitch late in a game , 1st singled , 2nd singled and the 3rd batter homered to tie a game , was told the coach went berzerk on the 3 after the game . Threatened to never play them again . That part of the story is verified with video ! currently on you tube

My kid hit a ball last night that got caught over the fence by the center fielder.

Was a great shot, was a great catch by CF.

As she rounded 1st the base coach said "You need to stop swinging at the 1st pitch!"
 

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Right.

Could you please translate "The coach is justified" from the language you were posting in to English please?

Sure I can because I called the post BS from the start. I also laid out a scenario much more realistic than yours about a player who constantly ignores doing what the coach ask of them. Mike, you must have never played nor been competitive. If you were, you would know that "getting yelled at" is a part of every sport right or wrong. I am a "yeller" myself. I am also a winner. I win because my players buy in to what I do. I am also the most popular teacher and coach in my school district despite being a "yeller."

As an example of what my players think about me:

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/high...cle_b49aeefa-1155-11e6-bcc9-e3a93cfa138a.html
 

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I am also a winner.

And proud we all are of you.

Everyone clap.

I highly doubt I would put her on your team to begin with, but if my kid played for you and you called time to scream in her face in the middle of a game, for any reason short of her doing something completely disrespectful like spitting in your face as she rounded 1st, she wouldn't play for you anymore.

I'm absolutely certain that she's walked away from better coaches for far less.
 

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Once upon a time my kid went to her homecoming dance. Homecoming happened to fall on one day of a showcase. Not just hers, around 4 kids on the team. The coach told me "I see where her commitment lies" and then he sent his own kid off at the same time as my kid left to go to her own homecoming.

So the next day she gets in the batters box. Reminder it's one of these idiotic "showcases." He calls time before the 1st pitch and puts in another batter.

That's right, wasn't bating the whole line up either. Looking back I'm pretty sure that was by design so he could make his point.

Last game she played for him.

I'm pretty sure he was better at this than you are, and I never read a single post on here from him puffing up about how great he is.
 

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By the way, JB et al.

In case you haven't noticed you've allied yourselves with someone who screams in kid's faces in the middle of a game. It means he's competitive and also a winner. He's also a great coach. A very great and humble coach.

Run to him, fellas. He's all yours.
 

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