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Love Billy Bob. That ugly dude got Angelina Jolie.

Here's my take on the whole discussion.

The difference between the opposing thoughts here comes down to politics.

Democrats are the Lenin & Lennon loving liberal socialists who want the government, coaches, teachers, neighbors to be all up in their business doing as much as possible for them so they don't have to. Little personal responsibility. Have the gov handle my health care, let only the bad guys have guns, slaughter innocent babies but keep death row inmates alive, spend my money better than me, tax a lot and spend even more, tell us what to think and what to do. Have coaches, teachers and social workers as an equal part of the family. Little importance to traditional families. Sport coaches should help raise our children because families can't handle it.

Republicans are the party of Jefferson, Lincoln, Reagan and John Wayne. Conservative true AMERICAN values. Liberty and Inalienable rights. Protect the unborn lives. Smaller government, less taxes, individual freedom, personal responsibility, family is the focus of life, families raise their own children.

Notice the republican paragraph is smaller too!

So this whole thread is a argument about politics disguised as being about a kids sport. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

NOW I know Les won't but don't anybody else take this to seriously. Seriously.
Just have'n fun. :cap:

Now that's funny.

 

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good OL' MUSTY! Nooooow he flips the script...

 

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Love Billy Bob. That ugly dude got Angelina Jolie.

Here's my take on the whole discussion.

The difference between the opposing thoughts here comes down to politics.

Democrats are the Lenin & Lennon loving liberal socialists who want the government, coaches, teachers, neighbors to be all up in their business doing as much as possible for them so they don't have to. Little personal responsibility. Have the gov handle my health care, let only the bad guys have guns, slaughter innocent babies but keep death row inmates alive, spend my money better than me, tax a lot and spend even more, tell us what to think and what to do. Have coaches, teachers and social workers as an equal part of the family. Little importance to traditional families. Sport coaches should help raise our children because families can't handle it.

Republicans are the party of Jefferson, Lincoln, Reagan and John Wayne. Conservative true AMERICAN values. Liberty and Inalienable rights. Protect the unborn lives. Smaller government, less taxes, individual freedom, personal responsibility, family is the focus of life, families raise their own children.

Notice the republican paragraph is smaller too!

So this whole thread is a argument about politics disguised as being about a kids sport. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

NOW I know Les won't but don't anybody else take this to seriously. Seriously.
Just have'n fun. :cap:

That is flippin halarious! Whether you were just havin fun or not you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

 

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It is up to the kid to market themselves, but Myself and Hitter23 feel it is also important for the coaches to Market the kids as well........ lets face it there are times a college coach can talk to a coach at a game that he or she could never talk to the player so it helps.
We also take time to contact coaches and ask what positions they are looking to tie down for certain years.So as not to waste the players time and effort, nor the college coach.
We also build a history with these coaches and it helps in the recruiting process for future players.
The more college coaches we speak to the more word gets around..... college coaches know and talk to one another and will sometimes call us from info given them by other coaches about certain players.

Parental responsibility is key .......... If you have a kid that struggles at home due to family issues, that is a shame and I would hope that the player dosent take those issues with them to the college level.

No child should be cast off, that was not what my statement said...... my belief is and always be, single parent or not your child is your responsibility,If they come from an environment where it is that bad at home and seek out other forms of help than yes the coach should do all in his or her power to help that young person achieve their goals. The difficulty is at that level parental involvement is critical and if the parent dosent give a hoot then the kids chances of getting to their goals are pretty slim......... not impossible but slim

Tim

I agree completely about coaches having some involvement in recruiting. And I respect what you do for your players.

I agree that parent responsibility is key. The kids that struggle the most in school and in life come from terrible home situations. The kids that struggles because of family issues will absolutely take those issues with them wherever they go in the future unless someone else steps in. I do not think the chances are slim.

We probably agree on more than we think, I just got confused by your statement of "Its your child, her future and as a parent your responsibility........ period." I think I misinterpeted it.

 

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In reading all these opinions, I am convinced that "travel" ball has officially split into two directions. There are the teams that have moved from rec. leagues into "travel ball", I would assume just for the enjoyment of the "travel experience", and not really any intention of playing beyond 18u or high school. This is a bonus for the sport, for it provides a venue for kids to play at a more competitive level than rec. Coaches of these teams really have no reason to be concerned about the academics of the team members. What difference does it make?

Then you have the travel teams that would be more accurately described today as college showcase teams. These teams are focused on providing college exposure to their team members, generally play in college exposure invitational tournaments, and grades are a significant part of this recruiting process. As Boulder said, these coaches are usually in frequent contact with many college coaches. This networking process is vital to kids who have the desire, athletic skills and academics to play college ball. And if all that is in your favor, why not use it to pay for your college education?

Report cards or not, there is a place for every type of player.

 

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Sammy, you have added a voice of reason to this confusing thread. What you say makes sense though I would say teams are probably a combination of the two with them leaning towards one of these directions. Some more than others.

 

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It took me about a half hour + to read through all of this. I understand both sides of the argument, but Sammy really summed it up nicely with distinguishing between the different levels of teams and long term expectations. But still, I didn't read anything about the student with learning disabilities. There are many current and former college players who fall under this category and they are some of the best players.

Academics are important, sports are important, maturity is important, but these aren't everything. We still need to let our DDs just be kids/teens........with their attitudes, problems, mistakes, joys and heartaches. Our job is to teach them how to be a smart responsible adult (when its time) without stressing them out completely in the mean time.

When we were 14, X amount of years ago, how many of us were thinking (and working towards) what we were going to be/do when we were 19?

 

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Love Billy Bob. That ugly dude got Angelina Jolie.

Republicans are the party of Jefferson, Lincoln, Reagan and John Wayne. Conservative true AMERICAN values. Liberty and Inalienable rights. Protect the unborn lives. Smaller government, less taxes, individual freedom, personal responsibility, family is the focus of life, families raise their own children.

Dude - Jefferson was a democrat!!! But I am tipping my drink with you to Billy Bob, you have to appreciate his skills....

 

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Dude - Jefferson was a democrat!!! But I am tipping my drink with you to Billy Bob, you have to appreciate his skills....

Sorry not true and it has been argued for years, this is a great place to continue it. :lmao:

From WikiAnswers:
Jefferson was a Republican...period.

Jefferson NEVER referred to himself as a "Democratic Republican" and certainly not a Democrat. He referred to himself and his party as "Republican." This is fact...the "Democratic Republican" term is falsehood created later by the Democrat Party in order to claim Jefferson as one of their. That being said, the Republican Party of the Jefferson's day is not the same one that exists today, but Jefferson's ideals are clearly more in line with today's Republican party than that of the Democrats. Jefferson and his followers favored states' rights and a strict interpretation of the Constitution. They believed that a powerful central government posed a threat to individual liberties. They viewed the United States more as a confederation of sovereign entities woven together by a common interest. This is what Republicans and conservatives believe today. Hamilton (a Federalist), and his followers argued that a strong central government was essential to the unity of the new nation. They favored a broad interpretation of the Constitution, which they saw as a document that should evolve with the country as it grew. This is EXACTLY what Democrats believe in today.

I am not arguing in favor of one of these viewpoints over the other, but it is clearly intellectually dishonest for anyone to claim that Jefferson was anything but a Republican. His own words state "I am a Republican." Need we say more?

From Wikipedia:

The Democratic-Republican Party or Jeffersonian Republican Party are the names political scientists and historians, respectively, use--for the American political party founded in the early 1790s by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Members typically called themselves "Republicans."

And now you know.....the rest of the story

 

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Sorry not true and it has been argued for years, this is a great place to continue it. :lmao:

From WikiAnswers:
Jefferson was a Republican...period.

Jefferson NEVER referred to himself as a "Democratic Republican" and certainly not a Democrat. He referred to himself and his party as "Republican." This is fact...the "Democratic Republican" term is falsehood created later by the Democrat Party in order to claim Jefferson as one of their. That being said, the Republican Party of the Jefferson's day is not the same one that exists today, but Jefferson's ideals are clearly more in line with today's Republican party than that of the Democrats. Jefferson and his followers favored states' rights and a strict interpretation of the Constitution. They believed that a powerful central government posed a threat to individual liberties. They viewed the United States more as a confederation of sovereign entities woven together by a common interest. This is what Republicans and conservatives believe today. Hamilton (a Federalist), and his followers argued that a strong central government was essential to the unity of the new nation. They favored a broad interpretation of the Constitution, which they saw as a document that should evolve with the country as it grew. This is EXACTLY what Democrats believe in today.

I am not arguing in favor of one of these viewpoints over the other, but it is clearly intellectually dishonest for anyone to claim that Jefferson was anything but a Republican. His own words state "I am a Republican." Need we say more?

From Wikipedia:

The Democratic-Republican Party or Jeffersonian Republican Party are the names political scientists and historians, respectively, use--for the American political party founded in the early 1790s by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Members typically called themselves "Republicans."

And now you know.....the rest of the story

This would be a good thread for the politics forum. As a historian, I generally stay away from Wiki, but in this case they basically got it right.

 

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Nope, he was a duh-duh-duh-democrat...I don't think they were called democrats, but he is considered the father of democratics due to his philosophies...remember Clinton was praised for being a Jeffersonian democrat....good discussion regardless....

 

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Nope, he was a duh-duh-duh-democrat...I don't think they were called democrats, but he is considered the father of democratics due to his philosophies...remember Clinton was praised for being a Jeffersonian democrat....good discussion regardless....

Which were those?

 

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Grades and Female sports, it's not like boys sports (football). Girls are really pressured to perform in the classroom if they want to be playing sports in College. If a kid is academically inelligible to play school sports, team coach makes them inelligble to participate in travel ball with dd's team.
One difference I notice from when I played sports, parents back then discussed the entire team and who is the stand out with little mention of how good their kid is. Today most, not all, discuss how good "THEIR" kid is and no team can make it without her. I hear so much in the stands about MINE, MINE, MINE, that it drives me crazy. I feel I have a talented kid, but I cant bring myself to discuss some of the stuff I hear, or to not say "are you watching the same game I am"? It's nice to brag about your dd, but today it goes way overboard, JMO!!

 

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Which were those?

You got me, I guess the democrats that most followed the Jerffersonian philosophy....

..but I think the founding fathers would agree that grades are important

 

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Nope, he was a duh-duh-duh-democrat...I don't think they were called democrats, but he is considered the father of democratics due to his philosophies...remember Clinton was praised for being a Jeffersonian democrat....good discussion regardless....

You have it backwards. He philosophies were conservative republican but his actions sometimes went against those principals like owning slaves. He said he was against it but did it. The Louisiana Purchase was another that went against his less government principal. They called Clinton a Jeffersonian Democrat because he said one thing and did another.

 

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I have started something new this year with my 14u travel team and wanted to get everyone's opinion. This fall, winter and spring I have made it mandatory for my girls to bring there interim reports and there grade cards to practice so that we can review them and to make sure they are preparing themselves for the next level.

Most travel teams have girls that wanna play at the next level so I think as coaches it is not only our responsibility to help them get better on the field, but off the field as well. The first question asked by ALL college coaches is how well does she do in the classroom. I believe this may help my girls understand a little more about how much emphasis is put on education.

Ohio Glory 14u
Chad Lytle

I agree that educating players on the value of good grades, high ACT/SAT scores, etc... is part of the job of the travel coach. I also agree that the most effective way to do that is to have the players hear it right from the college coaches. And yes, as a coach you need to be informed as to how a player performs acedemically (which is typically explained and communicated on the players profile sheet).

But I don't make a connection between mandating report cards being turned in and helping them get better acedemically.

For example, from one quarter to the next when an English grade slips from an A to a B, is there anything being done to help it get back to an A - other than saying "I see your English slipped, lets get that back up to an A"? In college when a coach reviews grades, they have access to resources like tutors, sport-friendly professors, etc... to help a player stay/get back on track. I am assuming not so for the travel coach.

If as a coach, you feel that a player (or players) is disadvantaged (either by a lack of parental involvement, financially, etc...) I could see where you might take a special interest and play the role of more of an additional 'parental' figure. But if that isn't the case, I think you need to stay focused on the things you can actually improve/change.

 

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When we were 14, X amount of years ago, how many of us were thinking (and working towards) what we were going to be/do when we were 19?

me, I wanted to be like Rambo, and did by jining the Marines. Also wanted to play with numbers, and that is what I do now.

 

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You have it backwards. He philosophies were conservative republican but his actions sometimes went against those principals like owning slaves. He said he was against it but did it. The Louisiana Purchase was another that went against his less government principal. They called Clinton a Jeffersonian Democrat because he said one thing and did another.

Ugh...Jefferson's democratic-republican party name was changed to just democrat by Jackson, the democratic party traces it's lineage to Jefferson. He did not go against his principles, he wanted states to make their own minds up about slavery, he had no problem owning slaves or anyone else owning them, the Louisiana purchase was a concern for him because the constitution (which he wrote) had no guidelines regarding acquisition of land, not because of government increasing-he wanted a strong, central gov't.

I think this is a perfect example of the importance of grades in softball, yes, yes??

 

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Ugh...Jefferson's democratic-republican party name was changed to just democrat by Jackson, the democratic party traces it's lineage to Jefferson. He did not go against his principles, he wanted states to make their own minds up about slavery, he had no problem owning slaves or anyone else owning them, the Louisiana purchase was a concern for him because the constitution (which he wrote) had no guidelines regarding acquisition of land, not because of government increasing-he wanted a strong, central gov't.

I think this is a perfect example of the importance of grades in softball, yes, yes??

Some historians may trace the origins to Jefferson, but most agree that is not correct. After the election of 1816, the Federalist party broke up as a national party and the Democratic-Republican Party broke into several groups. Jackson's democratic party started to form around the 1824 election and got Jackson in office in 28. It would be the 30's when it was able to make itself an effective national party. The Democratic party would split again in the 1850's over the issue of slavery. Northern democrats help to form the Republican party with members of the Whig party.
Jefferson wanted Louisiana before the French offered it. The US had agreements with Spain who controlled New Orleans. The Spanish suspended those agreements and transferred control to the French in a treaty. Jefferson was weary of Napoleon wanting an empire in America and got 2 mil from congress to purchase the east bank of the Mississippi. Napoleon decided to sell it all with war pending with the British.

 

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:lmao: ok, ya got me...I still think it is very important for college showcase type teams to emphasize the importance of grades for college bound players....