College Softball Expectations

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... There are girls playing college ball that will step on your throat to get in the starting line up. You better bring your "A" game everyday especially as an underclassman.

:confused: Even the upperclassmen need to bring it because other players, including the new ones, are out for their playing time. Worst thing for a player in college, HS or TB is to think their role on the team is secure because of last year's performance. They also better not think being #2 on the depth chart the prior year means they'll become #1 after that player graduates.
 
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I hope my post here as a college coach (D2 head coach) will be of some help to girls during the recruiting process, and especially when they get to college. I suspect a majority of college coaches will agree with my general theme here, but we all might differ on some details. If there are any other college coaches reading this who don't want to post in their name and who wish to add something or differ from my opinion, message me and I will post it anonymously for you.

When you agree to accept money for a softball scholarship - or for that matter agree to be on any college team, even without a scholarship - you are entering the adult world. Up until now your softball world has been all about you. We read it here on OFC all the time... "it's all about the girls." In college, it's not just about you. It's also about me. It's about the assistant coaches. It's even about the Athletic Director. This is our full-time job, our livelihood. As coaches, our job is to make the Athletic Director happy, as that is who is employing us and paying us. Your job is to make the coaches happy, not the other way around. If you arrive with a sense of entitlement, things are not likely to go well for you. You do not get to play just because you are you.

You have probably always been a stud on your high school team and possibly your travel team. You are now on a team full of studs, all competing for playing time. If you are not mentally ready to compete for playing time, you will wilt under the pressure. If you make excuses such as, "I haven't been given a fair chance and there is too much pressure to get a hit or make every play or else I won't play," you are headed down the road to oblivion. When you get an opportunity to show what you can do, you need to be prepared. The last thing most of us want to hear is that "this isn't fair." We do not have rosters of 12 and we don't rotate lineups like travel teams might do. We do not start over with a new tournament next week, so every game matters and is permanent. If your team isn't winning, your head coach and the assistants are going to be stressed and are probably going to have a hard time hiding it, no matter how much they might try. Their jobs are constantly on the line. Like anybody else in the adult world, their lives are turned upside down if they get fired. While providing a good overall college experience is a big factor for coaches in keeping their jobs, winning is still at the top of the list, no matter what else you might hear. This is less true at D3, but pressure to win is still a part of the equation for those coaches.

When you go on unofficial and official visits, keep in mind it's a two-way street. If all that is on your mind is finding out what the school and softball program can do for you, you are missing a critical piece of the puzzle. While we are trying to sell you on our school and program, we are also trying to determine what you can do for us. This is a job interview. Are you prepared? Have you done your homework on our school and softball program? Are you engaged in our discussion? Do your parents let you speak? Are your parents going to be a pain in my rear end, particularly if you end up sitting bench? Are you going to be coachable, especially when you disagree with the coaches? Are you going to be coachable, ESPECIALLY when you disagree with the coaches? (repeated on purpose). A "No" on that last question makes you easily expendable. Will you be a good fit for our staff's coaching style? Do you make eye contact or are you off in outer space when me and my assistant are talking to you? Are you respectful toward your parents?

Having said all of this, I contend that college athletics are the most fun for a competitor, despite all the pressure. In fact, it is because of the pressure. The games matter. Wins and losses are felt. If you aren't affected at least temporarily by a win or a loss in college, you probably haven't invested enough in your sport. Perspective is one thing, but indifference is quite another.

Finally, here is a summary of what at least I expect. First, you will act like an adult and not a high school kid and will represent our school and team with class. Second, you will give 100% in practice and be coachable and supportive of teammates. Third, you will get the best grades you possibly can. And finally, you will be willing to compete and not bring that dreaded sense of entitlement. In return, I will be dedicated and the best coach I can be.

Post of the year.
 
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Steeler's fan won't tell you this but his daughter is one of the most prolific players to ever come out of Ohio and is currently playing for the University of Tennessee. That's D1 at the highest level.

Would that girl be the pitcher that won the state title game two years ago and went to the finals lats year from Poland .
 
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Great post Joe! Seeing what our one has to do for her education choice, she made the right choice not playing. There's no way she'd be able to do 3 or 4 days of 8 hr clinicals, that location changes every six weeks, last six in Chilicothe..... If the kids find their fit and can manage it, it's awesome to be able to play four more years. But don't chase the brass ring just to chase it, really look if you can manage it, because it is a career for the coaches and expectations to win are bottom line.
 
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You can always go into to college expecting one thing, but life has a funny way of giving you something totally different. DD first year she had to have surgery on her leg during xmas break for conpartment symdrome so it put her behind were she wanted to be. This year she came into the school year focused and determined to get her starting position,but just this week she got a partial tear of her PCL in the same leg she had surgery on last year. She will have her MRI on monday hoping for the best. So sometimes in college your dealing with coaches, teamates,classes and injuries. Life sometimes throws you curve balls, just be prepared for anything.
 
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You can always go into to college expecting one thing, but life has a funny way of giving you something totally different. DD first year she had to have surgery on her leg during xmas break for conpartment symdrome so it put her behind were she wanted to be. This year she came into the school year focused and determined to get her starting position,but just this week she got a partial tear of her PCL in the same leg she had surgery on last year. She will have her MRI on monday hoping for the best. So sometimes in college your dealing with coaches, teamates,classes and injuries. Life sometimes throws you curve balls, just be prepared for anything.

sorry to hear that. I hope she gets good news and makes a speedy full recovery.
 
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Another thing that you are going to have to prepare for as parents are the phone calls. They come for several reasons. Sickness is tough. You are not there with them and they are throwing up ... We had to go get our dd last year, in season, take her to the emergency room where we stayed all night. We finally got in at about 5 in the morning and then, they actually saw her at around 7. We left around 8 and dd went to practice and school. I still don't know how she did that. This year, school had to take her to the emergency room for xrays because she was hit by a line drive. I hate those phone calls. A friend of our had his daughter call. His dd is going to school in Iowa. I live near St. Louis. His dd asked if he and his wife could come up, do the laundry, clean the apartment, and cook a home cooked meal. She is such a good kid and would never have asked this if she was not inundated with work. The phone call from the first week is sometimes tough as well. My dd lifted with the strength and conditioning coach at her school all summer. Did the plyometric work with him all summer... and so was ready this year. Last year, as a freshman, she just could not believe how tired she was. Of course, you will get the frustration phone call. This might concern all kinds of things including the dd's roomate, her professors, not knowing where to go to get whatever they need, ... I hated the boyfriend call. That could go both gained one or lost one. Ours lost one and after 3 years of dating, it was tough. Of course he did it while she was in season. I'm sure others can offer more phone call experiences.

Coach Joe, thanks for the post. It is good to hear from a college coach.

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One thing I think is real important about the college experience and this comes as a parent and a former player. You have to do your best to fit your child with the coach's personality. In our case, our dd believes she can talk to her coach about anything. As a parent, that is important. Some of the things my dd has called home about, she has also sat down with her coach and discussed.
 
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Great post Joe. Great advice for any girl wanting to play college softball at any level.
 
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I hope my post here as a college coach (D2 head coach) will be of some help to girls during the recruiting process, and especially when they get to college. I suspect a majority of college coaches will agree with my general theme here, but we all might differ on some details. If there are any other college coaches reading this who don't want to post in their name and who wish to add something or differ from my opinion, message me and I will post it anonymously for you.

When you agree to accept money for a softball scholarship - or for that matter agree to be on any college team, even without a scholarship - you are entering the adult world. Up until now your softball world has been all about you. We read it here on OFC all the time... "it's all about the girls." In college, it's not just about you. It's also about me. It's about the assistant coaches. It's even about the Athletic Director. This is our full-time job, our livelihood. As coaches, our job is to make the Athletic Director happy, as that is who is employing us and paying us. Your job is to make the coaches happy, not the other way around. If you arrive with a sense of entitlement, things are not likely to go well for you. You do not get to play just because you are you.

You have probably always been a stud on your high school team and possibly your travel team. You are now on a team full of studs, all competing for playing time. If you are not mentally ready to compete for playing time, you will wilt under the pressure. If you make excuses such as, "I haven't been given a fair chance and there is too much pressure to get a hit or make every play or else I won't play," you are headed down the road to oblivion. When you get an opportunity to show what you can do, you need to be prepared. The last thing most of us want to hear is that "this isn't fair." We do not have rosters of 12 and we don't rotate lineups like travel teams might do. We do not start over with a new tournament next week, so every game matters and is permanent. If your team isn't winning, your head coach and the assistants are going to be stressed and are probably going to have a hard time hiding it, no matter how much they might try. Their jobs are constantly on the line. Like anybody else in the adult world, their lives are turned upside down if they get fired. While providing a good overall college experience is a big factor for coaches in keeping their jobs, winning is still at the top of the list, no matter what else you might hear. This is less true at D3, but pressure to win is still a part of the equation for those coaches.

When you go on unofficial and official visits, keep in mind it's a two-way street. If all that is on your mind is finding out what the school and softball program can do for you, you are missing a critical piece of the puzzle. While we are trying to sell you on our school and program, we are also trying to determine what you can do for us. This is a job interview. Are you prepared? Have you done your homework on our school and softball program? Are you engaged in our discussion? Do your parents let you speak? Are your parents going to be a pain in my rear end, particularly if you end up sitting bench? Are you going to be coachable, especially when you disagree with the coaches? Are you going to be coachable, ESPECIALLY when you disagree with the coaches? (repeated on purpose). A "No" on that last question makes you easily expendable. Will you be a good fit for our staff's coaching style? Do you make eye contact or are you off in outer space when me and my assistant are talking to you? Are you respectful toward your parents?

Having said all of this, I contend that college athletics are the most fun for a competitor, despite all the pressure. In fact, it is because of the pressure. The games matter. Wins and losses are felt. If you aren't affected at least temporarily by a win or a loss in college, you probably haven't invested enough in your sport. Perspective is one thing, but indifference is quite another.

Finally, here is a summary of what at least I expect. First, you will act like an adult and not a high school kid and will represent our school and team with class. Second, you will give 100% in practice and be coachable and supportive of teammates. Third, you will get the best grades you possibly can. And finally, you will be willing to compete and not bring that dreaded sense of entitlement. In return, I will be dedicated and the best coach I can be.


I totally agree, Best post of the year. Great information for all the young ladies and parents. Thanks Joe
 
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Those of you who have daughters away at college will realize after they graduate that the college experience is the beginning of the "weaning process". Your daughter has now reached full fledged adult status. Even if she moves back home for a time after graduation, which most do these days, you will realize that her "going away to college" was the beginning of her young adult life.

You will get calls from college - mine survived a fire in her apartment, various sicknesses, and other things that "kids get into" - so yes, we got those calls from college. But as parents, guess what? When your daughter is 35 and you get a phone call from her, you will respond the exact same way. The age does not matter, because she will always be your daughter. When she is sick, you will want to comfort her. When she is hurt or depressed, you will want to do everything in your power to help her. That is what loving and caring parents do! The separation that occurs between parents and child when the child becomes an adult does not change any of that. My mother is about to turn 81 years old, and I KNOW she feels the same way about her children as I do about mine.

A little off the topic of softball, but relevant to the whole process. We always talk about how we want the "softball experience" to be more than just about the game. You will realize when your daughter completes her short college playing career, and returns home to begin her new life that it was definitely about more than just softball.
 
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My Expectation-- never changes for my kids- to excel in classroom(1st priority), and to compete and give 100% in athletics. To represent our family name (Asian in me).

DD's expectation-- to finish school with chosen profession (1st priority). Thankful for chance to compete at their chosen school. Willingness to work for team to succeed and to compete as hard as they can to win a starting position (if they don't, it's not the end of the world).

Coaches expectation-- see JOeA's comment, it is their job to get most out of team and to win.

**I have always told my kids (especially my DD's) if you are not happy, you can't make anybody else happy.

I don't want my DD do things only to please others, rather their effort and expectation meets or exceeds others and at the end of their career there are memories which will last a lifetime (good and bad).
 
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WHen my Dd was in grade school, college softball sounded awesome. Highschool pretty much the same, and all those years of travel ball.
Now that she is there, turned down some scholarships to smaller schools to go for the best nursing program and the school she thought has a pretty campus.
She is smarter than I. She made the right choice.

She still plays travel club ball. They play 10-15 other D-1 schools that are filled with ex travel girls. Pretty competetive.
She is having fun playing softball, really enjoys it and working on a nursing degree.
With all the clinicals and going to different hospitals, a full time softball program would be very tuff to handle.

I tip my hat off to the girls that do both.



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Joe, I read your post to our team today before our game. All of it. Thanks for sharing. It opened up a great discussion. The ladies were intently listening. Again, thanks for your experienced insight! I've also copied and pasted it to our private "group" page in Facebook for them to go back and reflect upon in the future.
 
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Lester, I'm glad it maybe helped. I have a picture in my head of a dozen girls sitting there thinking "omg, who is this nut."
 
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Lester, I'm glad it maybe helped. I have a picture in my head of a dozen girls sitting there thinking "omg, who is this nut."

well after having most of them for 5-6 years they know I'm "straight-jacket" certifiable!

In all seriousness, we share this type of stuff with them on a regular basis. College exposure isn't just stating "we are going to GAPSS, Stingrays, or where ever" and that's it. Actually had a great talk and then they went and played well. With young ladies you never know how they interpret stuff from us crazy coaches and sometimes the most innocent of comments can be taken off into an unpredicted path. I felt lucky to be able to pass on such strong, clear, and important information. Thanks again!
 
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As a whole, I would imagine about 80% of the girls playing elite softball have hopes of playing softball at the collegiate level. Some will make D1 while others will be best suited for D2 or D3. Catching the eye of a college coach these days can prove extremely difficult and sometimes never happens. Be sure to tell your daughters that life doesn't end just because her scholarship never becomes reality.

For those of us with a daughter(s) playing in college I'm sure we all speak from the same experiences. This is an extremely difficult endeavor and one that should be thought through thoroughly. This time of year can be taxing on student athletes as they prepare for early Spring schedules as well as learning to study while on the road.

Just this week, my daughter phoned us in a panic because she was informed she has 4 tests in 2 days. Usually, this would already be a heavy load to prepare for but you also have to add in the 2 practices a day. Requesting to skip practice isn't usually an option so these ladies spend many hours under lamps while others on campus enjoy their sleep. Add in the distance from home and sometimes it proves to be too much.

Be sure to tell your daughters that loving the game now can sometimes change down the road when it becomes more of a "job" mentality. There will be ebbs and flows and some sad calls homes. Ensure her that over time this will get easier and that she will adapt. If she's attending the school as a scholar-athlete there are people at the institution that have full confidence she can do it and so should she. Confindence and elite performance put her in this position and she should lean on it to get her through the tough times.

Be a listening board for your daughters. They are calling you to receive advice and sometimes just have someone to vent on. Sometimes they won't always get along with their teammates or coaches but they know they can talk to you. Remember they are out there alone in this big world and at times they think everything is going wrong. This too will pass and most of the time it happens in a matter of minutes.

With all the less than perfect scenarios you will encounter......there is NOTHING like the look you'll get when they touch the dirt in early Spring. These are competetive girls and they will finally be in their element. Sit back, enjoy it and remind her that this is why she spent all of those worrisome hours as a collge ball player.
I don't get on here and respond but this is a very nice article. Every pad rent and athlete should read this. Thank you
 
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Today DD caught up with one of her old teammates with Ohio Ice, brings smile to my face. One of those nice unexpected surprises.:yahoo:
 
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This was a very good read, and very good advice. My dd is in her senior year of high school. She has played competitive travel softball for the past 6 years and will play her 7th year this summer,

She, and I'm sure many other, college bound seniors are going through the same thing as she is right now. She has been to several college visits, several over nighters with the team, and many a discussion with college softball coaches about their programs and their take on the importance of academics. Her 17 year old head is spinning. She sat down and tried to do pros and cons and broke down crying. This is a very stressful time for her. She has at least 3 top choices and loves them all. Unfortunately, as her mom, I can only give my thoughts. The ultimate choice is hers. She wants it over, I can tell you that!!

So now the waiting game begins. We are waiting for financial packages from the schools of choice. But the huge question is, how much importance do you put on the offered money? My thought is, if she isn't happy with the school, or comfortable on the campus, she will not be successful in the classroom no matter how much money is thrown at her. BUT, money has to be part of the deciding factor.

I asked her if she was excited to have so many schools wanting her to come play for them. She said,"yes, but I'm over it." We will both breath a sigh when she chooses a school!! I am so proud of the hard work and dedication she has put in to achieve a goal she has wanted since she picked up a ball, glove & bat.

All this being said, I, nor she, would trade a single minute of her career spanning 7 years (with more to come)! Bring on HS ball, and her last year of very competitive summer ball.
 

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