school/ travel ball question

[swaves]

What about middle school?

For example: Final MS Game on Monday, May 15th, if my daughters has a travel team tourney the 13th/14th --- Could I tell MS coach, her final game is on the 12th -- so in that case, can the end date vary from school team to individual player as it does in the start date.....

I would just have daughter skip the last Middle School game, and play in the travel tourney.

 

[coachjwb]

If the player is on the official roster, I would say that you and the program are running a risk by leaving early and playing in a non-scholastic game. I've seen it done before and no one got caught, but I am pretty sure if it got reported and verified, that there would be trouble. We once had a makeup conference game after we were out of the playoffs and our players couldn't play Memorial Day weekend, though at least 1-2 "quit" the team and did. I can also tell you that didn't sit very well with the head coach ...

 

[CARDS]

What about middle school?

For example: Final MS Game on Monday, May 15th, if my daughters has a travel team tourney the 13th/14th --- Could I tell MS coach, her final game is on the 12th -- so in that case, can the end date vary from school team to individual player as it does in the start date.....

Its middle school ball...I think most ladies will get more out of their travel team activities than any middle school events (Most middle school games are just plain horrible with little learning opportunities) but; it can be a first taste into school athletics...
Also, what they do in middle school has little to no impact in HS....My feeling is, what you do on your time is your business... keep it that way and things generally work out...

 

[Skeeter]

http://www.ohsaa.org/Portals/0/Sports/Softball/sbrglts.pdf
http://www.ohsaa.org/Portals/0/Sports/GeneralSportsRegulations.pdf

 

[finfan365]

So, if I'm reading the regulations correctly, a player could practice with both school and club team until she plays in her first scrimmage or game with the school team. At that point all activity with the club team must stop.

 

[mike_dyer]

At that point all activity with the club team must stop.

But who polices it?

Also, and kind of off on a tangent, but in high wrestling there is a loophole that allows high school wrestling coaches to coach their team all year long if they choose to.

The international styles of wrestling are considered to be different sports. All a coach has to do is set up a greco roman club and no one can stop him from training the kids on his team who pay the $1.00 or whatever that he charges to join it.

What would stop a high school softball coach from starting a baseball club for their softball players? It's this whole 'nother sport, ya know.

 

[sftball follower]

The OHSAA will police it. ANYONE can report a violation, and at that point OHSAA is obligated to review situation. We had a girls team in our area win district, and a parent on the winning team wasn't happy with coach, and reported an "illegal" player - practiced with her travel team, and they ended up forfeiting District championship, and not playing in the Regionals.

 

[CARDS]

The OHSAA will police it. ANYONE can report a violation, and at that point OHSAA is obligated to review situation. We had a girls team in our area win district, and a parent on the winning team wasn't happy with coach, and reported an "illegal" player - practiced with her travel team, and they ended up forfeiting District championship, and not playing in the Regional s.

Over the years I remember countless threads where a parent accused various teams of having illegal players and little to no action was taken against the player or school. I do not recall one lady whose playing status was impacted in SW Ohio, those that posted about the Northern Ohio ladies may have a different take.

From 2009 through 2014 we had a lot of movement of players from school to school at the varsity level within our conference or between conferences (I am sure the past few years there has been more).
If you have rental properties or, relatives etc. that are willing to allow a player to use an address you can move about pretty freely. Heck there are so many split families these days where dad lives in one district, mom in another and the grandparents in two others that kids move from school to school anyhow with nothing to do with sport...I get several students per year living in one district but registered in another with open enrollment and this is not done for sport...

I know of one lady where OHSAA made two visits to the move in players "new address" spent about 20 minuets in total talking with the parents as well as the previous schools AD and they were good to go. Even though the player never left her old address...
Chasing these situations along with the other many true or false reports keeps OHSAA busy so, I would think middle school ball would fall pretty low on the priority list...
Not to say it could not happen but for every one incident that is found to have merit there are ten or more that go untouched. Dose not make it right but it happens...

 

[FastBat]

Thank heaven my dd's MS doesn't have a softball team. But, your best bet would be to direct any of your questions to the AD in your district. If from their advice, rules are broken at least you could say they told you so.

 

[finfan365]

I'm sure there are plenty of girls that practice when they shouldn't, and don't get caught, and the likelihood of getting caught is low. I would just hate for my dd to be the one who caused a season to be forfeited. Her travel team has a couple of other girls who are playing school ball also, so at least she's not alone.

 

[cobb_of_fury]

What I like best about this time of year is I get to use the word Draconian again - here it goes;

Being over here in WPa - High school softball seems to function perfectly well without these draconian rules...

Thanks everyone for allowing me that simple annual pleasure - sort of a right of spring - as it were - Enjoy

 

[mike_dyer]

Watch your tongue.

Our rules rule!!!

Most of the new ones are made so people can keep their jobs, then about 2 weeks into a season the OHSAA issues a release that says to just forget that pesky new rule.

I remember one year there a was a rule that said your undershirt couldn't have a logo on it. Go to Dicks or Dunhams and find me an under armor type shirt with no logo on it. If you are lucky enough to find one explain to me how wearing a shirt with no logo on it would put you at a disadvantage against someone who had a logo on their shirt.

Then tell me how, as an official who is tasked first and foremost with keeping the kids safe, you are supposed to visually inspect ever garment every kid is wearing and make sure things go on as they are supposed to.

If I remember right that rule lasted 1 weekend of competition.

 

[wow]

OSHAA is really a mess. The more rules they implement the worse it seems to get. The statement above about the undershirt is a prime example. but still no requirement for face masks?

its kinda sad....

 

[Heavy Hitter]

You can say they are a mess, you can say it stupid, insane, crazy whatever but unfortunately OHSAA is still the governing body of school sports. You could do it and most likely get away with it. But, there is a small chance you could get caught. They could suspend her for part of next season, they could make the school team ff their game or both. You have 2 choices, she can play middle school ball or not play middle school ball. If you choose to play then you should see it through till the end of the year.

 

[CARDS]

OSHAA is really a mess. The more rules they implement the worse it seems to get. The statement above about the undershirt is a prime example. but still no requirement for face masks?

its kinda sad....

If you think OHSAA is a mess...ODE "that honestly impacts your kids more" is even more screwed up... New graduation requirements are so screwed up....and after all this testing most kids will still lack the skills needed to be successful beyond HS...
Last year they had some 70 people at ODE retire or resign and Dan Ross is under a ton of fire for false test score reporting...


http://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Oh...ments/Graduation-Requirements-2018-and-Beyond

 

[Bob_Himmelein]

I have seen some small schools in another sport play with 6th graders (they were non-OHSAA) but team they played was in OHSAA. Unless someone calls and complains to OHSAA I would not know who would police this without getting a complaint, a player gets injured and insurance issues come up.

Not sure what OHSAA could do to a school that is not in OHSAA, but they may be able sanction an OHSAA school. No idea what penalty may be as in Middle School not play-offs take place anyway on a state level.

 

[wow]

If you think OHSAA is a mess...ODE "that honestly impacts your kids more" is even more screwed up... New graduation requirements are so screwed up....and after all this testing most kids will still lack the skills needed to be successful beyond HS...
Last year they had some 70 people at ODE retire or resign and Dan Ross is under a ton of fire for false test score reporting...


http://education.ohio.gov/Topics/Oh...ments/Graduation-Requirements-2018-and-Beyond

I am shocked. The ODEbeing investigated for fraud? Was it common core accounting principles????