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Did the catcher's positioning prior to receiving the ball cause the runner to alter her path to the base? Did she have to slow down, stop, go around, through or over the catcher to reach the plate BEFORE the catcher had possession of the ball?

Yes I did leave that out detail. The runner slide into the catchers knee pads , she would have had to alter her path to touch the plate. this obstruction was before the ball had arrived. I still don't think a defensive player should be able to obstruct the base whether they have the ball or not.


Totally agree. The rule needs addressed. At no point , with or without the ball should any fielder be able to block the base. If you are saying that they can , than any runner should be able to hit the fielder at any base as far as they can and as hard as they can. You cannot give an advantage to the fielder or baserunner, as it stands now the fielder has the advantage.This happens at all the bases, but more at home plate than anywhere else. They need to take the judgement away from the umpire and make his decision on whether or not they blocked the base at any time.This would be a much simpler call and everyone would understand it more clearly.This would also prevent alot of unnecessary injuries.
 
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What is wrong with a player having the ball and blocking a slide into any base ?

That's the theory of the game.
 
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What is wrong with a player having the ball and blocking a slide into any base ?

That's the theory of the game.




Nothing is wrong with that as long as the runner has equal opportunity to knock the ball loose. What gives a fielder the right to block the base? The rule cannot be one sided. I personally do not look for collisions for my kids, that is why the rule should be addressed. Either they can block the base and face the consequences of getting smashed or they can't block the base at all.Seems pretty simple to me.
 
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Nothing is wrong with that as long as the runner has equal opportunity to knock the ball loose. What gives a fielder the right to block the base? The rule cannot be one sided. I personally do not look for collisions for my kids, that is why the rule should be addressed. Either they can block the base and face the consequences of getting smashed or they can't block the base at all.Seems pretty simple to me.

Softball is not like hockey or baseball. The rules are designed to ensure safety of players.

Blocking a base usually only prevents a feet first, straight-in slide. If the coach would teach the runner alternate sliding techniques, then the runner would have a better chance of getting around the block. Or if the runner or coach would have made the proper base-running decision, then the team would still have a base-runner and 1 less out.
 
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If I had to choose, I'ld much rather lower my shoulder and protect myself then slide into a catcher, 3b, or SS that take advantage of these situations by blocking the base and it requires force to get to the base, why should the offensive player be vulnerable. All for a physical play if the defense is blocking the dang bag. Maybe they shouldn't be standing there if they don't want contact.
 
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Actually, haven't met many catchers afraid of contact.

When I caught in baseball ... I loved it. Bring it on !!!!! LOL

He lowered his shoulder.. I lowered ever lower... lifted him up.. he done a flip landed on his back... knocked the wind out of him... and then for good measure I just pounced on his stomach like I was making sure I tagged him.

I loved catching !!!!!!!
 
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Wow, I’m not sure where to begin in light of the last couple of posts on the topic. Just as mentioned by Wvanalmsick and words of advice by a few others helped form my final thoughts, we get a post from a reputable OFC’er stating they’d rather lower a shoulder and take out a catcher then slide into her. This isn’t the mindset that I’m used to hearing from others, nor do I agree------sorry.

I have championed in the past to have the rules changed to include a rule mandating no collisions would be acceptable and runners should be required to slide. In light of the major league baseball collision and having witnessed numerous collisions over the years, I struggle to see why anyone with mentality above that of an axe murderer would want this to happen in our game. The mentality of fans is not to come to the ballpark to witness a defensive player to be harmed or maimed for life. They want to see spectacular plays and bombing homeruns while watching 2 teams duel it out till a winner is declared. Fielders are too vulnerable to injury when there is a collision and I believe it should be the responsibility of the offense to avoid the contact.

I believe we need to teach more sliding options as mentioned. With today’s rules as stated, I teach the girls to get creative with their slides. A defensive player assuming a posture over a base does have weaknesses and like any good strategy, we should exploit the weakness to our advantage. A slide by and reach in the back or a good hook slide can open doors to success more times than sliding directly into a waiting mitt and ball. While it may be easy to argue that younger girls are prone to drop the ball, that doesn’t happen as often with older girls. Also, my gazelle of base runners are more valuable to the team effort when they are healthy rather than being bruised or worse from a collision with a catcher twice their size. A good coach will play to his team’s strength and I’ll gamble on my gazelles being able to sneak in a hand around a slower and/or less agile catcher in gear.

I’ve never favored a total block of a base at any time. I believe since both offense and defense need access to a base that rules should state that both need to allow the other opportunity to assume a position on the base-----any base. It’s the only thing in the game that requires both teams to share and at times this needs to happen simultaneously. I believe a defensive player needs to assume a position that still displays an area of the base directly in line to the offensive player. If she does not do this, any collision that may occur would be at the fault of the defense and an official call should rule in the runner’s favor. If the defensive player does leave an opening for a direct approach to a base and a collision occurs, the offense would be at fault and a resulting call would favor the defense. The only factor that others may argue is one of judgment by the umpire. A judgment call cannot be argued or protested, just like balls and strikes. I believe this rule would eliminate most collisions and be very popular. Wonder why the powers to be would not agree? Perhaps you don’t. Let me hear your view on the subject and any changes you would make.
 
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very good post boss. i'm in agreement, surely quake was foolin' MD
 
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Anyone that wants full contact collisions should play football, hockey and/or rugby.

A defender with the ball should be able to block the base similar to defenders in other sports like basketball are entitled to take a defensive position and the offense is not allowed to run them over. I would, however, be in favor of not allowing defenders to completely block the base without the ball.

We're talking tag plays - the offense is not forced to the base. If they fail to get there before the ball, it's their fault and they have the option of retreating.

For safety purposes, I'd also be in favor of prohibiting catchers from doing those 'atomic knee drops' where they freefall on their knees while a runner is sliding underneath them. The runner is very vulnerable and shouldn't be endangered when they've beaten the ball.
 
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very good post boss. i'm in agreement, surely quake was foolin' MD

Fooling about what :confused: If the catcher or any other fielder has the ball before the runner gets to the base... why would they not be allowed to block the base. Blocking the base WITH the ball is part of the game... just like sliding into a base is for a runner.

Why in the world would anyone ever think about changing this rule? You know who I think want to change the rules ??? Coaches that coach third base and foolishly send runner to the plate knowing it is going to be close. Just the perils of the game people.

I agree with SoCalDad... the runner if she knows she is going to get out... can always retreat.;) That's her option.. or be fast enough to beat the ball to the plate.
 
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SoCal Dad and Ohioquakerman make good points but I don't believe we are totally comparing apples to apples in the examples shared on the subject. In basketball, the opportunity to score is a rim 10ft in the air. To compare a basketball player defending to a softball player defending would require the basketball player to sit on the rim totally covering the center of the rim. To my knowledge; this is against the rules in basketball so why wouldn't it be against the rules in softball?

In hockey, the opportunity to score is always present because the scoring net (goal) is larger than any goalie. If a goalie were to lie on the ice fully stretched across the face of the goal, there is still an exposed area above them to allow for a puck. If they remain standing, the area on either side cannot be completely covered and allows opportunity to score. Also, many of the sports are using a device other than the human body that needs to penetrate an area for a score. The offense doesn't NEED to touch something or cross a stationary goal. In fact; some sports actually have a protected zone where offensive players cannot occupy when making a scoring attempt. I think you know what I'm talking about.

To my knowledge, the only sports that actually requires a player to physically cross a goal, penetrate a zone, or touch a stationary object to score are football and softball/baseball. So in lieu of this should we set rules to discourage contact in softball or dress the girls like football players?

Hmmmmmm--------I just remembered car racing or racing in general come to mind if you classify them sports but let's not disallow contact in NASCAR because the main draw to it IS the big wreck. lol.
 
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Basketball and softball/baseball are different sports so it's not hard to find differences. :rolleyes:

The point is that basketball also has rules regarding defenders positioning themselves. If a defender positions themselves properly, the offense has to avoid them or get called for charging. If a defender positions themselves improperly, they get called for blocking.

The rules do not allow a runner to deviate more than 3 feet from their base path to avoid a tag. Changing the rules to prohibit a defender with the ball from positioning themselves on the base path would simply be giving an advantage to the offense.

Call me old fashioned, but I think the offense needs to earn their way around the bases.
 
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In the games we have played this season collisions "on purpose" are up at 1st, 2b/SS and Catcher.

We lost or SS at Music City Hits when a runner attempting to steal slipped, got back up and ran directly into the SS glove breaking her wrist and hand 10 feet form the bag.
Our catchers get low use their gear well and are just under 200lb so, the plate collisions have gone in our favor however, teams seem to be willing to try to run through the defenders rather than taking a good sliding approach to avoid a tag or collision.
 
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In the games we have played this season collisions "on purpose" are up at 1st, 2b/SS and Catcher.

We lost or SS at Music City Hits when a runner attempting to steal slipped, got back up and ran directly into the SS glove breaking her wrist and hand 10 feet form the bag.
Our catchers get low use their gear well and are just under 200lb so, the plate collisions have gone in our favor however, teams seem to be willing to try to run through the defenders rather than taking a good sliding approach to avoid a tag or collision.

I would agree with coachdennis. We have not lost a player to injury but the contact at these positions are defiantly up this year. Also at MCH, we experienced SS and 3B trying to take runners off stride. Seems to be consistent with teams we faced from different states.
 

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