Pitch Outs

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• May 5, 2008

• #1

I wondered how many back to back pitch outs many of the coaches on here would do. This weekend I saw (3) back to back pitchouts and bury the pitcher with 3-0 count. It is not the first time I saw this same thing happen. The most memorable was with bases loaded in a TIGHT game. That time the pitcher battled back to a 3-2 count (I think t was a battle with about 10 pitches thrown). However, it ended up walking in the run to tie the game. I know it probably depends on the game, circumstances, etc... At what point does the coach take responsibility for making a mistake that may have cost the game??

 

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• May 5, 2008

• #2

Why does it matter if the coach takes responsibility for a loss or not? Its still a loss. Pointless to asign guilt in a team sport. Three straight pitchouts happens in baseball, clearly he/she thought they saw something. I am confused how you can pitch out with bases loaded, what base did coach think they were going to steal?

 

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• May 5, 2008

• #3

Sometimes a coach's strategy backfires, that is part of coaching. I have an example; Bottom of the 7th, my team was up 4-3. Runners are on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs. 4,5,6 coming up to the plate. I walk 4 to load the bases, because 5 has 2 k's and a weak hit to the right side. 5 hitter rips a double down the 3rd base line, game over. The outcome was not the one I desired, but we lost as a team. My philosophy has always been that a winning team requires 9 players and a coach. None can succeed without the other. Could I have made a different choice? Sure I could have. Could my team not have committed the 3 errors prior that allowed 2 of their 3 runs to score in the 3rd inning? Sure they could have. The team took responsibility for the loss, and that includes me. Should I stand up and say "I lost the game"? I don't see it that way. As a coach, you use your experience to try and make the right choices. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.

 

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• May 5, 2008

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The reason I ask is because if a coach is assigning the blame SOLEY on the pitcher...it breaks down the fabric that should bind a team together.
They win as a team...however losses are assigned to the player who makes the "mistakes". Whether it is a 1st baseman or a catcher... who may not be hitting currently. I do not feel this is correct!!! My opinion is it is a team effort I have stated this before. The blame game starts at the top for this team and they are imploding onto themselves. This is why I asked when a coach takes responsibility...as this one is PERFECT! JMHO

 

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• May 5, 2008

• #5

Until you really get to know the coach, and understand that coach's style, it is hard to judge them. Good luck.

 

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• May 5, 2008

• #6

I still want to know about the 3 pitchouts with bases loaded, I am just not following that.

So you have 2 different issues...1) Pitchouts you think he calls to many. 2) He asigns blame to loses.

Sounds like your kid is the pitcher and your ticked that coach is putting her in a hole, I can't really blame you, however, maybe he has a lot of confidence in her to be able to throw strikes.

 

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• May 5, 2008

• #7

My kid does not pitch. Thinking this is a team sport and not liking blame on any one player does not constitute me being a pitchers parent. The pitcher we have takes a lot on her shoulders and I don't think un-necessary blame is going to help her for the season. She has thrown most of our innings and we need her head in the game for the stretch. I think the pitch outs with bases loaded was to try to get them leaning too far. Coaches decision. They are sometimes hard to make and I understand that. I just think stressing out these players is not necessary. The entire game is a series of plays that either they win or they lose. They ALWAYS should do this as a TEAM.

 

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• May 5, 2008

• #8

I don't get it!

I cannot believe a Coach would "blame" one player for a loss! This is an impossibility IMO since the coach would lose all credibility with his team. Did the coach say explicitly that the Pitcher was responsible? How was it said? I just don't get it.

 

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• May 6, 2008

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Credibility or not,,the comment was that they lost due to the walk. Opinions vary and if I wouldn't of heard it I would not have believed it. These comments are not kept quiet, like it is okay!! This is not the first time an errant word has been spoken to these girls. I wish I never would have asked for opinions on this...it is so hard to understand unless you are there seeing it unfold!!!

 

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• May 6, 2008

• #10

Maybe the player you are referring to responds to that pressure. Maybe the team rallies behind that kind of motivation. It may look a certain way to bystanders, but all may not be as it appears. Speak with the coach if you are uncomfortable with it.

 

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• May 7, 2008

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I have been a watcher on this sight for a while now and I may regret this. ?I find it interesting to hear what others think about the games and never thought I would be creating an account and posting!! ?Here goes. ?If I am right about the team you are talking about, my DD is the pitcher for that team. ?I can assure you that she does not respond to that type of "motivation". ?She is all about the team (right now) and feels as if she can't communicate politely when the comments upset her. ?She just takes it in stride and complains at home. ?I appreciate that you have taken interest. ?THERE IS NO WHINING IN SOFTBALL ;D ;D ;D LOL ?She will be fine I promise.

 

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• May 7, 2008

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DesertKat said:

I have been a watcher on this sight for a while now and I may regret this. ?I find it interesting to hear what others think about the games and never thought I would be creating an account and posting!! ?Here goes. ?If I am right about the team you are talking about, my DD is the pitcher for that team. ?I can assure you that she does not respond to that type of "motivation". ?She is all about the team (right now) and feels as if she can't communicate politely when the comments upset her. ?She just takes it in stride and complains at home. ?I appreciate that you have taken interest. ?THERE IS NO WHINING IN SOFTBALL ;D ;D ;D LOL ?She will be fine I promise.

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My only point is to speak with the coach if you, as a parent, are uncomfortable. I do not know the situation. I do not know what motivates any of the players. I do not know who responds to pressure, and who does not. All i know is that open communication is always better than being upset to the point of anger and frustration. The group of kids and coaches involved are all really great people.

 

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• May 7, 2008

• #13

Welcome aboard Desertkat!

 

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• May 7, 2008

• #14

Even the most clueless coach would not "pitchout" with the bases loaded ... are you sure you are not confused with just calling for pitches on the outside part of the plate?

 

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• May 7, 2008

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That is what I have been trying to figure out Coach LOL, I never seen a pitchout with bases loaded and sort of wondered if that wasn't an embellishment to further make the posters point, which actually seems to have very little to do with the pitchouts and more to do with the coach calling kids out for losses.

 

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• May 7, 2008

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Dar,

Final points and I will never comment again...

--Pitch-outs on many teams may be called by the catcher or the coach...often not easy to tell who does it.
--The events of your situation are being withnessed in one of two ways...from the bleachers by you or through the eyes of your significant person. Please be open minded in that you may be seeing a more critical rendition of events than is actually occurring. I doubt you are hearing or seeing everything that needs to be seen to make such a profound judgement as yours.
--And finally..."Even the most clueless coach would not "pitchout" with the bases loaded"
a pitch out with bases loaded with the right runner at 3rd (big lead and inattention), the right pitcher (very few walks!) and the right catcher (strong accurate arm) may make for a good bet...once!!! back to back in that situation does seems problematic.

I hope you (and yours) feel better about your situation with time...it will probably work itself out.

 

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• May 7, 2008

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That is what I have been trying to figure out Coach LOL, I never seen a pitchout with bases loaded and sort of wondered if that wasn't an embellishment to further make the posters point, which actually seems to have very little to do with the pitchouts and more to do with the coach calling kids out for losses. ?

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No embellishment here. ?I know the difference between a pitch out and throwing down to the base or throwing outside pitches. ?I simply asked if the coaches on here would do this. ? DesertKat...sorry to have put un-necessary attention on your daughter or this team. ?I was just concerned. ?My apologies to all. ?This may be my final post on here.

 

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• May 7, 2008

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[quote author=McLovin link=1210008809/0#14 date=1210181260]That is what I have been trying to figure out Coach LOL, I never seen a pitchout with bases loaded and sort of wondered if that wasn't an embellishment to further make the posters point, which actually seems to have very little to do with the pitchouts and more to do with the coach calling kids out for losses. ?

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No embellishment here. ?I know the difference between a pitch out and throwing down to the base or throwing outside pitches. ?I simply asked if the coaches on here would do this. ? DesertKat...sorry to have put un-necessary attention on your daughter or this team. ?I was just concerned. ?My apologies to all. ?This may be my final post on here.[/quote]

I want to get this straight, your saying with bases loaded in a very tight game the coach called 3 straight PITCHOUTS to make the count 3-0?

 

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• May 8, 2008

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I want to get this straight, your saying with bases loaded in a very tight game the coach called 3 straight PITCHOUTS to make the count 3-0?
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YES...pitchout, throw to third...pitchout, throw to first...pitchout, throw to third!! There is no way to mistake these. Please just let this go as I see there is no way anyone can give any insight into this at all. I never meant to ruffle feathers and be treated as if I am ignorant. I apologized on my last post and I for sure will not post again. Sorry