Fed up?!?!?!

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• Jul 18, 2007

• #1

Ok...I am probably going to open up a can of worms with this........but what the heck....I really think that people/ coaches are reaching an all time low.......by solicitating other teams players to play for them throughout the summer for the following year as well as to finish out this summer. I just don't understand the need to approach other kids, just because you are not happy with the kids that you have picked for your team, or because there have been injuries, or just because you have to WIN AT ALL COSTS, so why not try to steal players from another teams, just because you can....or you think you can. And the old daying abo

What happened to the days of waiting until the season is over to see if someone wants to jump ship.......why offer them the world just to get them to leave?

Obviously I am little upset right now...........3 of our players have had solicitations from other teams coaches throughout this summer, one coach offered so much to one of our girls, that she could probably move right in. A couple of the solititaions have even come during games.

Maybe I should look at this as a compliment, that our kisd are good enough to go and play for another team, but still, don't coaches have any morals or ethics??? WHy do they feel the need or the NERVE to go and bash the current team and coaches, just to get a kid to move to their team???

All of this happening before NATIONALS. I just don't get it. I can honestly tell you that I would NEVER ask a kid to leave their team to come to my team, especially before the end of the season. I just find it shocking that other coaches can actually do this.........and have no problem with it.

I guess there are 2 sayings that come to my mind.......1. What goes around, comes around. and 2. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, and no matter what, it will still need mowed!

Thanks for letting me vent......WHEW!! I feel much better now........

 

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• Jul 18, 2007

• #2

is this one a case of "well, since you have a weekend off, you might as well play with us"
or an actual overt steal-a-player?
or is it a case of, "you know we would have taken you but this happened, and now that there's a spot, come on in"

 

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• Jul 18, 2007

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Its a "you should be playing with us.......if you did, we would be the best team in the state, and we will go to all of the tournaments to help you get recruited, and you will get all of this playing time........and we will be better than the current team you are on."

 

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• Jul 18, 2007

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Gee, I know NONE of us can figure out which organization you might be the victim of...? Unfortunately, this is the reality of competitive sports. There are always organizations out there willing to do whatever it takes to be the best... no matter who they leave victimized in their wake. The sad part is...those players they lure will end up cut or on the bench somewhere down the road. Obviously there are talented players who should be on the very best teams but it is NEVER appropriate to desert a team midseason. Commitment is not only to the coach but also to your fellow teammates.... no matter how tempting the lure may be. Doing the right thing helps us all sleep at night. But then...this topic is nothing new is it?

 

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• Jul 18, 2007

• #5

Well I don't know you are talking about and I hope that it is kept that way!

 

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• Jul 18, 2007

• #6

I have no intention of naming the teams or the coaches. I can assure you of that. I just wanted to vent and share my frustrations and see if anyone else is going through this.

Boone: nice comments. You say it well!

 

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• Jul 18, 2007

• #7

Like I always say "some of these coaches of name organizations aren't better coaches just better recruiters"

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

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It seems like the better the tournament, the more the recruiting. This past weekends Stingray Showcase not only had the Colleges represented, many travel organizations were had their recruiting pitches going.

I heard a coach tell a parent, "if you come over with these three other girls from your team, you will be part of a great team next year." I recognize the player and the team, and I think they are one of the top two teams in Ohio already in their age group!!! So what does that team have to offer - I asked the parent, and he told me - "This is the 4th invitation this week for us and a group of girls from our team, he went on to say they had already beat a couple of those teams this year!"

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

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My husband and I have the opposite problem. Players' parents keep approaching us wanting their daughters on our team. I keep telling them that we make it a practice to not recruit during a tournament. If they want to call us during the week, we will let them know when our tryouts are so that we can take a good look at their daughter.

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

• #10

I have been in traveling ball for a long time and it's always been going on. Just more teams invovled now.. You are right. It's always at the tournaments where your elite teams are, of course that is one method of being an elite team.

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

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I have been approached also, since compuware from parents who want their kids to join our team, some wanting to jump ship immediately to join our team, and I just tell them that try-outs are in August, and we do not want anyone leaving their current team to join our team. I just don't believe in kids leaving teams during the season. I also don't believe that I need to go and recruit kids from other teams.

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

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I have one better then coaches taking or requesting players........
How about parents organizing a "new team" with your players before the season is over for the following year ???????
I took 9 complete rookies to travel ball this year from rec leagues, the organization spent 1700 per player this year in facilities, instructors, uniforms, indoor leagues and 14tournaments. ?We trained their butts off (maybe too much) but we finished in the final four every weekend throughout the season, 7 championship games. (and we charged them 700)
We played 112 games against 55 opponents from 7 different states. ?69-39-4 is to shabby for a first year team. ?We went to the eastern part of PA twice to face the philly, va, md, ny, de teams and out to western ohio to face the teams on that side of us. ?Took them to both NSA and ASA PA state tournaments as well.

Before our last tourney two parents organized a new team for next year, have been recruiting four other players from our team this year to join them. ?Best part of it is four of them still owe us money from this year.
Good luck with that, I wish them the best. ?Just another "daddy ball team" in this case "mommy ball" run team.
Shame is the kids have talent, but their attitude and performance at times reflect the parents and their behavior and level of respect.
We were successful this year with a rookie team, and will do it again next year!

There I feel better ! ?Thanks!
Got to love the drama of this time of the year !

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

• #13

this topic reminds me of an incident sum of my team n i witnessed at the stingray tournament last weekend

while tween games a few of our team and parents walked by a "team" that was
having n all out go round amung the parents. we were walkin tward the concession
stand n it looked like juss a team meeting then all of a sudden the players grabbed
their bags n booked n next thing u culd hear parents yellin n going off on each other
n the coaches.
we were all like wwwooooooowwwwww did we juss see n hear that?! N this is a team
sum of us wer thinkin bout gong to their tryouts.

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

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well that wasn't us, as the parents don't have a clue (or didn't) that I knew about the "side job" they had going on. It wasn't even discussed, and I thanked them for a great season and wished them best.

I did find it interesting that in talking with many coaches over the last two weeks of the internal parental and or player problems. More on established teams that have been together for several years. It really is a shame, why do egos have to get in the way? I think we lose alot of very good coaches each year due to this progressing problem.

I could be wrong. I love coaching, teaching, etc but somedays you do have to question why?

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

• #15

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if tournaments were like school. Parents drop off the "students " and then pick them up at the end of the day ;D ;D

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

• #16

ah the ole buisness card routine etc. if a player wants to go i wish them well. if their parent or parents dictate this then I say good luck. If they stay the trouble caused is unbearable sooner or later usually caused by the parents. let them go you will be better off and obviously so will they.been there done that got a lot of teeshirts. lol

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

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bh2424gh said:

Sometimes I wonder what would happen if tournaments were like school. Parents drop off the "students " and then pick them up at the end of the day ;D ;D

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just as long as they get me a shirt

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

• #18

8:00 am is way to early for beer pong!!!!!!!!

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

• #19

My Grand Pa had a favorite saying " If your going to plow the field you better be smarter than the mule. " You win with players. Those coaches who are successful recruiters are more often than not
very successful coaches. I do not agree with the practice of recruting at a tourney or the commitment
expectations of a players current team, however, I do believe you need to surround yourself with the
best to be the best be it players or coaches. If you dd is in a bad situation there is no inappropriate
time to make a change in her best interest.

 

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• Jul 19, 2007

• #20

What's just as low is recruiting at tryouts, Can one be escorted away for stooping that low if you are renting the field or are permitted for a field?