How Do You Score This?

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #1

Ball is bunted on first base side of pitcher's circle, and second baseman runs up and fields the ball. The runner is close to first, and the only way to get the runner out is to throw the ball hard from the pitcher circle to first base. Ball goes into the first baseman's glove right before the runner gets to first and then drops out of the glove and onto the ground--runner is safe.

Is this a hit, or an error on first or second baseman?

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #2

Assuming it's a clean throw from the pitcher, I see your point and would have to be there but I say it's an error.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #3

If the ball was in the glove in time and then dropped, it is an error on the first baseman.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #4

E 3 First should have caught the ball.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #5

No doubt E3 as long as throw was on target and not a stretch to the limit.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #6

Part 1. Was there a runner on base and if so, was the batter trying to move that runner up by putting down a sacrifice bunt?

Part 2. Since the batter/runner would have been out at first, we need to determine if the throw or the catch was the cause of the error.

Scenario 1. Lets assume that there are no runners on base. If the throw from the fielder caused the 1st baseman to miss/drop the catch, then the error is on the 2nd baseman. If the 1st baseman should have caught the ball, then it is an error on the 1st baseman. The batter recieves an E3 or E4 for the at bat.

Scenario 2. If there is a runner on base and the batter is attempting to advance the runner, then the Batter would recieve a SAC for the at bat and then an E3 or E4 for not getting the out at first.

Score a sacrifice bunt
1. when with less than two outs, a batter advances one or more runners by bunting (include slap or slug bunting and running slaps), and is called out at first base or would have been out had no error occurred,​

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #7

Good point about the sacrifice situation ... I didn't ask this and just assumed no one was on. Re: the drop though ... even if it was a bad throw, if the ball was in the glove in time and then just dropped, the error is charged to the first baseman. If on the other hand the ball glanced off the glove due to a bad throw, it could be either an error on the second baseman or even be ruled as a hit if the scorekeeper determines the play took extraordinary effort to try to get the runner out. If one assumes only the facts as given (i.e., no mention of another baserunner or # of outs, and a "drop"), then it is still an error on 1B.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #8

I agree, going with the info given, E3.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #9

OK, more information. The batter was the first batter of the inning, and the bunt was intended to be a hit. The effort could have been called extraordinary as the throw barely made it in time. The ball landed right in the pocket of the glove and then bounced out. If the ball was thrown slower, the runner would have made it to first before the throw. The dropped ball did not allow the batter to advance.

In addition, the first baseman always plants her foot before a ball is thrown, and it stops her from being able to adjust once the ball is thrown. She has missed several balls that are slightly high or left or right (but definitely catchable for a first baseman) because she cannot adjust once she plants her foot. The third baseman has received a couple of errors due to this foot plant problem.

My guess would have been either give it a hit due to the attempt being extraordinary or award the error to the first baseman. In this case the error was awarded to the 2nd baseman.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #10

Does the first baseman's parent keep the book?

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #11

E-3. I would not say it's extraordinary effort because the ball was thrown hard. If you have lead off hitter running a 2.9 home to 1st, that means the fielder has to field the bunted ball and throw the runner out in less time. Some parents I guess would call that extraordinary and I would call it good defense.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #12

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #13

I say move the bases back to 65' feet to put more defense into the game.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #14

My dd plays some first and expects hard throws . The harder the better she would say and if it is in the pocket of the glove E3 even if she has to move some to get it.

I beleive the first baseman is stretching to quickly . IMO she should retreat to the bag on a hit that has potential to have a play at first and then stand with her feet shoulder width apart and her throwing hand foot in contact with the bag. This should be an athletic stance facing the person who fielded the ball. Then once the throw is made the first baseman attacks or moves towards the ball to catch it at the earliest opportunity to get the out . Stretch with glove foot and leave the throwing foot in contact with the bag . If the first baseman is stretching before the ball is thrown she does not have the balance positioned she needs to move towards wherever the ball may be thrown. It is very difficult to jump for a high throw without balance and almost impossible if there is a bunch of weight on a the glove leg extended towards a fielder to early.

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #15

It is obvious this is statman's team and his dd is no doubt the first basemen ! lol

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #16

bh2424gh said:

It is obvious this is statman's team and his dd is no doubt the first basemen ! lol

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she would laugh at this, playing first...too funny! statmans golden rule--always side with coaches DD
second rule, always side with parent who glares the longest,
third rule, refer to rule one

yuk yuk yuk

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #17

should be E3....change your score keeper. Tell your first baseman to wait for the throw before she stretches...and when she doesn't all those should be E3

 

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• Mar 3, 2009

• #18

This was in a college game, and the first baseman in that game is a pitcher. Gotta get those innings in to keep the pitchers happy. Honestly, the coach yells at the players for a lot of things, but he hasn't seemed to notice that this player is stepping early. We noticed in the first game she played in and keep wondering if he is going to say anything.

 

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• Mar 4, 2009

• #19

I thinkg the saying is God grant me the courage to change things I can ......and the courage to know the difference !!!!!!!