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This CAN be happening. In our city, roster decisions are based first on if the child's mother or father teaches or works for the school district. It's the most incestuous thing I've ever seen. The varsity/JV/freshman split has little resemblance to their accomplishments in summer ball when there positions are handed out as a patronage.

Thankfully, it's becoming evident that colleges don't care about high school sports any longer. Club sport teams, from softball to volleyball and others, provide better coaching and more objective decision making. I'm seeing more and more kids play club sports IN LIEU of high school.....at first I was stunned but now understand their decisions.
 
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feistymom said:
As a coach that goes to watch all of her players at high school games, I am amazed at some of the things that I see. I have watched a couple of JV games and varsity at the same time. I have seen players on varsity squads that lack basic fielding fundamentals starting and then look over to the jv and see a better player fielding correctly with no errors. Mind you that neither of the players are on my team. But it is very obvious the talent is not distributed to the benefit of creating the best team at the varisty level.

Politics at the high school level is greatly pressured by "well intentioned" parents. The very parents that if told by a group of college coaches of the reality of their child's ability level would say they were biased and know the coach. I know we all want what is best for our kids, but once again we are given them a false sense of reality.

I think all of use would love to see everyone just set back and let the coaches coach. If they are not qualified, it will show and eventually changes will need to be made by the administration. At this point I think all of us understand that it will not change and we have to look at where most college coaches first see players they want to follow. . .Summer; and it's just around the corner. JMHO
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I agree with you fiestymom and I just ump these H.S. games and I can see how the so called well "Intentioned Parents" run the show from behind the chainlink fence.

Lord! knows what they do at the Team Practices!

As for the coaches that like to yell and be rude to their players during the game, I use the NFHS Rule: 3-6-13c behavior in any manner not in accordance with the spirit of the fair play. "Coach See the Bench".That's where you're going for the remainder of the game, have a SEAT.

FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!
 
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raising4daughters said:
This CAN be happening. In our city, roster decisions are based first on if the child's mother or father teaches or works for the school district. It's the most incestuous thing I've ever seen. The varsity/JV/freshman split has little resemblance to their accomplishments in summer ball when there positions are handed out as a patronage.

Thankfully, it's becoming evident that colleges don't care about high school sports any longer. Club sport teams, from softball to volleyball and others, provide better coaching and more objective decision making. I'm seeing more and more kids play club sports IN LIEU of high school.....at first I was stunned but now understand their decisions.
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Yes this happens alot! Welcome to H.S. Softball!:eek:

FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!
 
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I have thought about this subject time and time again as you can read back thru my sour posts.

Anyone who settles for "it's only high school, and that is the way it is" is setting themselves up for mediocrity. High Schools only have the players X-amount of days per years, yet do they maximize those days effectively?

I think most critics would agree that the technical parts of the game are missing. Players get by on athletic ability. But the overall game suffers as SKILLS ARE DECLINING during the season because there is no REAL PRACTICE.

I witnessed games from teams in Northern, Eastern, and Central Ohio. So called "top tiered" teams had athletes, but the fundamental are lacking. If I see a batter pull their head and body one more time.....

For those high schools who love their coach and say there is skill aquisition and training going on where you see improvement from day one: BRAVO
I don't think that is the norm.
 
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FastpitchBlue said:
Yes this happens alot! Welcome to H.S. Softball!:eek:

FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!
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And in Middle school ball as well. A.E.B my previous post. Catcher referred to has a parent who teaches in the same building as the coach. I would bet my house and all that's in it that this player won't see a second of time behind the plate in high school, even in practice, while the girl who played catcher for the HS freshman team during winter ball has yet to see time behind the plate this season.
 
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Middle School ball is needing a change also. Team has 10 and 2 record last year at 7th grade. Different coaches at 8th, same team of girls. First 3 games runned ruled in 5. We have three goals for school ball;1.Have fun 2.No bad habits 3. No injuries
 
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TheRinger said:
Come on now. Are you saying she struck out 40 out of the last 42 batters she has faced.
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Ringer,

I one game DD had 21 k's allowed 2 walks and gave up 2 hits.

In the other game she had 19 k's, I am not sure the other stats but they won the game 2-1.

So, To answer your question. No, she DID NOT strike out 40 of the last 42 batters, Because she DID give up a handfull of hits and walks.

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kostanza said:
My dd team doesn't work hard enough. The coach is a nice person, but I get the feeling that essence of trying to achieve excellence is not happening here.
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You just described my oldest daughter's high school career in 2 of the 3 sports she played. Same coach in each sport all 4 years.


feistymom said:
I think all of use would love to see everyone just set back and let the coaches coach. If they are not qualified, it will show and eventually changes will need to be made by the administration.
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It takes too long to make the change. If the coach is a teacher on staff, it could take years before they actually get removed, especially if the desired replacement is someone not on staff. Whole classes have gone thru by then. It's not fair to the kids, but that's the way it is.
 
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I find it is easier to digest when you view many of the HS programs as nothing more than a glorified rec teams with less fairness. I love softball and can't stand to watch JV or HS SB anymore.
 
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dtrj said:
It takes too long to make the change. If the coach is a teacher on staff, it could take years before they actually get removed, especially if the desired replacement is someone not on staff. Whole classes have gone thru by then. It's not fair to the kids, but that's the way it is.
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The flip side of that is an AD at a school in NWO that fires about 3 coaches a year. I think he's trying to improve the records of the high school programs, but I'm afraid he may be having the opposite effect. Who'll want to apply for a coaching job if he'll get ousted before the rebuilding years are over.
 
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What about a program where six of the nine starters are DDs of school employees and remainings girls sit the bench for the duration of several games at the JV level. I just figure it is an unwritten employee benifit. LOL
 
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Wow that's pretty bad. Don't know how coaches balance winning with making sure they play daughters of school employees. Would put them in an awful predicament if others were clearly better than the girls that are getting the play time. Every school team is probably political to some point, but that is taking it to the extreme.
 
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I feel blessed at our school. The Varsity coach plays to win and will put whomever in the game to give her the best chance to win. Our JV coaches, who my dd plays for, are the same way. They start with the best 9 and then work the other girls in as best they can.
 
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Just when I thought that things couldn't get worse - DD's team was given a stern talking too at practice last evening on all the flack the coaches were getting on their lack of hitting - yet they haven't taken batting practice for over a week (or haven't practiced since Saturday - and their batting practice usually consists of tee work for 30 minutes when they get around to it!!!) Top that, key game tonight and they are not starting their normal pitcher and throwing a player who has virtually no game time (and is never given any pitching time during practice). When does travel ball begin?
 
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All I can say is travel ball can't begin soon enough. Just hope I can make it through school ball without loosing my temper..:rolleyes:

Mike
 
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i need to vent now my dd is in 6th grade so it is not even her coach but watched 7th grade coach with a 2-0 lead take his 2 better infielders out in 4 th inning to play some of the 15 girls he kept on team only to take clear #1 pitcher out who i have seen pitch 57mph to put in a girl throwing 47 at best and lose the lead all the while no runner left base until ball crossed the plate.last inning catcher who is a bigger girl was representing winning run got on base and out of 6 girls on bench not one of them came in to run for catcher.last 2 batters in lineup were up catcher on third 0 outs BUNT no way proceeded to swing away and both struck out leadoff saved all his bad decisions wit a 0-2 count blooper that about landed on first base and somehow they bumbled it and runner was safe and run scored i really hope he is not there for my dd or we might run track and wait for real ball did bring #1 pitcher in last inning (you cant make this stuff up)
 
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Miami Valley Vipers 15 said:
Look back at the posts since OFC started and you will see the same posts year in and year out regarding HS ball. Bottom line is most schools have what I call Junioritis and Senioritus........and relativeitus...lol.....can complain all we want but not gonna change a thing......have seen Breezy's kid pitch....could be frontline on most Varsity teams, and will be frontline at her school when she is a jr or sr........thank God it is only six weeks......actually 8 weeks as it will take us 2 weeks to get rid of all the lazy habits and poor fundamentals allowed to go on....not that the girls are not Varsity material just no spot for them this year........it all catches up though in say second round of tourney when the hitters have to hit because teams after round 2 all have good pitching.....those teams not playing the best 9 players rarely make it out of round 2............instead of letting the HS politics bug you.......keep close tabs on the tourney and watch to see which teams make it out of round 2.....guaranteed it will be those teams smart enough to play their best 9 regardless of who is related to who .......who has played for how long etc.......
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Miami Valley you are right about this team and Coach. Your daughter is as good as allot of the girl's he plays. Face it he plays politics and his favorites. You are not alone I watch allot of H.S. teams practice and play games and most coaches do that. I will tell you about a high ranked team and there politics. They have the best pitcher in the state so he wins 99% of his games because of her. So there coach thinks he can coach. He has a # 2 pitcher who might be there best OF but she never plays, because of injury to #1? Play your whole H.S. career as an insurance policy. That is ****. No one says anything to H.S. coaches they fear there dd will be penalized. (It's True) H.S. coaches are arrogant and they don't know the game like travel coaches. I have seen this team practice and other H.S. teams practice it is a waste of time. Miami Valley they had a 9th grader last year that might be there beat defense of player and she dh or ph all year on varsity. (She plays for one of the best travel teams in the state) I heard she isn't playing this year because of an injury or surgery? (Lucky her) The team will go as far as there #1 pitcher and there ss take them and flexone can toot his or her horn about there home town favorites, but that is the truth. ( the 9th grader and ss and pitcher play for the same elite travel team also) Remember he is a good coach or a great coach? Right No way he has a team that was handed to him. Hang in there the season will be over soon and your dd can play real ball. H.S. should change there rules and let kids practice with there travel team? It won't happen because that teacher that just lucked into the job and has good players would get shown up. Take the pay away from H.S. coaches and do it for free and see who will coach. Most H.S. coaches think colleges recruit there kids over travel and they teach the best basics and they condition the kids in that 1 hour practice. If you believe that I will win american idol next year. (Only if no one else shows up)
 
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two-outs said:
I find it is easier to digest when you view many of the HS programs as nothing more than a glorified rec teams with less fairness. I love softball and can't stand to watch JV or HS SB anymore.
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What a difference a few decades make. I've often wondered how so many sports have developed strong club circuits, but after now seeing first-hand the clueless and talentless coaches at the HS level, it's no wonder.

I've got no personal beef with how my daughter has been treated, but i could name at least 20 men and women in our city that know more about the game (and would do the job for free).
 
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