USSSA Tournament Toledo Tune Up list of teams

default · May 13, 2009

Wizards11 said:
So what is the official difference between the calissifications A or B ?

Is there actual criteria or just coaches opinion ?

Ed

THE UNOFFICAL ANSWER, which is my opinion and should not be confused with the actual definition..........

A- For those coaches that want to put their players up against the best competition. You have to play the best to be the best. These coaches are in it for the girls and want the girls to experience the highest level of playing, win or lose.

B- For the washed up or over the hill athlete/coach trying to recapture their youth by.................I'll stop there and let you formulate your own finish.

default · May 13, 2009

Fastpitch , if that is not the funniest and honest answer ever, you hit the 'B' right on the head!!!!!

default · Jun 1, 2009

fastpitchrox, show some class if you have any. I know of teams entering B for the fact they have one top end pitcher and maybe not as strong 2 and 3. It has nothing to do with the coaches. You have to do what's best for your team.

default · Jun 1, 2009

SidneyCrosby87 said:
fastpitchrox, show some class if you have any. I know of teams entering B for the fact they have one top end pitcher and maybe not as strong 2 and 3. It has nothing to do with the coaches. You have to do what's best for your team.

No offense meant to true "B" teams. There is nothing wrong with being a "B" team if that is truely what you are. However, look at the "B" pools for the tune-up and there are a number of them that have no businees entering as "B". I would beg to differ that these teams entered as "B" have everything to do with the coaches.

default · Jun 1, 2009

I can tell you what i was told.....A = do not play in a league and B = play in a league. So if this is truly the defienition TD'S are using, there should be a mixed bag in every tournament.

We are true B competition (0-8 this year so far) and we are playing in the A bracket based upon a definition we were given....

However, look at the "B" pools for the tune-up and there are a number of them that have no businees entering as "B".

Just as there is no reason we are in A...it probably works out both ways....we will have fun either way !!!!

default · Jun 1, 2009

Wizards11 said:
I can tell you what i was told.....A = do not play in a league and B = play in a league. So if this is truly the defienition TD'S are using, there should be a mixed bag in every tournament.

We are true B competition (0-8 this year so far) and we are playing in the A bracket based upon a definition we were given....

Just as there is no reason we are in A...it probably works out both ways....we will have fun either way !!!!

In USSSA its actually very clear. Coaches chosse what classification they are when the sanction with USSSA. It really is up to them.

Last year our team was sanctioned as a USSSA "A" team and they were placed by the TD in the "B" group. We were not happy about it but we were told that it was too late to do anything about it. We figurd that if we were classified as an "A" team then there would be no way that we would be placed in the "B" group, but we were. So maybe the same thing happened to some of the teams that you guys think should not be there. Now if they sanctioned as "B" teams then I have no problem with that. Afterall thats what they think they are. If they are sanctioned as an "A" team then the TD should NOT put them in the "B" part of the tournament.

default · Jun 2, 2009

What I was asked was do you want to play in the elite or open division? We are not a gold team, so we chose open. Its our first year there. Like I said, our #2 pitcher went down with an injury. We can only ride our #1 so long.

default · Jun 2, 2009

for SGS tournaments, if you are registered A in USSSA you have to play A, for our tournaments if undetermined, we have an advisory panel to make the judgement. This panel has a wide range of experience and tries to be very fair.

default · Jun 4, 2009

fastpitchrox said:
No offense meant to true "B" teams. There is nothing wrong with being a "B" team if that is truely what you are. However, look at the "B" pools for the tune-up and there are a number of them that have no businees entering as "B". I would beg to differ that these teams entered as "B" have everything to do with the coaches.

I took a look at the B pool. fpchrox is correct in that there are teams in B that should be in A. A couple I know for a fact should be in A. (one of these two should (will) win the touranment)

However, I do not want to venture a reason why they are playing in the B pool.It is not my business.

default · Jun 4, 2009

Fro mwhat i read i think the state USSSA director sets his own requirements for classification....if he uses this criteria "A = do not play in a league and B = play in a league. " that doesnt take their skill or record into account, they may be forced to play in B regardless of where they themselves think they should be.

default · Jun 5, 2009

The two I am talking about are not in a "league". Most people consider "league" to be rec league. I think this needs to be clarified. There are some A teams that play each other during the week. That should be seperated from the "league" requirement.

There are teams in B that should not be there in any way, shape or form. Trust me.

default · Jun 5, 2009

johnnies said:
The two I am talking about are not in a "league". Most people consider "league" to be rec league. I think this needs to be clarified. There are some A teams that play each other during the week. That should be seperated from the "league" requirement.

There are teams in B that should not be there in any way, shape or form. Trust me.

We are on the same page johnnies. Though I think two is a few less than I was thinking.

default · Jun 5, 2009

I am speaking about teams I met recently. There are others that I am leery of, but no concrete facts. Again, I don't have a dog in the fight but it might be good for the TD to watch some of the B games to form his own opinion.

default · Jun 5, 2009

Just curious what age group are we talking about????
I looked at 18u and nobody really jumps out at me but I may have missed something...

default · Jun 5, 2009

default · Jun 6, 2009

Johnnies, you hit it out the park on this one, glad you dont have a team in this.

default · Jun 7, 2009

Any pool game times listed anywhere?

default · Jun 8, 2009

Wizards11 said:
Fro mwhat i read i think the state USSSA director sets his own requirements for classification....if he uses this criteria "A = do not play in a league and B = play in a league. " that doesnt take their skill or record into account, they may be forced to play in B regardless of where they themselves think they should be.

This is not the case at all. I have talked with the TD and the criteria is simple. Teams that are sanctioned as "A" teams will play in the "A" division. If a "B" team requested to play up and there is room then he will allow them to. No teams that are sanctioned as "A" teams should be playing in those divisions. They may be good teams but perhaps they did not register as "A" teams.

It has nothing to do with being in a league or not.

default · Jun 8, 2009

fastpitch1300 said:
Johnnies, you hit it out the park on this one, glad you dont have a team in this.

After looking again at the teams in the 14U "B" brackets I don't see what the big deal is. There don't appear to be any clear "A" teams in there. Should be a pretty fair line-up.

default · Jun 9, 2009

16 and 18's if you were not listed as an A team, and requested in, our Panel consisting of area coaches etc. with great knowledge of the teams was what decided if we let them in A or not then. We are trying to turn this into a premier event in conjunction with the college showcase. LOTS of tough 16/18u teams!

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