Team Miss Classification is the real issue in Ohio

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This Mind set of Ohio teams being watered down is really out of text. These are the teams or coaches that are complaining are the ones that want the best of the best, to take to tournaments. With these kids life is easy for a coach, the girls are dedicated and so are the parents, cost to play is not an issue, coaches dont have to teach or train the girls to play, coaches dont need to teach the basics of the game to the girls. etc.

Coaches have been thinking for to long that there is only 3 Classifications
1.) "A" Division --- Thought to mean Elite or Gold Team
2.) "B" Divisions --- Thought to mean New or young "A" Division team
3.) REC Division --- Thought to mean Daddy ball team, playing just in local municipality.

When there is really 4 Classifications of Divisions
1.) Gold Division --- Means the Elite Teams, the best of the best, plays up alot in age or travels out of state to play teams of equal ability.
2.) "A" Division --- Means no player restrictions on residency, or in player participation in other programs.
3.) "B" Division --- Means Players must all play in the same league or must come from a youth program that allows all girls that registered to play, to play on a team ie. no cutting of players.
4.) Rec Division --- Means players play in a government or municipality run program, which has some type of residency requirment.

The problem is the coaches that think they are something they are not.

Gold Division: These teams are still around and are the top teams in Ohio year after year, you know who they are. They travel to other states to play, play year round etc. These teams will get bigger and better, as there is now even more talent to choose from. This division is not an issue except for more teams should be in this class, instead of "A" Division. ie. Lazers, Slammers

"A" Division: Second biggest problem area. To many of these teams and coaches think they are an Elite team, when in fact they are just an "A" Team by all standards. Untill these teams have no equal in the "A" Division then there just an "A" Team.

"B" Division: Here is the largest problem area. To many new or young "A" Teams think they are in this division, which is right based on their talent but they should be playing in fastpitch league and doing "B" tournaments to get these girls to the next level. Just because you are the worst "A" Division team does not mean you are a "B" Division team then. Play at your teams level and in the appropriate place.

Rec Division: not an issue, but many high talent ball players are in this division. To many players or parents in this group do not know about travel or cant afford it. The top players in this group can and will be able to compete with anyone but they need a coach that can teach them the needed skills and to teach them the game. Most coaches though dont want to or are not able to teach, so they look for the girls that do not need this training ie the real Elite or "A" division player which are not in the rec program.

Coaches know what class team you are, and play at that level, work on making your team and players better. If the real "B" teams recurit out of other "B" teams and out of the Rec programs, then teach and train the girls the "A" Division teams will gain even more talent to choose from in return. Then the Gold teams will get even more talent to choose from coming out of the "A" Division and so on.

Work together as teams and organizations to build each Division up. Quit miss classifing your teams and then complaining its because the talent pool is watered down. If its done right the talent pool will be bigger and better then it has ever been, this is what seperates the south and west teams from Ohio.
 
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Sorry, I was lost from the get go, guess I was all caught up by the enormous crow-hop in your avatar.
 
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Sorry, I was lost from the get go, guess I was all caught up by the enormous crow-hop in your avatar.

Mens Fastpitch has no rule on crow hop, or foot drag, its perfectly legal.....
 
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Most coaches DO teach their players. Not all coaches look for studs, but rather players with potential. I know I speak for MOST coaches when I say that I spend enormous amounts of time trying to prepare my players, whether it is 3 times a week in the barn working my pitchers and catchers, Saturday practices, weekly scrimmages, coaches clinics to better myself, or extra instruction for my own kids as well as other kids in the community who I work with that aren't on my team. I think once people have a bad experience with a coach, they tend to lump all coaches as stud seeking, daddy/mommy ball playing, glory hounds. While this kind of coach is a reality, it is not the majority. Most coaches are there to teach the girls to play ball, have a good time, spend some time with their kids, and hopefully win some games. We spend a ton of time and money for the girls and if anyone can do it better, step up to the plate and let's see it.
 
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Most coaches DO teach their players. Not all coaches look for studs, but rather players with potential. I know I speak for MOST coaches when I say that I spend enormous amounts of time trying to prepare my players, whether it is 3 times a week in the barn working my pitchers and catchers, Saturday practices, weekly scrimmages, coaches clinics to better myself, or extra instruction for my own kids as well as other kids in the community who I work with that aren't on my team. I think once people have a bad experience with a coach, they tend to lump all coaches as stud seeking, daddy/mommy ball playing, glory hounds. While this kind of coach is a reality, it is not the majority. Most coaches are there to teach the girls to play ball, have a good time, spend some time with their kids, and hopefully win some games. We spend a ton of time and money for the girls and if anyone can do it better, step up to the plate and let's see it.


As always... YOU GO GIRL... Still love the signature and why you changed it. Well said!:cap:
 
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I agree with you klump. But I think there is some merit to this. How many coaches want to take on a team of girls that although athletic have no knowledge of fastpitch and little skills to go with it. But somee of these girls within a 2 or 3 year period could be stud players.

As a TD i will say though, Warmachine is right about the coaches miss classification thing. Teams are always trying to enter as "B" teams when not a single girl on the team even plays in a league. Which is what .A.S.A. says all girls must play in the same league to be an "B" team..
 
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Klump is my girl (just rhetorically speaking in a full support your opinion kind of way).
 
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Sorry, I was lost from the get go, guess I was all caught up by the enormous crow-hop in your avatar.

Too funny!!!

Totally derailed the thread. :D :D :D

Sorry dude, really couldn't tell from the pic. No offense intended.

I was thinking the same thing---that it was just a "healthy" girl.

Dang avatars are too small for these aging eyes. :eek:
 
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Classification is always a tough subject when the assocation classify teams differently and it confuses the coaches and parents.

USSSA

"A" is "A"
"B" is "B"
"C" is rec

ASA

Gold
"A"
"B" = rec

As for tournaments... there should be a dual classification in events. But, many TD's don't do that..... a couple do.. but not many. Reason why? It's hard to draw two separate divisions.. in the same age group.
Or I don't see a TD going this route: "I'm having an all "B" tournament or an all "A" tournament.
 
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Classification is always a tough subject when the assocation classify teams differently and it confuses the coaches and parents.

USSSA

"A" is "A"
"B" is "B"
"C" is rec

ASA

Gold
"A"
"B" = rec

As for tournaments... there should be a dual classification in events. But, many TD's don't do that..... a couple do.. but not many. Reason why? It's hard to draw two separate divisions.. in the same age group.
Or I don't see a TD going this route: "I'm having an all "B" tournament or an all "A" tournament.

Sorry Tim A.S.A. is not nor has ever been "B" = rec
"B" = all the players must play in the same League. This would also allow the teams in this new "Cincy Select Fastpitch League (CSL) " to be now qualified as "B" teams and be able to play "B" nationals

A.S.A does have a "C" class but only a few states use it
 
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The Cincy Select Fastpitch League (CSL) can be found in this old thread
http://www.game-ex.com/vb3/showthread.php?t=22557

OK, so the question I see that NEEDS to be asked, "WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AUDITING A TEAM AND THEIR CLASSIFICATION? THINK THE TD SHOULD HAVE SOME OF THIS RESPONSIBILITY WITH SOME SORT OF CHECKLIST TO VALIDATE CLASSIFICATION BY SANCTIONING AUTHORITY. WOULD A TD ACTUALLY SAY NO TO A TEAM THAT IS "B" IF HE NEEDED ANOTHER TEAM TO FILL AN "A" BRACKET?

Love this idea, but I dont' see how this can be MANAGED, unless the TD's and Coaches attending tournaments sanctioned as GOLD, A, B, REC..... actually challenge teams that enter with suspect classifications.

Hmmmm.
 
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I think it should fall on the TD, although I would never turn a team away unless they were grossly over matched. Our tournaments are "A" qualifiers and will not award "B" berths, you play "A" you go to "A", no hardware hunting. JMHO
 
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Having enough participation to divide them up into 3 or 4 divisions is a good problem to have! I for one would put the top "A' level teams from Ohio against any of the southern states teams and most of the west coast teams. Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Pennsylvania will be (and has been) well represented at Nationals.

For those who have not witnessed ASA Men's fastpitch, the crow hop on warmachine18's avatar is modest. Check it out sometime and you will be shocked that anyone gets a hit.

JMO
 
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Sorry Rick A.S.A. is not nor has ever been "B" = rec
"B" = all the players must play in the same League. This would also allow the teams in this new "Cincy Select Fastpitch League (CSL) " to be now qualified as "B" teams and be able to play "B" nationals

A.S.A does have a "C" class but only a few states use it

Here's the link to ASA Rules on Classification of "B" Look under Section "H" which starts on the bottom of a page and finishes on the next page. Read past the SAME LEAGUE part . Page 8 actually

link: http://www.asasoftball.com/iowa/2009 iowa ASA classification code.pdf

After you read this... tell me what travel team can be under this classification. There is MORE to the rule than playing in the same league....lol
 

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