The simple reason Cali teams are better then Ohio

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I relocated to Arizona to afford my kid the chance to attend the University of Arizona, as that is her goal! I knew there was no way for my kid to attend UA while living in Ohio (unless I paid for it), it's proven that West Coast does not recruit in the Midwest because the money they save by recruiting in state versus out of state. Any kid could be the best Ohio has to offer, but the expense to have out of state players versus in state players on scholarship is very substantial, thus decreased the odds of my kid getting a shot at UA, but I've increased her chances by probably 40% because we are now in state, the rest is up to her now! I did my part as a parent and now it's her turn as well as the organization she plays for to make her better and afford her and the team the opportunity to be successful and get scouted!!
I'm not saying people need to go through what we did and then move West, but you can always get on a plane and make it happen! I think Ohio offers great pitching as well as hitting, we moved here and my kid hasn't missed a beat, thanks to Ohio Coaching and the Stringray Organization.

The biggest difference I see from West to East is winning is #1, even on Saturdays! If your kid is to be the pitching stud on the team and be the stand out or where parents can brag and say we won because of her pitching, they are not on the elite teams. It's absolutely about team ball, knowing your roll, always being agressive and not worrying about parents thoughts when making coaching descisions. I see girls getting benched and not for just a game if they have an attitude or are not agressive, they dont allow them to play if the GPA falls below 2.5, they absolutely cut "I" players and parents.
It took me 3 teams/organizations to find an Elite team with same goals and aspirations as my kid, otherwise we joined the same type of teams that we had seen in Ohio, and as an Ohioan those are classified as "B" teams. I'd rather my kid sit the bench on an elite team and have her work to earn a spot, than put her with another organization that cares about playing time or Daddy Ball, and say they want to play against the best, but yet go play in weak tournaments. I witnessed the Head Coach suspending his own dd out here, cutting players that wanted to goof off!

Check the organizations that did well at ASA/USA Nationals last year. Ask them what thier goals were and what did they do to get there? I'm sure they all will state they had control of their team, didn't care about playing time and played to win every game and didn't go around to weak tournaments to get a trophy! Follow their lead, as they are doing it correctly, it takes a team of players to win a softball game, not a team of parents (they should get along is all). Keep in mind kids get better by playing with better kids, not by playing to keep a team together for 10 years, it's either about winning or it's about a very expensive social group for both parents and players. I love to drink and hang out with the parents, it's a good time, but at the end of the day, its about winning and doing what it takes to put the best team on the field in every situation and affording the kids the ability to be successful and furthering thier abilities to play at the next level. I'd be happy if the parents didn't socailize if that's what had to be done to make my kid better and for the team to be successful, but as we all know, friendships are built through winning, and not whinning!!!! You want be like West Coast, then ask Ca. if they recruit players from all 4 courners of the state, if practice is mandatory 2 days a week, if driving 5 hours at least once every 2 months to play the best competition is required, if parents are allowed to give thier kids any advice during a game, ask if they care how many innings each player plays is important, ask if they have a problem with fund raisers, if real travel softball costs a family an average of $3500/$5000 a year, if trophies are important, ask if they play all year to make a run at the ASA/USA Nationals? Get those answers and you will understand West Coast Softball!! It's not about friendships (that's a bonus) it's about softball and what ever it takes to get to the next level, and if you cant handle criticism or failure then go find another sport!!
Here is where we play and a list of teams this coming weekend Jan 23/24th, and I'll be more than happy to ask any Ca. team any questions Ohio may want answered. Let me know
http://www.triplecrownsports.com/whoscoming.asp?results=False&sportid=3&tournyid=3788
 
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Rog --good post --but remember --- PARAGRAPHS ARE YOUR FRIEND ! LOL PS I thought you played this past weekend ? Dan
 
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Any kid could be the best Ohio has to offer, but the expense to have out of state players versus in state players on scholarship is very substantial, thus decreased the odds of my kid getting a shot

good point ;)
 
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I made an adjustment for ya MD, lol! We played up at 16U this past weekend went 4-1 for the weekend, Jess did very well for her first tournament with the new team. I'll PM ya her stats!
 
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fastptchlvr:

The level of your discourse tells me that you are a bitter person who gets pleasure out of calling other people names because they voice an opinion that is not ABSOLUTELY IDENTICAL to yours. And I find it funny that you chastise me to get off my butt and fix Ohio's problems. If you are willing to pay me $100 an hour (which is about 1/3 of my billable rate) for all the hours that I have already spent trying to improve Ohio players, I would gladly quit my day job and work on the task full time.

And who do you think it is that I am brown-nosing by pointing to some of the sources of Ohio's tier 2 play? That part really has me puzzled.

Finally, several times in your posts you have pointed to your DD as reflective of how good Ohio ball is. Does that mean you know she is being, or will be, recruited by the PAC-10 and other highly ranked colleges? If so, I congratulate your DD on a remarkable achievement. If not, I would ask you to reexamine whose ego is showing the most in this thread's conversation about the level of play in Ohio.

Sometimes it doesn't hurt to sit on your own frustrations and exercise civility in your discourse. We aren't here to make you feel good by blessing everything you say and I for one will never be inclined to agree publicly with you on anything, given all the gratuitously denigrating comments that you feel compelled to sling about.

People disagree with me on this site all the time and that's a good thing if their opinions are reasonable and thoughtful, leading me to reexamine my opinions and decide whether I still hold them. I can assure you that your credibility with me is so low that wild accusations and inflammatory comments from you simply reinforce my beliefs.
 
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For those at the Bustos Clinic. We had 4 days of clinics and CB asked each day how many kids had practiced on their own, after paying $$$ to come to a clinic and learn hitting. Only a handful could raise their hands . She made a point she had a 12U girl in Calf that could make any college team right now. So if they are practicing and our girls are not, seems pretty easy why the are better. E ach time she had did a clinic in the Midwest she asked the same ?. We keep getting the same answer. I'm going to guess that less than 5 % showed they practice 3 days a week or more. So, how do you expect Coaches to solve why Ohio ball players are not as good as Cali players, when parents and kids don't take the sport serious. Same thing I hear from my wife when she gets home from school. The kids didn't learn it must be the teacher! Heaven forbid the kid has to study to learn . So do you think these kids can learn correct hand path in one hitting lesson or does it take hours or practice. We got the answer, no they expect a $300 bat will solve all the problems.

. If they want to play in college , then they must learn to practice what they learn. Few are from what we are being told by them.
 
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I love Ohio fastpitch. I let my frustrations with you guys get me fired up. Act like a bunch of know it alls.
All the idolizing you people do is funny. Just like in life behind kissing is so funny. I am glad you all can't notice it. Maybe you should all bring your noses back down to earth and you will be able to see Ohio has some darn good players.
The population is the only difference. My oldest DD has played for over 10 years and 6 of them has been year round. Can you believe it even here in Ohio you can play and practice year round.

My question to you is this.......... what team do you coach or does your dd play on and what tournies do you play in............. the talent you see is relative to the level of play your at and what your used to . I can tell you this, if you have never played outside Ohio how can you judge what the big ole world is like.
Only 3% of kids in the US play ball in the SEC or the PAC 10. This from a coach at a SEC camp we went to
Think of these numbers. Every fall, roughly 3,500 to 4,000 young women will enter four-year colleges as new recruits destined for the softball team. Of this total number, 80% will go to play for Division II, and Division III and NAIA college teams, and 90% will be going to schools that are located east of the state of Colorado! Of this total number, only about 50% will get any softball-based aid. (Players may get lots of other kinds of financial aid, but a lot of students will not be signing a National Letter of Intent.) And, finally, of the above total number only about 75 to 100 athletes will go to Top 20 Division I teams. (This means only three to four kids a year will go to an Arizona or a Texas.)
Do you know of any of the 3% in Ohio?.
These are the best of the best.. and they are not from here, Its simple math,,,,,, numbers dont lie, Does that mean I dont think we have kids that can play at that level.......... no it means our kids wont play at that level.......... theres not enough desire from our kids to be that 3%......... The sheer number of kids out west and down south wanting to be at that level is ovewheleming. Ohio has it to easy. Tons of D1,,s thru NAIA to attend that are less then 3 hours drive. So relax add more fiber to your diet and enjoy the sport

Tim
 
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My question to you is this.......... what team do you coach or does your dd play on and what tournies do you play in............. the talent you see is relative to the level of play your at and what your used to . I can tell you this, if you have never played outside Ohio how can you judge what the big ole world is like. ......



I ask the same thing and did'nt get a response , maybe you will .... MD
 
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For those at the Bustos Clinic. We had 4 days of clinics and CB asked each day how many kids had practiced on their own, after paying $$$ to come to a clinic and learn hitting. Only a handful could raise their hands . She made a point she had a 12U girl in Calf that could make any college team right now. So if they are practicing and our girls are not, seems pretty easy why the are better. E ach time she had did a clinic in the Midwest she asked the same ?. We keep getting the same answer. I'm going to guess that less than 5 % showed they practice 3 days a week or more. So, how do you expect Coaches to solve why Ohio ball players are not as good as Cali players, when parents and kids don't take the sport serious. Same thing I hear from my wife when she gets home from school. The kids didn't learn it must be the teacher! Heaven forbid the kid has to study to learn . So do you think these kids can learn correct hand path in one hitting lesson or does it take hours or practice. We got the answer, no they expect a $300 bat will solve all the problems.

. If they want to play in college , then they must learn to practice what they learn. Few are from what we are being told by them.


That is a valid point. I have started my dd with what began as a pitching journal, but since she has been working on quite a bit of hitting it is now called a softball journal. She has been very good about keeping track of what she does on a daily basis for several weeks now. When she goes a couple days writing "Nothing" across the page she actually starts looking to get in some drills. It has worked incredibly better than me nagging at her to get in gear.
Motivation and desire are traits that are not taught by coaches or parents, but have to come from the player. We can tell them the costs and rewards of having a good work ethic when it comes to sports, school, and life in general, but if they do not take the initiative on their own, it will just be an exercise in futility.
 
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Great idea for the journal, Steve. We were thinking of doing something like that as well.
 
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I wish that money was no object for me. There are 11 girls all from the good state of Ohio. I have seen all of these girls play. There abilities and knowledge of the game are outstanding. I would travel the country playing teams from all over and I could guarantee we would do fantastic. I don't have to worry about it because I'm no millionaire.

You know that everyone one of has watched, seen and coached alot of players. Some of those players have blown us away. Everyone that coaches has to admit, there are other players around Ohio you have seen play. That you wish you could have on your team. It would be fun to fill your own dream team Ohio has quite a few girls who are top quality.

Congrats to all who put their time in to these girls here and around this great land of ours. Regardless of one's opinions I think we are in it for the same reasons. To see the girls be successfull
 
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I relocated to Arizona to afford my kid the chance to attend the University of Arizona, as that is her goal! I knew there was no way for my kid to attend UA while living in Ohio (unless I paid for it), it's proven that West Coast does not recruit in the Midwest because the money they save by recruiting in state versus out of state. Any kid could be the best Ohio has to offer, but the expense to have out of state players versus in state players on scholarship is very substantial, thus decreased the odds of my kid getting a shot at UA, but I've increased her chances by probably 40% because we are now in state, the rest is up to her now! I did my part as a parent and now it's her turn as well as the organization she plays for to make her better and afford her and the team the opportunity to be successful and get scouted!!
I'm not saying people need to go through what we did and then move West, but you can always get on a plane and make it happen! I think Ohio offers great pitching as well as hitting, we moved here and my kid hasn't missed a beat, thanks to Ohio Coaching and the Stringray Organization.

The biggest difference I see from West to East is winning is #1, even on Saturdays! If your kid is to be the pitching stud on the team and be the stand out or where parents can brag and say we won because of her pitching, they are not on the elite teams. It's absolutely about team ball, knowing your roll, always being agressive and not worrying about parents thoughts when making coaching descisions. I see girls getting benched and not for just a game if they have an attitude or are not agressive, they dont allow them to play if the GPA falls below 2.5, they absolutely cut "I" players and parents.
It took me 3 teams/organizations to find an Elite team with same goals and aspirations as my kid, otherwise we joined the same type of teams that we had seen in Ohio, and as an Ohioan those are classified as "B" teams. I'd rather my kid sit the bench on an elite team and have her work to earn a spot, than put her with another organization that cares about playing time or Daddy Ball, and say they want to play against the best, but yet go play in weak tournaments. I witnessed the Head Coach suspending his own dd out here, cutting players that wanted to goof off!

Check the organizations that did well at ASA/USA Nationals last year. Ask them what thier goals were and what did they do to get there? I'm sure they all will state they had control of their team, didn't care about playing time and played to win every game and didn't go around to weak tournaments to get a trophy! Follow their lead, as they are doing it correctly, it takes a team of players to win a softball game, not a team of parents (they should get along is all). Keep in mind kids get better by playing with better kids, not by playing to keep a team together for 10 years, it's either about winning or it's about a very expensive social group for both parents and players. I love to drink and hang out with the parents, it's a good time, but at the end of the day, its about winning and doing what it takes to put the best team on the field in every situation and affording the kids the ability to be successful and furthering thier abilities to play at the next level. I'd be happy if the parents didn't socailize if that's what had to be done to make my kid better and for the team to be successful, but as we all know, friendships are built through winning, and not whinning!!!! You want be like West Coast, then ask Ca. if they recruit players from all 4 courners of the state, if practice is mandatory 2 days a week, if driving 5 hours at least once every 2 months to play the best competition is required, if parents are allowed to give thier kids any advice during a game, ask if they care how many innings each player plays is important, ask if they have a problem with fund raisers, if real travel softball costs a family an average of $3500/$5000 a year, if trophies are important, ask if they play all year to make a run at the ASA/USA Nationals? Get those answers and you will understand West Coast Softball!! It's not about friendships (that's a bonus) it's about softball and what ever it takes to get to the next level, and if you cant handle criticism or failure then go find another sport!!
Here is where we play and a list of teams this coming weekend Jan 23/24th, and I'll be more than happy to ask any Ca. team any questions Ohio may want answered. Let me know
http://www.triplecrownsports.com/whoscoming.asp?results=False&sportid=3&tournyid=3788
In other words, people out west and other successful families understand that your kids softball career needs to be approached in a business like manner. Should it be fun, sure, but if you are trying to land a scholarship that could mean thousands of dollars, there has to be that understanding that there is more to it than fun. Sometimes really tough decisions need to be made. Tough decisions such as, Changing schools, locations, summer teams, coaches, training and methods. Sometimes your decisions are not popular ones with the locals, but it is not they that you are concerned with. Not all players fall into this catagory, but the serious one need to have this understanding.
 
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While I understand Bustos point in an earlier post. There is not a 12 year old that can play for any college team. Remember folks, just like some of these coaches, including myself, you have to wade through the bs to get to the actually point. My dd could practice twice as hard as Bustos, I could send to her to the best private coaches, I could fly her around the country. And she would not ever, ever come close to being the hitter that Bustos is. You can blame me for that - genes. Do you not think that there are guys that out work LeBron. LeBron is a freak, and so is Bustos, Finch, Whately,..etc.
 
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Now each of you can see why Howard made the comments at the Camp concerning this thread.
 
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While I understand Bustos point in an earlier post. There is not a 12 year old that can play for any college team. Remember folks, just like some of these coaches, including myself, you have to wade through the bs to get to the actually point. My dd could practice twice as hard as Bustos, I could send to her to the best private coaches, I could fly her around the country. And she would not ever, ever come close to being the hitter that Bustos is. You can blame me for that - genes. Do you not think that there are guys that out work LeBron. LeBron is a freak, and so is Bustos, Finch, Whately,..etc.

I have made the point about genes for years. It's the same thing that drives me nuts about the "diet" craze and "obesity". My DD is a DI pitcher, 5' 9" 165# (more or less) and she's OBESE by medical standards! It's a cookie cutter approach - and unfortunately you can't lump all body types and metabolisms into one group. But when there's money to be made, smoke, mirrors and misinformation abound! A great example is the infamous "Food Pyramid" which is obviously more economics based than health based.

Likewise, every single kid IS NOT college softball capable simply because of training methods, training intensity, etc. College softball coaches know that, but lots of parents won't admit it!

Not trying to be negative by any means, just being realistic. In the end, you have to take what the good Lord gave you and make the most of it - whatever that is! And it might not be sports!
 
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I have made the point about genes for years. It's the same thing that drives me nuts about the "diet" craze and "obesity". My DD is a DI pitcher, 5' 9" 165# (more or less) and she's OBESE by medical standards! It's a cookie cutter approach - and unfortunately you can't lump all body types and metabolisms into one group. But when there's money to be made, smoke, mirrors and misinformation abound! A great example is the infamous "Food Pyramid" which is obviously more economics based than health based.

Likewise, every single kid IS NOT college softball capable simply because of training methods, training intensity, etc. College softball coaches know that, but lots of parents won't admit it!

Not trying to be negative by any means, just being realistic. In the end, you have to take what the good Lord gave you and make the most of it - whatever that is! And it might not be sports!

Mommy and Daddy goggles wont pick up natural ability.
 
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