New ball ratings for NSA

bouldersdad said:

After readin everyones post, and readin Hitters twice , I have a question,,,,,,, where is the big out break of bat altering in girls travel ball?. I must be turnin into a skeptic because its gettin more difficult to believe anything I see that has the words, Offical, Rules and by-Laws from any Sanction. Anytime a sanction preaches about safety theres normaly a hitch....... were gonne make the game safer.... but......... heres the but, its gonna cost you a new bat, Well they have almost made the bats equal in ball exit speed, so now all that matters is how pretty it is to the dd in question because a Miken and a Wally World Special arnt that far apart, so lets concentrate on the ball, USSSA did it the previous year and besides a few complaints from malcontents the overall views from the sheeple seemed to be agreeable. I wonderd how long it would take after USSSA started using a flight restricted ball before the rest of the sanctions would climb on board the safety train. Is it about safety, I dont think so, in all honesty I think its about leveling the playing field between offense and defense, for years fastpitch was a pitchers/catchers game, with the advancement of hitting instruction, and better bats the scale is becoming more geard to the offense and we cant have that, more offense means more excitement, but not at the risk of somone suing one of the sanctions,,,,,, so we must make things equal, So now we are hitting mush balls with Walmart special bats, ........dont we all feel better and safer?..... so to all you doo gooder Bueraucrats....get out of our pockets and out of our game and leave us alone.

Know what they call 500 Bureaucrats chained together at the bottom of the ocean........ a pretty good start

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Tim it has all become a joke....you pick a bat company and look at the warranty. Do not use below 60 degrees is what most say. Now Anderson claims there bat is only good for about 5,000 hits. Why because the ball temperature can cause their bat to dent below 60 degrees. Another bat company claims you will void the warranty if you hit telephone poles!!!! Check out the bat warranties and it is funny just reading them.

How many games in the Midwest are played above 50 degrees in March or April? Now lets put the lawyers in game mode...if the bat company can not make a bat to withstand being used in less than 60 degrees then they should not allow the game to played with that equipment. Why? If the bat can be damaged or dented and it was checked before the game and lets say it is dented on the first at bat and on the second at bat it breaks in half and hurts the pitcher or third baseman. Whose is liable for it? If the umpire allowed the game to continue knowing it was 59 degrees because the bat manufacturer did not specify plus or minus any degree less than 60 then the game MUST be stopped because they are using equipment that the bat company has already identified as unsafe below 60 degrees as it could dent the bat! ASA and the NCAA have their heads in the sand in my opinion if they think for one minute that they should not be sued if someone were hurt using a bat that has already been deemed unsafe for use by the bat company if the temp falls below 60 degrees. It would have to be handled like a rain delay and wait for the temp to get to 60 again. The umpire needs a direct hook up to the Weather Bureau for up to the minute temperatures so they can call the games. Louisville Slugger was sued by a parent claiming their son did not know the inherit dangers of being hit by a batted ball as a pitcher and the court and a jury of our peers granted a big time settlement to some really stupid parents and I am indeed sorry for their loss, however they must have been negligent to have even endangered their child by letting him play the game in the first place or never say enough games played to understand the risks associated with the game.

If the ASA wants to control the bat standards step up and do it! Make sure the bats are safe and demand it by putting it in a standard that the bats can be used safely to 40 degrees because I have been there when the games were played OR make the balls variable temperature balls if the bat makers are too shy to make a product that is durable enough to withstand the less than 60 degree temperatures. I have always felt technology accounted for about 20 feet on the balls flight and it was technique verses technology. If Anderson claims less than 60 degrees will void the warranty and dent the bat, I would buy the Walmart Specials at $59.95 plus tax or use a composite in this neck of the country and only use the RT when Brits team is behind in a game on a nice sunny warm day that you needed a win unless the parents on her team would chip in to replace the bat I can potentially dent when the temp is less than 60 degrees. I guess it depends on how bad they want to win!

A lot of these parents actually believe they can buy a home run with certain bats....:lmao:

By the way look up the company that claims hitting telephone poles will void the warranty....this has your name all over it as probably having tried to exchange a bat before after the stuff you use to make Brit do anyway

Did it say anything about hitting tires? Tim I guess you are still OK.. Howard would like you to bring back the axe bat, when you are done having Britt gather wood for next winter.

I know in the men's game with Class D", "C" and "B" , umpires are hard to fine to do the game as the games last so long with ridiculous scores of 38-35.

SS are having to play so deep because of the speed of the ball coming through the infield.. to the point.... that if the player himself can't get the ball within a couple steps it's through the infield... and even if he did get the ball... he can't throw him out at first as the bases are 65 feet. Sometime 70 feet ( depends on what sanction).

On the men's side the game is getting worse year to year... and with more sanctions going to a softer ball... you are seeing more renegade tournaments in the men's game.

There is a company outside of St. Louis advertising shaving bats for girls. WOW. Now that is definately scary.

I've seen the guys get their new bat out of the wrapper and start banging them on light poles at the parks. Wooden poles that is. It's funny. One guy will swing for a little bit.. then another takes over for a few swings and then another, etc... until the bat is ready for the game.

I pitched in the mid-70's when the rubber was set at 40 ft. Now it is set 50 and then the pitcher is still allowed to go back 6 ft more and pitch behind the rubber ( and many do).

Money, money, money is what it is all about....

When is safety going to trump money ? Your guess is as good as mine.

The easiest way to a safer game is to control the ball. I dont care how hot a bat is, if the ball is a sock it isnt going anywhere fast. A lower compression ball is the answer. Some of we older guys remember the old wound Dudley softball. It was pretty lively in the first couple innings, but then it was pretty dead. If you didnt get your homeruns early, you were not likely to get them late.
Pretty simple solution, really.

And before the foul ball rules in slow pitch.. you'd just foul them off until you could find a better " sock" to hit....LOL

I say control the ball in fastpitch as well. It's the way to safety is my mind versus waiting on the bat manufacturers.

If I remember correctly, Easton started this mess in the late 1960's, then again in the early 1980's with aircraft-grade aluminum, then Easton, along with other bat companies, were making bats of different metals and composites. Back in the day I was a Steele man for softball and a Worth "Tennessee Thumper" boy for baseball. My guess is that most of today's slow pitch players couldn't swing the old Steele with much success. It was a 34"/35oz bat with a small sweet spot.

Tim, there are some fathers who do have their dd's bat rolled and/or shaved for greater performance, just at a much lower rate than in slow pitch. These fathers roll and shave their dd's bats because the dd wouldn't be worth a damn if it wasn't altered.

What really needs to happen is for this sport to go back and break out the softballs and bats from 50 years ago.

Len

I saw a link that was posted awhile back.. not in the thread... but in a PM and couldn't believe it... just couldn't believe that any person or company was willing to make a sell of $15.00 and shipping costs... to compromise safety of these girls.

I'll never understand people and their thoughts of such.

I remember the Steele bat. But I remember most, one of the first solid core balls that Steel made. You had to be a brute to hit it hard enough to make it work the way it was designed. Worth also had one of the first solid core balls. They never got soft, and they flew like hawks...lol
Yeah, bring back the "Bomb Bat" that would certainly assure a great level of safety...lol

i say go back to the old steel bats just found my wife's bat from the 80s it was in my dds room she says she warms up with it big bat 34in 34oz