Injuries

default · May 7, 2010

buckncm; in reading the original post more carefully.... I see your point.

If the paperwork said she could play 'if she wasn't in pain' then there is definitely a lot of grey area here. It would be up to her if she was capable and not in pain but the coach could certainly put pressure on her to play (and her teammates) and mom/dad could try to get her to sit out; OR they could step up and forbid it. A note like that puts a lot of the burden on the player..... At the same time it should alert a coach to be careful....

If the note was a ' no play' then she shouldn't be back on the field until she gets a release form her doctor; no grey area here.

default · May 8, 2010

buckncm said:
What do you mean she's been bullied all season? I'm probably gonna get my butt kicked on here for this but, from the "limited" information you've provided; I'm gonna put it off on the injured player, and here's why....I'm gonna assume you're talking about a Varsity program consisting of girls from 14 to 18 yrs old. So you have 8th graders that are nothing more than 1yr older to full grown women. She was given the choice by her doctor to play if she wasn't in pain. She played, so I have to assume that she wasn't in pain. If for some other reason she played and shouldn't have and she was "affraid" to say she couldn't then she obviously wasn't mentally tough enough to be in a Varsity program. You never did say if we were dealing with a freshman or upperclassman. So what I've outlined is my assumption that she is a freshman playing with a team full of upperclassman. Now on the flip side of this, if she is a frosh on a JV or freshman team and she's letting herself get bullied and affraid to tell the coach she can't play, yes I said "letting herself get bullied", because bullies are cowards and easily dealt with, then she should consider giving up softball all together.

I know my post was a little harsh, but this sounds more like someone that has a problem with the HS coach, and using bits and pieces of a situation to get sympathy for a player at the expense of the coach. The doctor didn't shut the girl down, they gave her the choice, so obviously it wasn't a season ending injury.

I know of a HS team out there right now that has an injured player playing right now. The doctor gave her the same instruction, you can play if there is no pain. The coach is ok with that, the parents are ok with that, the player is ok with that, and the doctor is ok with that. Well there is another parent with a player on the same team who's DD just so happens to be the backup to the girl who is injured. Which means she's ridding the bench. Well this parent went to the AD to try to get the coach fired for letting the injured girl, who is following her doctors orders; play. When that didn't work he went higher in an attempt to get the injured girl removed from the team because he was so concerned that she was going to injure herself further. What it boiled down to was getting this girl sidelined would mean that his DD would get to play!

So IMHO the story on this thread has a odd similar smell to it. My point is that posting situations on here and giving very limited details doesn't give us a far shot at giving good advise. Especially when HS sports are involved, because there a alot of parents out there that will do whatever they can to gain some sort of advantage on a coach and then dangle it over his/her head all year long. I will go one step farther and blame the parents because if they were concerned about their DD well being they should have shut her down themselves. Even more so because they knew she was being bullied all season and was affraid to say no. Their daughter is a minor so the parents can speak for her. As for the AD being mia, when they finally talk to him/her that's exactly what I would tell them. If you're daughter shouldn't have been playing, then you as "GOOD" parents should have made sure that didn't happen.

Parents are fully aware that they should have asked more questions & one of them should have been there. I hope you never make parenting mistakes that you can't go back & undo. This has nothing to do with dangling anything over anyones head. It's about where you go from here. Do you stand up or say nothing & let it happen to another kid? It's acceptable for a coach to have a player telling them that they are sore, they hurt, they can not do it & are under a dr's care, but the coach can say they don't have a choice, the team needs them, she is the best shot they have at winning? Coaches can do whatever they want & the blame is on the player & parents? Player is an upperclassman, in fact. One of the few that is dedicated to the sport in a school where all athletics are a joke & serious players in all sports take alot of heat. That is those that don't bail for the local Catholic school. Girl knows she should have held her ground, but that doesn't place the blame solely on her IMO. She is kicking herself now since the pain is constant, her season is over & she is praying to God that she doesn't need surgery.

default · May 8, 2010

Warriors21 said:
It's about where you go from here. Do you stand up or say nothing & let it happen to another kid? It's acceptable for a coach to have a player telling them that they are sore, they hurt, they can not do it & are under a dr's care, but the coach can say they don't have a choice, the team needs them, she is the best shot they have at winning? Coaches can do whatever they want & the blame is on the player & parents?

There is no evidence that the coach did anything wrong. What can the parents say, "the doctor said if my daughter wasn't in pain she could play, and can you believe that dog gone coach played her." From what was posted in your previous posts reguarding the situation the parents have no where to go. To make a statement that a coach can do whatever they want is a pretty strong statement. Although I hope everything works out with this young lady's injury, it all boils down to the doctor's instructions. Now if the severity of the injury was miss-diagnosed and she should have been shut down they may have a beef with the doctor, but not the coach.

default · May 8, 2010

"High school player was injured & doctor had restricted her play."
I can only think that this means if its a arm injury that she can run bases but not throw, how else does a doc restrict her play and still be able to play. He is not going to say she can throw but at only 30% or something like that..

default · May 8, 2010

Parma Wildcats said:
"High school player was injured & doctor had restricted her play."
I can only think that this means if its a arm injury that she can run bases but not throw, how else does a doc restrict her play and still be able to play. He is not going to say she can throw but at only 30% or something like that..

Where did you come up with that from this thread? If I were to guess, since the actual injury never was disclosed, I would say that she had a knee injury. Doctors instructions didn't restrict her at all. They simply stated that if the player wasn't in pain she could play. That screams knee more than arm.

default · May 8, 2010

If she is injured she should not be dressing, then there is no problem. I don't dress girls on my HS team that are not playing because of injuries or Dr.'s excuses.

I had a girl for me this year with a severe ankle injury and was out out for 2 weeks. Although I never saw a Dr's excuse, I was told she was out till such and such a date. When that date came and she was dressed I aked her parents if she was ready to go and they said yes. I told the mom if she didn't look good she was coming back out. She didn't look great and is still favoring it, but she is out there contributing.

Reading through the previous posts I would put most of this on the player and parents for not communicating better about their feelings and/or the seriousness of the injury. I see alot of kids try and get out of practice because of illness or injury, but come game time they are ready to go. I tell my players that if they are at practice or games and are dressed to play then they have to give me what they got. If they are sick or injuried I need to know, and they either need to go home or sit off to the side, don't just pick and choose when you want to play and practice. But if you come dressed to participate then your going like everyone else.

default · May 8, 2010

buckncm said:
Where did you come up with that from this thread? If I were to guess, since the actual injury never was disclosed, I would say that she had a knee injury. Doctors instructions didn't restrict her at all. They simply stated that if the player wasn't in pain she could play. That screams knee more than arm.

I was just stating what i thought would be a good senerio in the case of a doctors restriction. I cant imagin that if it was a leg injury that a doctor would say your restricted to __blank___ how would you restrict to anything but walking if it is a leg injury, I have seen leg injuries where the doctor restricts a person from jumping, going up and/or down stairs or running but have never personally heard a doctor say something like; "something is wrong and you can still play but if your in pain then sit out otherwise you can still run, jump and play"

seems if it were a restriction by a doctor it would make more sense to restrict using the injuried body part but everything else is ok...Back in the football days if you had a sprained ankle you were restricted at practice from running, but the coach could still make you do pushups, situps, pullups and weight training untill you puked but you could not run..

default · May 8, 2010

Player told coach repeatedly that she was in pain, but was ignored & told to **** it up. Other players have stepped up to verify this. That isn't wrong? Injury is believed to be a labral tear in the shoulder.

default · May 8, 2010

Warriors21 said:
Player told coach repeatedly that she was in pain, but was ignored & told to **** it up. Other players have stepped up to verify this. That isn't wrong? Injury is believed to be a labral tear in the shoulder.

The parents should have shut her down given the situation plain and simple. Knowing their DD didn't have what it took to stick up for herself then they should have just kept her out. I agree with Lady Knight.

As far as Parma Wildcat......the factual senerio that I outlined earlier in a post about a current player on a HS team having an injury that the doc gave her clearance on as long as she wasn't in pain. She has a knee injury and needs surgery. It happened early in the season and she's batting over 450 and has 3 wins as a pitcher and 4 saves. When she's not pitching she plays 1st base. So don't assume that the only way anyone can play is by running bases if they have an arm injury.

default · May 8, 2010

buckncm said:
The parents should have shut her down given the situation plain and simple. Knowing their DD didn't have what it took to stick up for herself then they should have just kept her out. I agree with Lady Knight.

As far as Parma Wildcat......the factual senerio that I outlined earlier in a post about a current player on a HS team having an injury that the doc gave her clearance on as long as she wasn't in pain. She has a knee injury and needs surgery. It happened early in the season and she's batting over 450 and has 3 wins as a pitcher and 4 saves. When she's not pitching she plays 1st base. So don't assume that the only way anyone can play is by running bases if they have an arm injury.

comeon Buckncm, you can admit it, I did get lucky and hit the nail on the head, because it was a arm injury and not a leg injury....

And you said the doctor gave the girl in your senerio CLEARANCE, which is a little different than a doctor signing a letter of RESTRICTIONS........ Clearance means you can do, Restrictions mean you can't do certain things......just saying

default · May 8, 2010

Given the injury, having had labral tear in my left shoulder, and repaired about 2 years ago. This is an injury that most Dr's do not want to go in and work on until they absolutely have to, especially on a young athlete. The Doc told me I could live to a ripe old age with mine but would have some hinderence during certain activities. I had a constant little twinge in the shoulder but was able to do most things with little to no pain.

Since the surgery I wake every morning with stiffness and pain in the shoulder. I would have to say it is worse now then before the surgery, and the Dr. said that may be the case. Live and learn I guess.

Knowing now the injury and the situation I can start to see the picture here. Dr. knows there is an injury but it doesn't really warrant surgery at this time, but gives and open ended medical excuse to give coaches and others a heads up on the injury, and to also give notice she may have good days and bad days with the shoulder so be considerate of that. But the coach, knowing the situation, and 4-5 other girls sreaming for playing time has to take a stand with this player who plays/practice when she wants to or the shoulder allows, and puts the coach in an awkward position. So he finally lays it on the table, you either **** it up and play or you will no longer be playing on this team.
This same scenario happened with me on my job, you either work or go get it fixed, we just can't have you show up when you or your shoulder feels like it.

Alot more communication on everyones part would be better in this situation, and best wishes for the player and her shoulder injury...I feel her pain!!

default · May 9, 2010

LADY_KNIGHTS said:
Given the injury, having had labral tear in my left shoulder, and repaired about 2 years ago. This is an injury that most Dr's do not want to go in and work on until they absolutely have to, especially on a young athlete. The Doc told me I could live to a ripe old age with mine but would have some hinderence during certain activities. I had a constant little twinge in the shoulder but was able to do most things with little to no pain.

Since the surgery I wake every morning with stiffness and pain in the shoulder. I would have to say it is worse now then before the surgery, and the Dr. said that may be the case. Live and learn I guess.

Knowing now the injury and the situation I can start to see the picture here. Dr. knows there is an injury but it doesn't really warrant surgery at this time, but gives and open ended medical excuse to give coaches and others a heads up on the injury, and to also give notice she may have good days and bad days with the shoulder so be considerate of that. But the coach, knowing the situation, and 4-5 other girls sreaming for playing time has to take a stand with this player who plays/practice when she wants to or the shoulder allows, and puts the coach in an awkward position. So he finally lays it on the table, you either **** it up and play or you will no longer be playing on this team.
This same scenario happened with me on my job, you either work or go get it fixed, we just can't have you show up when you or your shoulder feels like it.

Alot more communication on everyones part would be better in this situation, and best wishes for the player and her shoulder injury...I feel her pain!!

So you are saying as a Varsity coach that this injury is putting the coach in an awkward position and that gives you the right to pressure a kid to **** it up or get out of the way, am I reading this correctly?

I do know that my daughter has one of the best varsity coach's in the state and I feel very safe in saying he would never tell a kid on his team anything like this, EVER.

Statements like this make me as a parent truly appreciate our coach and I thank the lord my dd does not play for you.

default · May 9, 2010

Wave Rider said:
So you are saying as a Varsity coach that this injury is putting the coach in an awkward position and that gives you the right to pressure a kid to **** it up or get out of the way, am I reading this correctly?

I do know that my daughter has one of the best varsity coach's in the state and I feel very safe in saying he would never tell a kid on his team anything like this, EVER.

Statements like this make me as a parent truly appreciate our coach and I thank the lord my dd does not play for you.

***First let me start by saying I don't know the entire situation and everything I say is merely speculation***

No, what I am saying is the player is either off with a Dr.'s excuse or she isn't. She can't just play or practice when she feels like it because the Dr. gave her an "open ended" excuse that her arm hurts. As a coach, if she shows up for a practice or game with no excuse then she best be ready to practice, otherwise she should have stayed home or gotten an excuse. If she does have an excuse then we will abide by the Dr.'s recomendations until he clears her.

The awkward position I referred to was when a player brings an excuse that says..."Little Suzie has a labral tear that at this time we are not going to do anything with surgically, she will have periods of pain and discomfort, that at times may require her to sit out of games or practice, but at this time she is clear to play at her own discretion. Should the diagnosis change we will further evaluate her playing status. Sincerely Dr. Dolittle"

You cannot count on this player on a daily basis not knowing when she can or cannot go which is unfair to the team and it's other players. I would say that puts the coach in an awkward position, and a posible ultimatum, depending on the coach.

Again, I don't know the situation, just merely speculating.

And with your simple, closed minded attitude I'm glad your DD doesn't play for me either, I get tired as a coach of dealing with parents like yourself!!

default · May 9, 2010

I was wondering. With the feeling I get. Is this your DD. She is a pitcher. I have met your DD. Her team had a game with our school this past weekend. I was anxious to see her pitch. I seen her after the game during the meal time that, was provided. That she was out hurt. She is darn good and plays with alot of passion for the game. I hope she heals up for summer ball. Not really sure if she is the same you are explaining about. I have lots of problems with our coach and AD. I believe every bit of what you said went on.

default · May 10, 2010

Player is very lucky, no surgery. MRI showed problems with tendons, labrum & rotator cuff muscle, but no tears & large sac of bursitis in the shoulder joint is causing issues.

default · May 10, 2010

Go see Tom Pomerang at Childrens Westerville, he is the best out there for rehab....

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