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Would someone out there be able to tell me if EVERY coach needs to take the ACE this 2011 year or just ONE? Thank you
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knute - we were told that you better have 2 or more coaches with it because if the coach who has it gets tossed, you forfeit that game and any others from that tourney, if nobody else has the certification.
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Are you suggesting the Sparkler is prestigious? :lmao: There are 3 events in Colorado and Triple Crown's Sparkler isn't in the same league with the other 2. Boulder is the prestigious showcase/tournament - it is VERY exclusive and teams don't get into it without having a solid track record in USA/ASA Nationals. Fireworks had the next level of teams, however it remains to be seen what will happen because Triple Crown bought it 1-2 years ago. Sparkler takes any team that enters - teams that either couldn't get in the other 2 or were ignorant of them.
I love it when people close with that - hoping it will let them have the last word...
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Thank you crystlemc. I paid my money to take level 2 but it says I did not complete level one which I did last year and received my card for it. Oh Dear me!
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Well the Sparkler had some good teams in the #1 bracket, So Cal Jet's seemed pretty good had a kid beat us with a walk off in the bottom of the 7th that was signed to Oregon or Oregon State. That was the winner's bracket finals, I'm doubting Coach Day was interested in the Boulder showcase or the Fireworks since every kid was already signed but 1 and she wasnt sure she even wants to play softball in college, a perfect score on your ACT will do that. SGSMagic can be a little guilty of hyperbole, but he means well and is proud of his oragazation. We just dont agree with his ASA angle lol, and I doubt we ever have.
BTW we had college coaches at every game in Colorado, of course they were the coaches who had already signed the girls and were just there to watch. It was interesting to see the coaches watching, cheering and BSing with the parents like some fan lol.
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sorry Uber if i'm prone to "hyberbole"! always been a little hyper and called a "a bole" before! 
I am proud of SGS Magic though. It's ok with me to be in disagreement on the certifications, I've stated my feelings, and other high school coaches have told me the same. Different strokes for different folks though, I ain't losing sleep over any of it! ;-) I was told Coke actually won a B world series, but the person who told me that, could have been wrong. Thanks for the clarifications.
SoCalDad- wasn't trying for the last word as you state, just that I've shared a lot of thoughts on the matter. Those College football sanctions on USC getting ya down? and FWIW, the year Coach Day actually won the 16u division in Colorado, his team did do the showcase/tournament part [was out there almost 2 weeks I believe], but as Uber said, didn't waste their time this year at 18u because everyone was signed.
I am proud of SGS Magic though. It's ok with me to be in disagreement on the certifications, I've stated my feelings, and other high school coaches have told me the same. Different strokes for different folks though, I ain't losing sleep over any of it! ;-) I was told Coke actually won a B world series, but the person who told me that, could have been wrong. Thanks for the clarifications. SoCalDad- wasn't trying for the last word as you state, just that I've shared a lot of thoughts on the matter. Those College football sanctions on USC getting ya down?
and FWIW, the year Coach Day actually won the 16u division in Colorado, his team did do the showcase/tournament part [was out there almost 2 weeks I believe], but as Uber said, didn't waste their time this year at 18u because everyone was signed.
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@MagicSGC:
Whoa Boy, what a lot of misinformation. Can't let this just die.
Anyone who knows anything about the Coke n Ice team, which was a merger of two of Ohio's then top fastpitch teams (a Coke team and an Ohio Ice team) and which included Courtney Pruner among many other excellent players, would never ever believe that team played any "B" event, no matter what the sanctioning body. That team did indeed place 2nd at ASA/USA Nationals and I would be surprised if they played any tournaments that year that weren't ASA sanctioned. I know that my DD's team played them at an ASA tourney that summer.
If you think that the young ladies on that Coke n Ice team or the young ladies on the Elyria Sundogs team (who also placed 2nd at ASA/USA Nationals) didn't have their recruiting process affected by their performances in ASA tournaments at both the national and local levels, then we will have to agree to disagree.
As to your words "I'll stick by my statement that 99% of teams/players could play strickly [sic] ASA/NSA/USSSA and never make much difference and the best way to get recruited is to attend a college camp," we will REALLY have to agree to disagree about that. I have no clue what you are relying on for these two statements.
For myself, with respect to the tournament sanction issue, I rely upon personal knowledge that most if not all of the Ohio players who have been identified on OFC as signing with colleges have played on teams that play a predominantly ASA schedule. In the future, I wouldn't be surprised if the schedules are either ASA or Premier ones. But if anyone out there knows of an Ohio player who got a Division 1 or 2 scholly while only playing on a team whose schedule was "strickly" NSA or Utrip, let me know by posting on this thread, as I am always willing to have my opinions be changed by facts.
As for recruiting clinics being the best way to get recruited, I really think that you are off base in your assumption that clinics without a strong travel ball schedule will be enough. Yes, a player should go to a college's clinic if the player is interested in attending that college. But do you actually believe that just showing up at, let's say, the Ohio State University clinic is going to get every one of the attendees some recruiting interest from OSU? And do you really believe that a player from a team playing an exclusively NSA or Utrip schedule is going to get the same amount of "coaches' eye time" at the clinic as those players that have informed the coaching staff about their results at well-respected ASA tournaments? Again, if you believe those things, we will agree to disagree. For me, the issue is how to grab the coaches' attention from among all the players who attend a particular college's coaching clinic and I'm pretty darn sure that playing exclusively NSA or Utrip isn't going to be much of a grabber.
Again, please understand that I'm NOT saying a player should skip a college clinic if she is interested in that college. As JoeA has pointed out, he does most of his recruiting out of the players who care enough to show up at Whitworth's clinics. But I'm pretty sure he would tell you that the strength of each player's travel ball experience plays a pretty big factor in who gets the most coaches' eye time and the most follow-up from among those players.
OK, then there is your statement that "In fact, our top 18u Magic team has something like 6 D-1 and 6 D-2 and coach Day did the leg work on those commitments, I'll ask him, but I don't think one got offered from any prestigous [sic] tournaments he's played in." I've heard good things about Coach Day and I'd be really interested in hearing from him if he believes that he did or could achieve those same results playing an exclusively NSA or Utrip schedule. If he says he does believe that, then I'd have to ask precisely which D-1 or D-2 programs we are talking about. What I believe is that a college coach, before offering any scholarship money, will want to see a player actually compete in at least one tournament where there are high quality teams and that in Ohio those tournaments are usually ASA tournaments or all sanctions tournaments following, for the most part, ASA rules.
Finally, regarding the $5,000 per team that will be paid in terms of equipment/uniforms to those attending the adidas camp in Utah, if we assume 12 players per team, that would equal $416 in perks. And those uniforms won't be real useful after the Utah camp is completed. Given the expenses of participating in the camp, I really would be interested in your cost-benefit analysis and I look forward to seeing that after the camp.
Whoa Boy, what a lot of misinformation. Can't let this just die.
Anyone who knows anything about the Coke n Ice team, which was a merger of two of Ohio's then top fastpitch teams (a Coke team and an Ohio Ice team) and which included Courtney Pruner among many other excellent players, would never ever believe that team played any "B" event, no matter what the sanctioning body. That team did indeed place 2nd at ASA/USA Nationals and I would be surprised if they played any tournaments that year that weren't ASA sanctioned. I know that my DD's team played them at an ASA tourney that summer.
If you think that the young ladies on that Coke n Ice team or the young ladies on the Elyria Sundogs team (who also placed 2nd at ASA/USA Nationals) didn't have their recruiting process affected by their performances in ASA tournaments at both the national and local levels, then we will have to agree to disagree.
As to your words "I'll stick by my statement that 99% of teams/players could play strickly [sic] ASA/NSA/USSSA and never make much difference and the best way to get recruited is to attend a college camp," we will REALLY have to agree to disagree about that. I have no clue what you are relying on for these two statements.
For myself, with respect to the tournament sanction issue, I rely upon personal knowledge that most if not all of the Ohio players who have been identified on OFC as signing with colleges have played on teams that play a predominantly ASA schedule. In the future, I wouldn't be surprised if the schedules are either ASA or Premier ones. But if anyone out there knows of an Ohio player who got a Division 1 or 2 scholly while only playing on a team whose schedule was "strickly" NSA or Utrip, let me know by posting on this thread, as I am always willing to have my opinions be changed by facts.
As for recruiting clinics being the best way to get recruited, I really think that you are off base in your assumption that clinics without a strong travel ball schedule will be enough. Yes, a player should go to a college's clinic if the player is interested in attending that college. But do you actually believe that just showing up at, let's say, the Ohio State University clinic is going to get every one of the attendees some recruiting interest from OSU? And do you really believe that a player from a team playing an exclusively NSA or Utrip schedule is going to get the same amount of "coaches' eye time" at the clinic as those players that have informed the coaching staff about their results at well-respected ASA tournaments? Again, if you believe those things, we will agree to disagree. For me, the issue is how to grab the coaches' attention from among all the players who attend a particular college's coaching clinic and I'm pretty darn sure that playing exclusively NSA or Utrip isn't going to be much of a grabber.
Again, please understand that I'm NOT saying a player should skip a college clinic if she is interested in that college. As JoeA has pointed out, he does most of his recruiting out of the players who care enough to show up at Whitworth's clinics. But I'm pretty sure he would tell you that the strength of each player's travel ball experience plays a pretty big factor in who gets the most coaches' eye time and the most follow-up from among those players.
OK, then there is your statement that "In fact, our top 18u Magic team has something like 6 D-1 and 6 D-2 and coach Day did the leg work on those commitments, I'll ask him, but I don't think one got offered from any prestigous [sic] tournaments he's played in." I've heard good things about Coach Day and I'd be really interested in hearing from him if he believes that he did or could achieve those same results playing an exclusively NSA or Utrip schedule. If he says he does believe that, then I'd have to ask precisely which D-1 or D-2 programs we are talking about. What I believe is that a college coach, before offering any scholarship money, will want to see a player actually compete in at least one tournament where there are high quality teams and that in Ohio those tournaments are usually ASA tournaments or all sanctions tournaments following, for the most part, ASA rules.
Finally, regarding the $5,000 per team that will be paid in terms of equipment/uniforms to those attending the adidas camp in Utah, if we assume 12 players per team, that would equal $416 in perks. And those uniforms won't be real useful after the Utah camp is completed. Given the expenses of participating in the camp, I really would be interested in your cost-benefit analysis and I look forward to seeing that after the camp.
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SoCalDad- ... Those College football sanctions on USC getting ya down?
Not hardly... All the fans that jumped on the SC bandwagon were obnoxious and getting on my nerves. I respected the job Carroll did in reviving the program, but lost it when it became clear the program was out of control.
We'll just have to wait and see how long they're down. USC's recruiting class is ranked 4-5th best in the nation. Only time will tell whether Kiffin & Co know what to do with all that talent.
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I apologize - I didn't mean to knock any of the teams that play in the Sparkler. It is a huge tournament with a wide range of teams and some of them are very good. The list of Sparkler teams for 2010 looked much improved from previous years.
The Jets are a strong organization. I believe a lot of those girls were from the team that won 14U SoCal State in 2008. Their 18-Gold team finished 2nd at Fireworks to Worth Firecrackers (FC should be at Boulder, but their sponsorship forces them to play Fireworks instead).
When you say finals, does that include semi-finals? That's what the brackets on the TCS website show - http://www.triplecrownsports.com/showbracketgennopool.asp?tournyid=3576&divisionid=483
TCS promotes Sparkler as a "College Placement" event, just like they do with Fireworks. The vast majority of teams that go there are very disappointed in the lack of college coaches around.
The top teams go to Colorado for both the exposure and the competition to prepare for nationals. The pecking order was clearly Boulder, Fireworks and then Sparkler. The distinction between Fireworks and Sparkler may be blurring now due to Triple Crown running both of them.
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Sure might have been semis, I know we finished 3rd or something we were there 11 days and played 2 tournaments.
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LOL...Takes about an hour. Dont forget about that background check. :lmao:
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Ok, my coaches did their background checks a month ago. I finished ACE level 3 about three weeks ago. This week I got two separate mailings with my Level 3 cards. (In typical ASA fashion, I now have four cards!) Not complaining, better too many than not enough. However, none of my assistants have gotten background check cards yet. Has anyone else started getting theirs?
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sell those extra card on ebay!
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