Bashing other organizations

[s1s2m3m4]

I thought we (parents and coaches) were here to support our athletes, to teach and model sportsmanship and class.
To see this site used as a way to bluntly and subliminally call out other organizations is quite juvenile and disappointing.
I hope these girls don't have to read some of this BS, otherwise they'll learn it's ok to be a bad sport. Just sayin....

You have to find the right fit for your athlete and your family. Sometimes girls leave on bad terms...then it's just not the right fit for them. That's all.

 

[3ballbratz]

Amen ! Spread the good vibes ! Enjoy this stage in our children's lives while It lasts. Be competitive but be respectful.

 

[FastBat]

Agree with 3ballbratz...as parents we should stay positive for the kids. Will all parents be positive? No. But, I believe the majority of parents/coaches have good intentions and are supportive.

As the players age, they will start to figure out which parents/coaches are "bad sports" and will most likely not want to be around those parents/coaches. It's all about finding the right fit for your kid.

 

[BulldawgsDirector]

Bashing anybody or any group doesn't expose them, it exposes you.

 

[Linedrive21]

Bashing anybody or any group doesn't expose them, it exposes you.

Well said .....

 

[travelinmom]

As the players age, they will start to figure out which parents/coaches are "bad sports" and will most likely not want to be around those parents/coaches. It's all about finding the right fit for your kid.

So true! The coach's speech following our last 18U game this summer included an enthusiastic comment about getting 0 texts, calls, emails from parents complaining about positions, playing time, or strategy choices. Girls got along and parents cheered for everyone! We didn't win much the season but it was a good time.

 

[wvanalmsick]

Once you get to 16U, everyone settles down and plays well with each other.

 

[HITTER23]

Once you get to 16U, everyone settles down and plays well with each other.

 

[wvanalmsick]

Well, that was my experience. I'm sure there are some people with hurt feelings or sour grapes from dealing with teams, parents, or players. "Why can't we all just get along?"

 

[PLAYBALL]

So true! The coach's speech following our last 18U game this summer included an enthusiastic comment about getting 0 texts, calls, emails from parents complaining about positions, playing time, or strategy choices. Girls got along and parents cheered for everyone! We didn't win much the season but it was a good time.

Well said....

 

[wow]

Once you get to 16U, everyone settles down and plays well with each other.

I think what this post meant, i am sure I will be corrected if I am off here, but the amount of drama slows waaaaay down and the girls police themselves. By 16U and assuming you are on a team of hard working kids, they will typically know their assignments, have worked hard, and don't allow the bad apple ( or group ) on the team to begin with. The days of blindly picking up kids is over. Everyone has a history and resume.

Parents, usually, have kids who drive at 16U. Kids who drive themselves to practice don't have parents chirping at practice, at the coaches, etc.. Game time is about knowing your ride is almost up, so don't waste it with nonsense. Plus let me know how it works out, at 16u when you embarrass your kid by being the most obnoxious parent in the stands..

So yes parents calm down and kids are at the age where they are going at it solo.

I agree.. 16u things tend to settle. If it does not/has not you are not on the right team.

 

[wow]

I thought we (parents and coaches) were here to support our athletes, to teach and model sportsmanship and class.
To see this site used as a way to bluntly and subliminally call out other organizations is quite juvenile and disappointing.
I hope these girls don't have to read some of this BS, otherwise they'll learn it's ok to be a bad sport. Just sayin....

You have to find the right fit for your athlete and your family. Sometimes girls leave on bad terms...then it's just not the right fit for them. That's all.

Thinking about this post a few things come to my mind..

What is the ultimate goal of the forum? To be a place to share experiences. Sometimes these are good and sometimes not. As long as there is not direct name calling, using a kids name, or outright slander the information should be for the reader to interrupt. Again I am not a advocate of being negative to trash talk a team, coach, or organization. I just think a huge part of this forum is to share. If its done so in a manner which goes against the rules of the forum, then the moderators should do their job and put said person in the penalty box.

We need to be careful with all this political correctness. Stay to the facts and leave out the personal attacks. The problem occurs when someones perception of the thread internalizes and it now its personal.

This forum is for entertainment, thats all. Take what you want and leave the rest.

 

[The Liberal Lion]

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I think what this post meant, i am sure I will be corrected if I am off here, but the amount of drama slows waaaaay down and the girls police themselves. By 16U and assuming you are on a team of hard working kids, they will typically know their assignments, have worked hard, and don't allow the bad apple ( or group ) on the team to begin with. The days of blindly picking up kids is over. Everyone has a history and resume.

Parents, usually, have kids who drive at 16U. Kids who drive themselves to practice don't have parents chirping at practice, at the coaches, etc.. Game time is about knowing your ride is almost up, so don't waste it with nonsense. Plus let me know how it works out, at 16u when you embarrass your kid by being the most obnoxious parent in the stands..

So yes parents calm down and kids are at the age where they are going at it solo.

I agree.. 16u things tend to settle. If it does not/has not you are not on the right team.

" The days of blindly picking up kids is over. Everyone has a history and resume. " Very well said wow, as the fastpitch community is actually very small and the news travels quickly, from coach to coach and their respective organizations, as to which parents are truly team players and which are not, which ones are malcontents and worse.

Regardless of talent there are definitely coaches and organizations that will take a player of slightly lesser skill over another with greater or even the same simply based on the parents, and the documented history of same as their antics are made known either in season or the short time frame before the resumption of tryouts, and during tryout season as coaches network among themselves.

Sadly for the daughter, she winds up toiling away for a decidedly lesser well known organization even though her talent level possibly dictates otherwise, she winds up playing for a less knowledgeable coach/staff, one that practices over the winter in a downgraded facility, playing in lower caliber tournaments and suddenly that " talent " that was so full of promise is not flourishing but instead regressing, and the parents, who have no one to blame but themselves, usually continue in a self denial mode and take to bashing their previous organization or coach in an attempt to rationalize why they are where they are. Or they now take to bashing the new organization and coach, continuing a vicious cycle.

While we were fortunate enough to avoid drama this season, we had a great group, I do know of a few organizations down here that were not as blessed ( an example of the small fastpitch community! ) and those " bad apples " were not going to be welcomed back for a return performance.

 

[PLAYBALL]

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" The days of blindly picking up kids is over. Everyone has a history and resume. " Very well said wow, as the fastpitch community is actually very small and the news travels quickly, from coach to coach and their respective organizations, as to which parents are truly team players and which are not, which ones are malcontents and worse.

Regardless of talent there are definitely coaches and organizations that will take a player of slightly lesser skill over another with greater or even the same simply based on the parents, and the documented history of same as their antics are made known either in season or the short time frame before the resumption of tryouts, and during tryout season as coaches network among themselves.

Sadly for the daughter, she winds up toiling away for a decidedly lesser well known organization even though her talent level possibly dictates otherwise, she winds up playing for a less knowledgeable coach/staff, one that practices over the winter in a downgraded facility, playing in lower caliber tournaments and suddenly that " talent " that was so full of promise is not flourishing but instead regressing, and the parents, who have no one to blame but themselves, usually continue in a self denial mode and take to bashing their previous organization or coach in an attempt to rationalize why they are where they are. Or they now take to bashing the new organization and coach, continuing a vicious cycle.

While we were fortunate enough to avoid drama this season, we had a great group, I do know of a few organizations down here that were not as blessed ( an example of the small fastpitch community! ) and those " bad apples " were not going to be welcomed back for a return performance.

With all the information I have received recently coupled with your previous posts concerning "classless behavior" and some private messages from you. I was just wondering, how is the weather way down in Aurora? Stay classy bud. Keep hitting linedrive(s) if you know what I mean.

 

[FastBat]

" The days of blindly picking up kids is over. Everyone has a history and resume. " Very well said wow, as the fastpitch community is actually very small and the news travels quickly, from coach to coach and their respective organizations, as to which parents are truly team players and which are not, which ones are malcontents and worse.

Regardless of talent there are definitely coaches and organizations that will take a player of slightly lesser skill over another with greater or even the same simply based on the parents, and the documented history of same as their antics are made known either in season or the short time frame before the resumption of tryouts, and during tryout season as coaches network among themselves.

Sadly for the daughter, she winds up toiling away for a decidedly lesser well known organization even though her talent level possibly dictates otherwise, she winds up playing for a less knowledgeable coach/staff, one that practices over the winter in a downgraded facility, playing in lower caliber tournaments and suddenly that " talent " that was so full of promise is not flourishing but instead regressing, and the parents, who have no one to blame but themselves, usually continue in a self denial mode and take to bashing their previous organization or coach in an attempt to rationalize why they are where they are. Or they now take to bashing the new organization and coach, continuing a vicious cycle.

While we were fortunate enough to avoid drama this season, we had a great group, I do know of a few organizations down here that were not as blessed ( an example of the small fastpitch community! ) and those " bad apples " were not going to be welcomed back for a return performance.

I think the "small community" stuff is getting played out here, a little too thick, almost to the point of being silly. It's just softball. Sorry, I have been involved with this sport for 30 plus years but, let's not take ourselves too seriously. In the end, it's just a fun sport for children, friend...this post is almost frightening.

 

[Pacerdad57]

The talent level playing for a.lesser organization does not always have to do with malcontent parents.
some "elite" team costs are WAY more.than an average working stiff can come up with, regardless.of how talented their DD is.
i think fast bat is on the right track. It is after all a game for young ladies, if you are relying on this game to get your child into and through college.....it's a very short sided tack to be taking. A well rounded young adult is the end product we all hope for, and there is much more to life than sports.in the end.

 

[FastBat]

Thanks Pacer! I agree with the cost aspect.

Another aspect to consider, is dedication, or perceived lack of dedication. Sometimes the more costly teams, want player's at practice twice a week, a good distance from home, even in the wintertime. If they don't physically make it to every practice, then the poor player could be labeled, "not dedicated" even if they practice everyday at home. But, if the player is involved in multi-sports, that's tough to get them to practice sometimes. Or if a family has several children, involved in multi-sports, which child will be short changed? Most parent's are trying their best to cart children around, but it's tough. Sometimes the "lesser teams" (only using that term tongue in cheek, don't agree with it), have more understanding about athlete's playing multi-sports or having multiple children that play multi-sports and transportation is an issue.

It's kind of sad, there are adults in the softball community, that don't understand not every child/family's goal is to play at the perceived "elite" level. Especially at 14u level and younger, considering cost and time aspects. I can also see not wanting to play so much at 16u and 18u level as well, for same reasons, cost and time aspects. IMHO just playing softball, at any level, is a good thing!

 

[Pacerdad57]

Very well put fastbat. And I agree, not using "lesser" as a derogatory term here...just the way some perceive it to be.
just get out and play!

 

[PLAYBALL]

Where did all the posts from linedrive21 and liberal lion go? Looks like MZ may have deleted them in an attempt to cover his butt from the organization.