Batters Box?

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I was wondering if any other teams have noticed the lack of a chalked batters box? Every tournament that my dd has had this year has had no batters box. All of the tournaments have been qualifiers not any rec style. So I have been very surprised by this. I have seen alot of bad calls due to not having the batters box. Umpires calling girls out for being out of the box or scooting a batter back because she is out of the box. Huh? How can they really judge this with no box? I have seen slappers take 2 steps, hit the ball and be called out. Even my eyes can tell there is no way she is out of this invisable box. Why won't TD's take the extra time and chalk a box? Are there not already enough questionable calls? A little fustrating to say the least.
 
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Even with boxes, it has been poor at best.
Layed out wrong, extremely crooked, not even the same size left to right.
Wrong positions.
 
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At a tournament this past weekend I saw 2 different umps use the bat of the girl in the batters box to measure the top of the box and then wipe out the chalk line that was (barely) there, draw a line with the bat in the dirt and tell the batter not to go past that line. ;D Can't say I have ever seen that before and I saw it twice in one tournament.
 
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We have covered this before and I am asking Bretman to cover it again as he knows the dimensions and why some of these people are either lazy or just do not understand the basics of WHY they do not lay out a proper field when it comes to a batters box.....talk about the 24 inch pitchers zone, leaving early....anything else?

Maybe we are too entranced with polls, chanting, rain, face mask, parking lot fees, snacks or you fill in the blanks however in my opinion it starts in the batters box or if you are too lazy too put one on the field or do not understand how to do it and cheat the kids who are good slappers and are the coach trying to say they were out of the batters box and whoops did not see there was not one before the game began and when you were going over ground rules!
 
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Even with no batter's box chalked out, all of the rules pertaining to the batter's box still apply. But, with no lines to go by, the umpire should give every benefit of the doubt to the batter. This isn't a call that an umpire should be itching to make. It should only be called for gross, blatant or obvious violations.

The softball batter's box extends 48" forward from the center of the plate, or 39.5" from the front edge of the plate. Batters have a lot of room to move around and work with! If you try to lay that out with a bat, well, good luck finding a 39.5" long bat. You inevitably will be chopping at least 6 inches off the front of the box- enough that your line scratched in the dirt could make a perfectly legal batter "illegal".

Laying out lines on the field is the responsibility of the grounds crew, not the umpire. If you don't have the tools to lay it out the right way, you can be creating more problems than you're solving. Scratching lines in the dirt is not something that is recommended in any umpire guidelines or training and is a poor practice.

If there is a box laid out, but it is not the right dimensions, the umpire should wipe out the misdrawn lines and either have them corrected or, if that's not practical, use his best judgment as to where the actual lines should be.

Even without lines, it is pretty easy to see when a batter sets up too close to the side of the plate. The box is 6 inches away from the side of the plate, and if you see a hitter set up with her toes almost touching the plate, she is obviously out of the box. That is about the only time I will ever ask a hitter to move back off the plate- when it is blatantly obvious.

The box is 7 feet long, front to back. A slapper has a lot of real estate to cover before she is out of the box.

Calling a batter out for being out of the box should be a very rare call. The plate umpire has about a half-dozen other priorities and being out of the box is low on the list. The ball or strike call in relation to the strike zone is the top priority. He is also watching for illegal pitches, the batter contacting the pitch, the pitch possibly contacting the batter, a "swing/no swing" call on a checked swing, possible interference by the batter or catcher obstruction.

Even with the lines correctly drawn this is a low priority call that needs to be blatantly obvious to call it!
 
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A very knowledgeable and wise hitting instructor once told me that if you know your hitting zone in relation to the plate, all else is irrelevant. Or something like that...

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My dd is a slapper. She was never called out of the box and I didn't see this called all year. We did play on some 6 feet little league boxes and I have to agree batter's box was sometimes a question mark. Good umpires rarely call this, because it is a judgement call as Bretman stated. Last year we had a poor umpire at Tiger Town that called in twice in one game, and you could still see the foot mark on the white line. He , like some parents didn't understand it is the whole foot outside the white line. There is an umpire in the Dayton area. That calls this, because he stated he didn't like slapping..
 
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SB, I'm glad my DD wasn't the only slapper to face "slapper prejudice" by some yokel who probably abvocates baseball swings and girls to play in skirts.....i'm reading an article about the next 25 things in america to go extinct (personal checks, outhouses, landlines, etc) and I'm going to email AOL to add batter's boxes to that list.....if our coach can make one with household wood or pvc pipe, it doesn;t take an einstein to have a box ready for each game....pretty soon they'll avoid the foul line altogether ;)
 
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It is a cosmetic question. But is it that big of a deal? It doesnt affect how a batter hits.
 
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Raider, that's where you are wrong. If you have a slapper that takes advantage of no box, nor the worry about having the "entire" foot out of the box and on the ground "at contact" she has a distinct advantage on the bang/ bang play at first. No, box she takes advantage and safe. With a box, might not be on the good side of the call....

An advantage to the batter versus cosmetic only...
 
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Bretman - really appreciate the insight. I see the reference to 6" from the plate - is it 3 ft. wide? Making it 3'x7'? Thanks for all the help you lend on here - it is appreciated!!
 
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Yep, 3 feet wide X 7 feet long for softball.

If you ever see one marked out at 6 feet X 4 feet, that means the ground crew used a baseball template to chalk the box! I have also seen them laid out backwards- 3 feet forward and 4 feet back (from center of plate) instead of the other way around.
 
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If only Bretman could ump every game and it would never rain and my dd was never the last out. It would be a perfect season. ;D
Thanks for the in-put all..
 
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