Fairborn assistant softball coach violated rules but nothing happened

[softballrox]

Can someone please explain to me how the assistant varsity softball coach was allowed to coach his high school team over the winter? I know about the 4 player rule but he coached his whole team during indoor tournaments.

In addition, he took his HIGH SCHOOL team to play in an indoor tournament on February 19th - which was AFTER the last day they could play indoor but he registered them under the name of Ohio Edge. He claimed to be a volunteer coach but it doesn't matter. A coach is a coach whether he or she is paid or not.

This put his team at an advantage over the other schools in the GWOC.

If OHSAA doesn't do anything then this sets a precedent for other schools to violate the rules because nothing will be done about it.

 

[softballrox]

and if he claims "ignorance" then he's a liar. He's been around long enough to know the rules. He's been coaching for a number of years. I'm wondering if the parents/players even realize that what he did could have put them all at risk of forfeiting their season? And the head coach should not have allowed it to happen either so IMO, she's just as guilty.

 

[Tolle]

I believe February 20th was the cutoff day.

 

[Stedman00]

believe HS coaching was allowed to start 20 Feb 2017. If this varsity assistant coach was coaching players from the high school program on 19 Feb, I believe that would be a violation.


here's a link to OSHAA regs. http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/rglts/SB.pdf

 

[wvanalmsick]

Can someone please explain to me how the assistant varsity softball coach was allowed to coach his high school team over the winter? I know about the 4 player rule but he coached his whole team during indoor tournaments.

In addition, he took his HIGH SCHOOL team to play in an indoor tournament on February 19th - which was AFTER the last day they could play indoor but he registered them under the name of Ohio Edge. He claimed to be a volunteer coach but it doesn't matter. A coach is a coach whether he or she is paid or not.

This put his team at an advantage over the other schools in the GWOC.

If OHSAA doesn't do anything then this sets a precedent for other schools to violate the rules because nothing will be done about it.

Have you contacted anyone at Fairborn? Have you contacted OHSAA? If you truly believe that something illegal happened, then contact OHSAA. Don't just throw it out there and make the statement "If OHSAA doesn't do anything then this sets a precedent for other schools to violate the rules because nothing will be done about it." if you haven't contacted anyone and made a report. OHSAA has to know that something happened in order to take action. They are not omnipresent.

 

[softballrox]

OHSAA has been contacted. He's still coaching. I was at the indoor tournament and I heard him announce that he's the assistant coach

 

[okiedad1961]

Can someone please explain to me how the assistant varsity softball coach was allowed to coach his high school team over the winter? I know about the 4 player rule but he coached his whole team during indoor tournaments.

In addition, he took his HIGH SCHOOL team to play in an indoor tournament on February 19th - which was AFTER the last day they could play indoor but he registered them under the name of Ohio Edge. He claimed to be a volunteer coach but it doesn't matter. A coach is a coach whether he or she is paid or not.

This put his team at an advantage over the other schools in the GWOC.

If OHSAA doesn't do anything then this sets a precedent for other schools to violate the rules because nothing will be done about it.

Forget about it in the GWOC Rumour has it Greenvilles running the table into the State championship lol

 

[wvanalmsick]

OHSAA has been contacted. He's still coaching. I was at the indoor tournament and I heard him announce that he's the assistant coach

I am not an OHSAA official but back when DD was in HS, I communicated a lot with the officials at OHSAA, mostly to ensure that we were staying out of trouble. It seemed like I had Dr. Price's number on Speed dial. The officials that you talk to are not the Directors. The Directors have the final say for infractions. For infractions like you described (Coach infractions), here are some of the punishments dealt out:

XXXXXX High School’s freshman volleyball coach violated General Sports Regulation 35.3, Grades 7 & 8, when she conducted a practice with XXXXXXXs junior varsity and 8th grade volleyball teams. In accordance with Bylaw 11, Penalties, the Commissioner’s Office has agreed with the school’s self-imposed penalties and also restricted the coaching staff (paid and volunteer) to eight days of permissible instruction during the period of June 1-July 31, 2017

0. XXXXX High School’s head football coach violated Bylaw 4-9-4 and Bylaw 4-9-3, Recruiting, when he sent electronic communication directly to the parents of students who do not attend XXXXXX’s middle school and invited them to a pizza party in the cafeteria prior to a varsity football game. The students also joined the varsity team in a “walk to the field for warmups,” a visit to the locker room for pre-game activities with the varsity team, and a walk with the team on the field for the game. In accordance with Bylaw 11, Penalties, the Commissioner's Office has issued a fine of $1,500, and denied the head coach the opportunity to coach in the first two playoff contests of the 2017 OHSAA football tournament, should XXXXX High School qualify

XXXXXX High School’s head volleyball coach violated General Sports Regulation 7.5.1, Non-Interscholastic Participation – Coaching players out of season, when she coached a member of XXXXX's volleyball squad in a non-interscholastic program on two different occasions. In accordance with Bylaw 11, Penalties, the Commissioner’s Office originally suspended the coach for the first four regular-season varsity volleyball contests of the 2016 season. However, based on additional information presented, specifically that the coach was only involved in impermissible coaching activities on just one date, as opposed to two, the Commissioner's Office suspended the coach for the first two regular season varsity volleyball contests of the 2016 season.

XXXXXX High School’s volleyball staff violated Volleyball Sports Regulation 17 B (1), Beginning Tryouts before “Coaching, Tryouts and Instruction May Begin,” when they began tryouts on July 28 and 29. In accordance with Bylaw 11, Penalties, the Commissioner's Office extended the no-contact period from 28 days to 35 days after the last day of the regular season and restricted the coaching staff (paid and volunteer) to five days of permissible instruction during the period of June 1-July

The point I'm trying to make is that it seems that the punishment doesn't fit the infraction. These things do take a little time to investigate and then get before a Board of Director's Meeting. You can view the Board of Director Meeting Minutes at: http://ohsaa.org/BODmtg It is in these minutes that you will usually hear about infractions and punishments.

 

[daboss]

Somebody help me out here but at one time indoor softball was not recognized by the OHSAA so virtually impossible to be breaking a rule during that time frame. I know the rules have changed since my daughter played but I'm hoping a good source will jump on board and give us the 411.

 

[#4mom]

He was allowed to because he was not accepted by the board yet as a coach. Loop hole

 

[bleacherbum]

He was allowed to because he was not accepted by the board yet as a coach. Loop hole

LOL, this coach must be a genius to think of such a loophole.
I can't believe that every other coach in every HS sport does not finish their contract on the last day of their season - then just not sign new contract until the day before practice officially starts.
Way to show support for your coach, but come on now.

 

[Skeeter]

From what I heard he was not a board certified coach last season and just recently became a certified coach this year for the high school team.

 

[Practice?]

LOL, this coach must be a genius to think of such a loophole.
I can't believe that every other coach in every HS sport does not finish their contract on the last day of their season - then just not sign new contract until the day before practice officially starts.
Way to show support for your coach, but come on now.

Coaching contracts are generally for one year. The School Board approves the Coaches on a yearly basis. Because he had been approved by the Board in 2017 wouldn't matter in this situation if he was on the staff during the 2016 season.

 

[Ferrigno20]

Coaching contracts are generally for one year. The School Board approves the Coaches on a yearly basis. Because he had been approved by the Board in 2017 wouldn't matter in this situation if he was on the staff during the 2016 season.

was not on staff last year

 

[hammerhead20]

I don't know how it is in Ohio, but in Michigan they use the school calendar year. If a person works with the kids in the off season, then gets hired a week before the season, all rules apply, not from the hire date, but from the beginning of the school year. For example, you could not have a club coach work with the girls year round, hire them a day before tryouts and then not have the off season rules apply because they weren't "under contract" at the time. Again, Ohio may be different, but in Michigan that would be a huge issue.

 

[cobb_of_fury]

I don't know how it is in Ohio, but in Michigan they use the school calendar year. If a person works with the kids in the off season, then gets hired a week before the season, all rules apply, not from the hire date, but from the beginning of the school year. For example, you could not have a club coach work with the girls year round, hire them a day before tryouts and then not have the off season rules apply because they weren't "under contract" at the time. Again, Ohio may be different, but in Michigan that would be a huge issue.

Don't these rules make it really hard to hire decent coaches for school ball?

 

[Heavy Hitter]

Can someone please explain to me how the assistant varsity softball coach was allowed to coach his high school team over the winter? I know about the 4 player rule but he coached his whole team during indoor tournaments.

In addition, he took his HIGH SCHOOL team to play in an indoor tournament on February 19th - which was AFTER the last day they could play indoor but he registered them under the name of Ohio Edge. He claimed to be a volunteer coach but it doesn't matter. A coach is a coach whether he or she is paid or not.

This put his team at an advantage over the other schools in the GWOC.

If OHSAA doesn't do anything then this sets a precedent for other schools to violate the rules because nothing will be done about it.

Was he on the staff as a paid or volunteer assistant last year? Was he coaching girls that played on the Varsity, JV or freshman team last year? It does make a difference depending on the answers.