Last night my DD team was losing by 9 in the 6th with bases loaded. The batter is walked but never walks down and touches 1st base, instead she walks back to the dugout. Is she out and the run doesn't count or game over? I'm assuming there are lots of scenarios that can determine the answer and I was keeping book and was writing and not watching thinking the game was over so I'm not sure what transpired while I was writing. So was the game over as soon as the girl on third touched home? My daughter was playing third and she said the catcher threw it third and the girl on third dove back and the girl that was batting walked to the dugout before the girl on third crossed home, again didn't see it so I'm not sure. Did the girl that got walked have to step off the field before being out? The coach had the team throw the ball to first which didn't make any sense to me since she was walked but she had them do it anyway, does that make a difference? Sorry for so many questions in one post but it was, to me, a very confusing situation.
Game ends on walk but wait, did it?
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I'd agree and say batter out as she made no attempt to gain the base and gave it up when she walked purposeful away from said base and forfeited the out....
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Id agree - Shes out for leaving the playing field - I don't think the base is a given - I think you have to actually advance to it - Like a home run.
I had a situation sort of similer - Girl batting - dropped third strike - catcher throws the ball into right field on an overthrow but she didn't realize and turned and went into the dugout area - she was called out at that point for leaving the field of play.
How many outs were there at the time? If there were less than two - I'd think the run scores but the girl is out (though at that point it wouldn't matter since the winninng run scored.)
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Agreed, you can call it "abandonment" or "giving up the base" but batters/runners have to acquire (touch) all bases to complete the play and force the runner home. Can make a play at third or first on the runners but walking directly to the dugout should be an out, no run scores and game over....IMO.
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That reminds me of a bases loaded single to end a game. Runner from 1st walked toward 2nd but never touched the base allowing a force out at 2nd and no runner scoring due to the force....which I called and the visiting team came in to score some runs and win the game. Gotta acquire/touch those bases.......waiting for Bret Man to comment because HS may be very different.
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Out if she entered the dugout or team/dead ball area. Rule 8-2-4 – The batter-runner is out when the batter-runner fails to advance to first base and enters the team area after a batted fair ball, a base on balls, ….
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These game-ending plays can get messy and confusing! Not only that, but different governing bodies have issued rulings that don't match the others. Even in Major League Baseball this causes confusion. They just clarified their rule this year and their ruling is that only the batter needs to touch first and the runner from third touch home to end the game.
In softball, to be considered as "abandoning the bases" a runner must actually leave the field (ie: leave live ball area by entering the dugout or a dead ball area).
If the batter-runner left the field with two outs, then no run would score, because the batter-runner did not safely reach first base.
If there were less than two outs, then the batter-runner would still be out, but the run would score.
Not clear is what to do if the batter-runner just starts walking around the field without going into the dugout. I might have to dig around to see if they even address that.
In softball, to be considered as "abandoning the bases" a runner must actually leave the field (ie: leave live ball area by entering the dugout or a dead ball area).
If the batter-runner left the field with two outs, then no run would score, because the batter-runner did not safely reach first base.
If there were less than two outs, then the batter-runner would still be out, but the run would score.
Not clear is what to do if the batter-runner just starts walking around the field without going into the dugout. I might have to dig around to see if they even address that.
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Yes there was two outs when this happened. I don't believe the batter runner entered the dugout until after the hand shake. I believe once ball four was called the two teams lined up to shake hands. The coach did question the call before the hand shake and the umpires did call the batter-runner out and that the game would continue and then the other coach questioned it and said the runner from third scored first and they changed their call again and ended the game. It's not like it really matters that much because it was a run rule game but I'm curious because what if it would have been a tie game and the bottom of the 7th. Doubt it would happen but it could.
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It dosent matter if the runner from third scored before the out - it's the third out the run dosent count. - I agree if you were down by 9 it didn't really matter anyway and they just wanted to end the game.
But it should have been three outs play on.
I NEVER want to see a girl not go down to 1st Base NO MATTER WHAT the circumstance is - Thats the worse part to me....
But it should have been three outs play on.
I NEVER want to see a girl not go down to 1st Base NO MATTER WHAT the circumstance is - Thats the worse part to me....
Fury, I completely agree with you there. When my DD was younger and I coached her, my rule was you ran to first even if you lined out to the pitcher. Actually had an umpire tell me that a girl didn't have to run to first because she was out. I told him she did if she wanted to play for me.
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Papelbon may have over explained that to Harper.
Definitely nothing wrong with safely seeing the play to its end.
Definitely nothing wrong with safely seeing the play to its end.
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Following up on my last post...
Game-ending plays can get...interesting! When the game suddenly ends, sometimes it throws the rules about base runners completing their base running out the window. There were a couple of big blow ups last year in Major League Baseball involving game-ending plays, so much so that they modified their rules covering this situation.
When there is a conflict or loophole in the rules, sanctioning bodies will often issue an interpretation and publish in their case book. And it's often the case that different sanctioning bodies will interpret the exact same rule differently!
For instance...
For high school rules (NFHS) their interpretation is that this becomes an appeal play. If the batter-runner not advancing to and touching first base is properly appealed by the defense, then the B/R would be out. If there were two outs, no runs would score.
The ASA interpretation is different. In their case book they have a similar sample play with a different outcome. There, it says that the run counts and the game is over as soon as the runner touches home, no matter if the B/R touches first base or not. B/R would still be out if she entered the dugout.
I'd bet that other sanctioning bodies may even have their own unique interpretations to cover this exact same play.
Game-ending plays can get...interesting! When the game suddenly ends, sometimes it throws the rules about base runners completing their base running out the window. There were a couple of big blow ups last year in Major League Baseball involving game-ending plays, so much so that they modified their rules covering this situation.
When there is a conflict or loophole in the rules, sanctioning bodies will often issue an interpretation and publish in their case book. And it's often the case that different sanctioning bodies will interpret the exact same rule differently!
For instance...
For high school rules (NFHS) their interpretation is that this becomes an appeal play. If the batter-runner not advancing to and touching first base is properly appealed by the defense, then the B/R would be out. If there were two outs, no runs would score.
The ASA interpretation is different. In their case book they have a similar sample play with a different outcome. There, it says that the run counts and the game is over as soon as the runner touches home, no matter if the B/R touches first base or not. B/R would still be out if she entered the dugout.
I'd bet that other sanctioning bodies may even have their own unique interpretations to cover this exact same play.
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