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Sorry - too lazy to look this up... What is the ruling on colors? Ump yesterday stated pitcher's glove was illegal because it was brown and white... is this true?
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ART. 1 . . .
Gloves/mitts shall:
a. Be a maximum of two colors excluding
lacing and manufacturer’s logo
colors. Lacing shall not be the color of
the ball.
b. Not be entirely gray, white or optic in
color.
c. Not have a gray, white or optic colored
marking on the outside or inside that
gives the appearance of the ball.
d. Be permitted to have one American
flag not to exceed 2 inches by 3 inches.
a. Be a maximum of two colors excluding
lacing and manufacturer’s logo
colors. Lacing shall not be the color of
the ball.
b. Not be entirely gray, white or optic in
color.
c. Not have a gray, white or optic colored
marking on the outside or inside that
gives the appearance of the ball.
d. Be permitted to have one American
flag not to exceed 2 inches by 3 inches.
e. Not be judged as distracting by the umpire.
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White on the pitcher's glove is a no-no. Also, I believe that anything resembling the color of the ball is forbidden - essentially anything deemed high contrast color-wise that may be judged distracting to the batter.
DD wanted a red glove for college, but found out it was illegal. I know kids want a cool looking glove, but why risk getting a glove disqualified? My suggestion is if your DD wants to pitch, stay with a standard natural leather color and don't risk the penalty.
DD wanted a red glove for college, but found out it was illegal. I know kids want a cool looking glove, but why risk getting a glove disqualified? My suggestion is if your DD wants to pitch, stay with a standard natural leather color and don't risk the penalty.
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how long could white stay white ? seems silly to make gear that inheritly gets dirty to be white.
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And I'm too lazy to type all this out again...so I'll cut and paste it from another post!
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The current high school rule says that a legal glove:
- Shall be a mximum of two colors, excluding the lacing and manufacturer's logo.
- May not have lacing the same color as the ball.
- May not be entirely gray, white or optic in color.
- May not have a gray, white or optic colored marking on the glove that gives the appearance of the ball.
- Must not be judged distracting by the umpire.
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I've seen a lot of umpires take the fourth item and "over-officiate" it. Instead of prohibiting a glove because the white portion "looks like a ball", they just flat out ban it because it contains any white.
Strangely, the high school rule is written to cover a game using either a white or optic yellow ball. If we're using an optic ball, I wouldn't be inclined to prohibit a glove because of a white marking.
The last item is kind of a catch-all that hinges on the umpire judging the glove as "distratcting". That's a wide-open determination and what one umpire sees as distracting, another might not. Still, if the glove doesn't violate any of the other glove rules, I would have a hard time calling it distracting. It is a judgment call- but that doesn't necessarily mean that the umpire will use good judgment!
Just going by your description, and without seeing the glove, I don't think that I'd have a problem with (nor would the majority of other umpires).
One final thought: Do you happen to know if you are in an area where the umpires are assigned from a pool that does both baseball and softball? The high school baseball rules do prohibit ANY white on a glove and I've seen guys that work both sports get that mixed up.
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The current high school rule says that a legal glove:
- Shall be a mximum of two colors, excluding the lacing and manufacturer's logo.
- May not have lacing the same color as the ball.
- May not be entirely gray, white or optic in color.
- May not have a gray, white or optic colored marking on the glove that gives the appearance of the ball.
- Must not be judged distracting by the umpire.
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I've seen a lot of umpires take the fourth item and "over-officiate" it. Instead of prohibiting a glove because the white portion "looks like a ball", they just flat out ban it because it contains any white.
Strangely, the high school rule is written to cover a game using either a white or optic yellow ball. If we're using an optic ball, I wouldn't be inclined to prohibit a glove because of a white marking.
The last item is kind of a catch-all that hinges on the umpire judging the glove as "distratcting". That's a wide-open determination and what one umpire sees as distracting, another might not. Still, if the glove doesn't violate any of the other glove rules, I would have a hard time calling it distracting. It is a judgment call- but that doesn't necessarily mean that the umpire will use good judgment!
Just going by your description, and without seeing the glove, I don't think that I'd have a problem with (nor would the majority of other umpires).
One final thought: Do you happen to know if you are in an area where the umpires are assigned from a pool that does both baseball and softball? The high school baseball rules do prohibit ANY white on a glove and I've seen guys that work both sports get that mixed up.
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Thanks - he didn't make her remove it but told me it was illegal and he would ask her to remove it if the other coach questioned it. Reading the rule - the glove is not illegal.
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That's a very poor game management technique. If something is illegal, you address it there, on the spot. Don't wait for somebody else to complain about it. If you're not going to enforce it, why even bother bringing it up in the first place?
If I'm a coach and an umpire tells me something like this, all it does is plant the seed in my mind of "I wonder what other rules he's not going to enforce?".
I wonder what would happen if the other coach found out later in the game that the umpire said the glove was illegal, but didn't do anything about it. I wonder what would happen if he found this out after the pitcher had completely dominated his hitters in the game.
There's enough trouble on the field that will find you that you don't need to go making your own! These might be small incidents in relation to the big picture, but every little doubt you plant in a coach's mind can chip away a little bit at your integrity and reputation. Chip away enough and you're just asking for it!
If I'm a coach and an umpire tells me something like this, all it does is plant the seed in my mind of "I wonder what other rules he's not going to enforce?".
I wonder what would happen if the other coach found out later in the game that the umpire said the glove was illegal, but didn't do anything about it. I wonder what would happen if he found this out after the pitcher had completely dominated his hitters in the game.
There's enough trouble on the field that will find you that you don't need to go making your own! These might be small incidents in relation to the big picture, but every little doubt you plant in a coach's mind can chip away a little bit at your integrity and reputation. Chip away enough and you're just asking for it!
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Couple of Brett's quotes:
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One final thought: Do you happen to know if you are in an area where the umpires are assigned from a pool that does both baseball and softball? The high school baseball rules do prohibit ANY white on a glove and I've seen guys that work both sports get that mixed up.
That's a very poor game management technique. If something is illegal, you address it there, on the spot. Don't wait for somebody else to complain about it. If you're not going to enforce it, why even bother bringing it up in the first place?
If I'm a coach and an umpire tells me something like this, all it does is plant the seed in my mind of "I wonder what other rules he's not going to enforce?".
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I wonder what would happen if the other coach found out later in the game that the umpire said the glove was illegal, but didn't do anything about it. I wonder what would happen if he found this out after the pitcher had completely dominated his hitters in the game.
There's enough trouble on the field that will find you that you don't need to go making your own! These might be small incidents in relation to the big picture, but every little doubt you plant in a coach's mind can chip away a little bit at your integrity and reputation. Chip away enough and you're just asking for it!
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In light of these scenarios above, I just left well enough alone.
Also, being a pitcher's dad, I always followed the golden rule...
Never - EVER - pi** off an umpire. You might need him to rebuild a glove or two for your daughter someday!
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One final thought: Do you happen to know if you are in an area where the umpires are assigned from a pool that does both baseball and softball? The high school baseball rules do prohibit ANY white on a glove and I've seen guys that work both sports get that mixed up.
That's a very poor game management technique. If something is illegal, you address it there, on the spot. Don't wait for somebody else to complain about it. If you're not going to enforce it, why even bother bringing it up in the first place?
If I'm a coach and an umpire tells me something like this, all it does is plant the seed in my mind of "I wonder what other rules he's not going to enforce?".
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I wonder what would happen if the other coach found out later in the game that the umpire said the glove was illegal, but didn't do anything about it. I wonder what would happen if he found this out after the pitcher had completely dominated his hitters in the game.
There's enough trouble on the field that will find you that you don't need to go making your own! These might be small incidents in relation to the big picture, but every little doubt you plant in a coach's mind can chip away a little bit at your integrity and reputation. Chip away enough and you're just asking for it!
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In light of these scenarios above, I just left well enough alone.
Also, being a pitcher's dad, I always followed the golden rule...
Never - EVER - pi** off an umpire. You might need him to rebuild a glove or two for your daughter someday!
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In light of these scenarios above, I just left well enough alone.
Also, being a pitcher's dad, I always followed the golden rule...
Never - EVER - pi** off an umpire. You might need him to rebuild a glove or two for your daughter someday!
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