Hitting and Hitters Discussion Hitting psychology 101

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I'll never claim to be a psychologist, but that sounds like a lack of game confidence. Maybe she does well in practice because there's no pressure. Practicing, she can simply relax and have fun. If she "strikes out" in practice, it never retires the sides. No consequences = no pressure.

Every kid is different, with different motivations, different goals and principles. Just like coaches - some have to be pacing and screaming to be at their best (Bobby Knight), where others can sit calmly most of the time (Rick Pitino). Same results, different demeanor.

Take notice how different kids react when they strike out. Some will beat the ground with their bat and stomp off like it's the end of the world. Others will take it in stride without any emotional outburst. Both might be great competitors who hate to lose, but one has learned the discipline to control their emotions.

I've seen lots of what you're describing. Shuffling the feet, lots of time just before the decision to swing. Has she been hit by a lot of wild pitches? Is she "gun shy"? There are lots of factors. The trick is knowing your daughter and what makes her tick, and what doesn't. Most importantly, she has to buy in to the idea that it's ok to fail at the plate - that it's a part of the game. She already KNOWS she is capable of hitting, because she does it very well in practice. So it's purely a mental block she needs to overcome - and SHE'S the one that needs to do it, not Dad, Mom or the coach.

Games have to be played one inning, one batter, one pitch at a time. I sometimes think coaches and parents place far too much emphasis on the winning and losing aspect - too much looking at the big picture. If the emphasis is shifted from "winning" to "executing all the little things you know how to do", and "having fun doing it", the outcome will eventually BE winning. The shortstop that disciplines herself to FORGET that booted ball will easily field the next one. If she dwells on it and beats herself up, she'll talk herself out of being a good shortstop!

It's NOT easy, but she has to practice "picturing" a game in the same way she does practice. If you've ever seen the movie "Water Boy" with Adam Sandler, you'll know what I mean. Once she finds her own method of "zoning", she'll never forget it. Some kids listen to a favorite song just before the game - others have to be off by themselves to "relax and zone-in". Every kid's different, and sometimes the "buying in" to this philosophy is the biggest stumbling block of all.

I know a high school coach that forbid the players from listening to their IPODs before games. Pity that short-sighted coach...
 
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I'll never claim to be a psychologist, but that sounds like a lack of game confidence. Maybe she does well in practice because there's no pressure. Practicing, she can simply relax and have fun. If she "strikes out" in practice, it never retires the sides. No consequences = no pressure.

Every kid is different, with different motivations, different goals and principles. Just like coaches - some have to be pacing and screaming to be at their best (Bobby Knight), where others can sit calmly most of the time (Rick Pitino). Same results, different demeanor.

Take notice how different kids react when they strike out. Some will beat the ground with their bat and stomp off like it's the end of the world. Others will take it in stride without any emotional outburst. Both might be great competitors who hate to lose, but one has learned the discipline to control their emotions.

I've seen lots of what you're describing. Shuffling the feet, lots of time just before the decision to swing. Has she been hit by a lot of wild pitches? Is she "gun shy"? There are lots of factors. The trick is knowing your daughter and what makes her tick, and what doesn't. Most importantly, she has to buy in to the idea that it's ok to fail at the plate - that it's a part of the game. She already KNOWS she is capable of hitting, because she does it very well in practice. So it's purely a mental block she needs to overcome - and SHE'S the one that needs to do it, not Dad, Mom or the coach.

Games have to be played one inning, one batter, one pitch at a time. I sometimes think coaches and parents place far too much emphasis on the winning and losing aspect - too much looking at the big picture. If the emphasis is shifted from "winning" to "executing all the little things you know how to do", and "having fun doing it", the outcome will eventually BE winning. The shortstop that disciplines herself to FORGET that booted ball will easily field the next one. If she dwells on it and beats herself up, she'll talk herself out of being a good shortstop!

It's NOT easy, but she has to practice "picturing" a game in the same way she does practice. If you've ever seen the movie "Water Boy" with Adam Sandler, you'll know what I mean. Once she finds her own method of "zoning", she'll never forget it. Some kids listen to a favorite song just before the game - others have to be off by themselves to "relax and zone-in". Every kid's different, and sometimes the "buying in" to this philosophy is the biggest stumbling block of all.

I know a high school coach that forbid the players from listening to their IPODs before games. Pity that short-sighted coach...


The crazy thing is:
1. She can hit well. She has been mostly 4 or 5 batter the last couple of years. She can really pound the ball.
2. She's a catcher, she's not gun shy.

I think you are right tho, she needs to know that it's ok to fail at the plate. She's very hared on herself when she doesn't hit well, butr she's not a pouter. She doesn't wear it on her sleeve, although you can at least see it a little on her face. Just enough to know she's disappointed in herself.

At this point, I think it's a bad habit and we cannot figure out how to break it. We discuss it all of the time. We're looking for some way to break the cycle.



http://www.winningstate.com/softball/

I recommend this book by Steve Knight it is purely about confidence in stressful game situations.

bh,
We have the book. I will have her go back and reread it. Thanks for the suggestion. In fact, we have two copies of it. Lol
 
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Sammy,
What do you suggest for the fundamentally sound hitter, who just as you alluded to above, has spent hours perfecting swing (looks very good in practice situations) but gets "happy feet" in the box. We just can't seem to break it. Everything else is solid.

Try the face the fire drill to get her out of the rut and if that does not work call me.

On another note when I was in China we had a press conference on the field while practicing...I had brought two Instructo Swings with me and we where hitting off them blind folded and the reporter took the blind fold and held it up to the Sun to see if it had holes in it. When you fly long distances the airline gives you this blind fold. I took a Chinese coach who had never used the device and after 20 swings he did it and they were surprised. I tried to explain to the Chinese they were the ones who have taught it for years, thousand of years and it is called martial arts! Visuallization is a huge part of any atheletes performance as they see them self doing it and feel it and then they can fix it. This is why we use mirrors so the hitters can see it, feel it and fix it.

One of the little Static girls was here yesterday that the hitting coach from East Central (Heather) works with. She has a great swing and we made minor adjustments as to hand path, bat postion and stance. We had her take cuts in front of the mirror and then I ask her to close her eyes and swing.

Then we moved her to the tee and she hit a few more and I ask her to close her eyes and she hit every pitch with her eyes closed and had the biggest smile. I ask her if she could see the ball with her eyes closed and she said no! Good answer was my response however did you see it in your minds eye and she ask what do you mean and we explained it and she got that look on her face and said now I understand what you mean.

I truly could see the light bulb go off in her head as she got it and Mom and Dad had a grin from ear to ear also.

Marc Grabau sent me a book called the Inner Game of Tennis and I found it very interesting about teaching and about focus and seeing yourself actually doing it and feeling it....and not over coaching with words however getting the person to see it and feel it and to fix it.
 
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Some kids will just be able to hit better than other kids period. Simply due to natural athletic ability. Some kids have it some kids don't. Coaching can only cover up so much. If all it took was great coaching, we would be turning out ASA champions year after year. The longer I'm around this sport, it seems like the less I know. EVERYBODY has a different opinion on everything. We had a big discussion about where to stand in the batter's box on here a while back (up or back). I saw the OSU girls stand everywhere in the box and they all hit. From pitching to hitting, I've seen about every different style work and fail. Checkers would be a lot easier to coach.
 
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Some kids will just be able to hit better than other kids period. Simply due to natural athletic ability. Some kids have it some kids don't. Coaching can only cover up so much. If all it took was great coaching, we would be turning out ASA champions year after year. The longer I'm around this sport, it seems like the less I know. EVERYBODY has a different opinion on everything. We had a big discussion about where to stand in the batter's box on here a while back (up or back). I saw the OSU girls stand everywhere in the box and they all hit. From pitching to hitting, I've seen about every different style work and fail. Checkers would be a lot easier to coach.


Are you saying we shouldn't try to fix the happy feet? Lol.

By the way: weren't you the one who started the thread on where to stand in the box?? Lol
 
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some kids will just be able to hit better than other kids period. Simply due to natural athletic ability. Some kids have it some kids don't. Coaching can only cover up so much. If all it took was great coaching, we would be turning out asa champions year after year. The longer i'm around this sport, it seems like the less i know. Everybody has a different opinion on everything. We had a big discussion about where to stand in the batter's box on here a while back (up or back). I saw the osu girls stand everywhere in the box and they all hit. From pitching to hitting, i've seen about every different style work and fail. Checkers would be a lot easier to coach.

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Some kids will just be able to hit better than other kids period. Simply due to natural athletic ability. Some kids have it some kids don't. Coaching can only cover up so much. If all it took was great coaching, we would be turning out ASA champions year after year. The longer I'm around this sport, it seems like the less I know. EVERYBODY has a different opinion on everything. We had a big discussion about where to stand in the batter's box on here a while back (up or back). I saw the OSU girls stand everywhere in the box and they all hit. From pitching to hitting, I've seen about every different style work and fail. Checkers would be a lot easier to coach.

Ringer I could not disagree with you more....however I will leave you with this thought....what is the difference between a Northern Baptist and a Southern Baptist?

A Northern Baptist says there ain't no shell and the Southern Baptist said the shell there ain't.

Tell Bobby Knight and Wooden, Phil Jackson there is nothing related to coaching and they just need to recruit better athletes and there is no coaching required in fact why even have a coach let the parents run it as they know more than anybody...just recruit the better athletes and the problem is solved. :D
 
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Wow Ringer,

I had you as a glass is half full kinda guy, not empty!!
 
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I see some truth to Ringer's post...I know of a few kids that can roll out of bed and hit...never had a private lesson and put less work into it than others.

I think that any player that has the desire and will put in the time and hard work will become an effective hitter...Arriving at what is THE method is the rub...as you said.

I still see you as "half-full" kinda guy.
 
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"Ringer....We had a big discussion about where to stand in the batter's box on here a while back (up or back). I saw the OSU girls stand everywhere in the box and they all hit. From pitching to hitting, I've seen about every different style work and fail. Checkers would be a lot easier to coach."

So was the other teams pitcher that bad or perhaps the hitters were that good? Would you take your 11,12,13,14 etc and just let them move all over the box or would you train or coach them by using lets say the Barry Bonds drill. What if we told you we had a 10.5 year old that did it at Westerville and about a hundred plus parents saw it happen right before their eyes. Then once we worked with them some of the others, they started getting the timing process down and some still struggled and then started to improve also.

This was the thread and girl they were talking about...

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Geez, I didn't realize we had two of these threads going. I'm going to repeat my post from the other thread because the little one sure blew me away:

OK, she really should have her own separate thread but that precious little ten year old charged my coaching batteries for at LEAST another year. Talented, eager to learn, cute as a button and wonderfully innocent. She probably won't want to know six years from now that she scampered into the cage after Crystl hit a first bucket, held her hand up for a high five, and said "Good job, Crystl".

In all seriousness, I told her after the clinic that I knew Ted and I would be telling people over the next eight years "yeah, we got to see her when she was only ten".

THANK YOU so much to Howard and Crystl. Ted and I hope we now qualify as at least junior lemmings and we are available if the senior lemmings don't have enough numbers to man any given clinic.

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Every clinic we do we start off with throwing and we always get a parent who grumbles out loud so they know you could hear them say, "My daughter knows how to throw, I thought this was a hitting clinic!" Then when they see they do not know how to throw and why their arms hurt they kind of move off to a corner and have little else to say. However I challenged one at East Central while doing a clinic for the Static and at lunch she apologized and said I thought she knew how to throw and why didn't her coaches know how to do this and teach her this method...I guess some kids just are better throwers than others kind of like hitters maybe?

As to the comment on checkers....turn the board upside down and read the directions on the back of the board....it has listed the best 10 opening moves for checkers, it was part of our program after our son had severe head trauma and was partially paralyzed and it frustrated him however he never gave up. I will PM you the rest of his story!
 
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I agree Sammy...hitting has an extremely mental part to it. I know when I'm calling pitches for my pitcher that I sometimes get a little intimidated by a hitter when they are confident at the plate, and we can't seem to get anything by them. If a hitter approaches that plate with confidence and aggressivness they will be a tough out. Even if they strike out they are positive that they have given a "quality at bat" and the pitcher feels lucky to have gotten them out.
Batters who work hard on their own in the cage and on the tees can master that mental side. The "wannabes" are easy to spot, they won't put in the time, and it shows at the plate.


The last 2 sentences are so simple in their truth it's almost easy to bypass them. We have a kid on our team is at that level (not my kid BTW !) . She got there by 4-5 days a week hitting. NO, not actually talking about it, she does it. Very very few have the motivation to do tee/cage work 4-5 days a week. Oh man does it show on the weekends. When the college coaches start drooling she will have earned , and will be deserving of, all the attention. For all the talk about hard work very few are willing to do it. MD
 
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Sammy, I agree with importance of mental attitude and hitting. From player to player, a coach can pretty much assess a team's hitters as the arrive to the on-deck circle. It is easy to spot the true hitters by just watching how close they mimic the incoming pitch as it arrives to the to the batter at the plate. Often time the real good hitters will not only be on time with their practice swing but also on location. When this happens, look out you have a thinker on your hands. As for the swing mechanics being the answer to advancement in the sport such as your scenerio adreessed, the player that hits well with less than par mechanics probably has something that the player with good mechanics but swings and misses doesn't and that is good visual perception. That may be the best attribute of all for a hitter.


two-outs --great post , very true MD
 
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You are missing my point BlastMom. All, I'm saying is not every kid is the same. Natural ability plays a big part.

Howard, what do you disagree with? The hitting part or the coaching checkers part?
 
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"Ringer....We had a big discussion about where to stand in the batter's box on here a while back (up or back). I saw the OSU girls stand everywhere in the box and they all hit. From pitching to hitting, I've seen about every different style work and fail. Checkers would be a lot easier to coach."

So was the other teams pitcher that bad or perhaps the hitters were that good? Would you take your 11,12,13,14 etc and just let them move all over the box or would you train or coach them by using lets say the Barry Bonds drill.....

You tell me. We've been having our kids not move in the box and adjust to the timing and pitching like you suggest. My DD however, loves to hit from the front of the box and she fights me all the time when I have her move back. I go to the Ohio State game and get the "See, she just hit it over the 220 mark and she wasn't in the back of the box." All of the girls seemed to get in the box where they felt most comfortable to hit the ball. Is the OSU coaching staff wrong for letting the kids move in the box. We saw one hitter adjust between pitches.
 
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Wait till she faces a good rise ball pitcher. My pitcher last year got 14 K's , facing a team that had everyone in front of the box in high school. . I called the pitches. We forget that a good college player can adjust . We do not teach the extremes, as must kids cannot adjust and are not at the level of play that a good college player is at. .

Read the first post on this web site on standing up in the box.
http://www.windpitch.com/PitcherCatcherChart.html
Unless the player has been taught how to keep the hands above the riseball and has a good move, you are in big trouble.
 
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"Natural ability" is a misnomer. "Athletic ability" would be more accurate. I guarantee you no college coach will put stock in a kid with so-called "natural ability". Natural born hitters, pitchers and fielders don't just emerge from the womb with a bat and pre-fitted ball glove. The "naturals" are the few that took the initiative to use their God-given athletic ability and bust their tails to become a talented athlete.

The wake-up call comes when these kids are juniors in high school - especially the ones who are professing to be playing "real" travel ball. Gee... that "level" swing worked great in high school - hit .450 with it! That "pancake" swing will set you on the bench in college. Let's be honest - there is a simple reason why most girls never get into the college ranks. It's simply because they aren't willing to put forth the PROPER effort to succeed. The sheer number of "rec level" high school softball players is proof.

Up in the box or back in the box. If you want to get to a higher level in this game, you better know the WHAT and WHY of how to approach hitting. Otherwise, there's a smart pitcher just waiting on you to expose your weakness, and they WILL sit you down.
 
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You tell me. We've been having our kids not move in the box and adjust to the timing and pitching like you suggest. My DD however, loves to hit from the front of the box and she fights me all the time when I have her move back. I go to the Ohio State game and get the "See, she just hit it over the 220 mark and she wasn't in the back of the box." All of the girls seemed to get in the box where they felt most comfortable to hit the ball. Is the OSU coaching staff wrong for letting the kids move in the box. We saw one hitter adjust between pitches.

I can not speak for all of the kids on Ohio States team...however most probably have worked the timing issues and know the pitchers from scouting the teams and trading information and I know two of them have done the drills as I coached them in high school and select ball.

What I am trying to get at is just because you see someone else do it does not mean you or your daughter can do it. If you understand there are ways to train for it then possibly you could do it better and more consistently.
 
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You are missing my point BlastMom. All, I'm saying is not every kid is the same. Natural ability plays a big part.

Howard, what do you disagree with? The hitting part or the coaching checkers part?

I see what your saying Ringer, perhaps your glass is half-full. lol

My dd is a good athlete but I would be stretching to say a natural. Her hard work however definately keeps her in the game with the naturals.
 

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