how do you score a dropped 3rd strike

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RUNNER SAFE. IS AN ERROR ON CATCHER

 

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E2

 

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KPB or KWP not "technically" an error. If the runner scores a KPB would not be an earned run.

 

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Thank You

 

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I am probably going to go..." OH YEAH!" ?after I read the answers to these questions but here goes.
What is KPB and KWP?
And....Is there any time a batter can not advance on a 3rd strike drop other than when first is occupied? Any rules like...batter can't run with 1 out.

 

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K = strike out (credited to the pitcher)
PB = pass ball
WP = wild pitch

 

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Robey,

You ask:

Is there any time a batter can not advance on a 3rd strike drop other than when first is occupied? ?Any rules like...batter can't run with 1 out. ?

If there are no outs or one out and 1st base is occupied, the batter cannot advance to first on a dropped 3rd strike. ?Even if the runner steals. ?Occupation of a base is determined prior to the pitch.

If there are two outs, a batter can attempt to advance to first on a dropped third strike even if there is runner on first. ?Of course, the runner on first had better be moving toward second or you will have 2 runners at the same base.

Just a reminder, the term "Dropped third strike" is a mis-nomer. ?If, with two strikes, the batters gets third strike, either swinging or taking, and it hits the ground before the catcher can gain control, then it is considered a "Dropped third strike". ?So a pitched ball can skip into the catcher, the batter swings and misses, the catcher makes a good scoop and catch, the umpires call strike three, and it is considered a "Dropped third strike". ?The umpire will not say "Batter is out", or something to that effect ?(because the batter is not out--yet). The batter had better be moving to first and the catcher, if she didn't already make the tag, will be throwing to an appropriate base in an attempt to get a runner out (usually but not always first base). ?By the way, if the batter is not in her running lane going to first and the catcher hits the runner with the throw, in ASA you can make an argument for Runner Interference.

These are the rules as I understand them however Bretman and a few others are far more qualified than me to comment on this and if I am wandering in my interpretations, I hope they can steer me back to the path.

On the scoring, The Bear was correct. ?I would add, that would be the scoring if the runner beats the throw to first. ?If the catcher throws the ball away or the baseman receiving the throw drops it, then there would also be an error scored against the appropriate player.

 

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What about this - ball pitched - batter swings and misses - ball hits ground prior to catcher's glove. Plate umpire calls "You're Out" player runs to 1st - no attempt made to tag or throw to 1st because plate umpire called the girl out. 1st base umpire calls girl safe, but home plate umpire calls her out - who is correct - plate umpire or base umpire?

 

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Sounds like the home plate umpire got ahead of himself. I would not like to open this Pandora's box. No matter which way he moves, he's going to receive flak. :-X

 

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Fastpitch123,

Yuck! That is an ugly situation for two umpires to get themselves into!

No matter what they decide, 1/2 the fans and players are going to be pretty ticked off.

As for who is right and who is wrong, the plate umpire is obviously wrong if he called the batter out when she was allowed to advance. (I'm assuming she was allowed to- you didn't mention the number of outs or if first base was occupied. At face value, the information in your post doesn't tell us if she was allowed to run or not!)

Some things to consider to sort this out:

One factor to consider: the defense is obligated to know the rules and to know if the batter is allowed to run or not. If she was, then the defense should follow through with the play and make the throw to first.

Advantage: offense.

If the pitch bounced and went right into the mitt, and the catcher was holding it right behind the plate, the batter most likely would have been put out anyway. The umpires might stick with the out call.

Advantage: defense.

The tie-breaker might go to whichever coach has the smallest meltdown when the call doesn't go his way!

Seriously, this is a perfect example of why plate umpires are trained to NOT say, "Batter's out" immediately following a third strike. Most of the time, the batter IS out. But if you get in a habit of saying this after every strike out, it's going to bite you on that one play- like this one- where the batter IS NOT out!

The only time an umpire should be yelling, "Batter's out", is when the batter is advancing up the first base line on a play where she IS NOT allowed to advance. Before uttering that phrase, the umpire needs to be 100% the batter is indeed out. This is a good game management technique that can put a stop to a lot of confusion before it even happens.

 

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I f you saw the Alabama /Northwestern game last nite you now know umpires are not always right. What a mess the home plate umpire made of that game.

 

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Lightningcoach:
How right you are. Northwestern almost lost the game because of it.

 

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There were bad calls on both teams last night. Both teams got away with being called safe on second when the tag was sooooooo obvious. I think the bad call issue was equal on both sides. I don't feel there was any preferrencial (sp?)treatment. Just IMHO.

 

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Oh, I don't think it was special treatment whatsoever. I just think that the home plate umpire made 2 very obvious bad calls right in a row. But that's the way the ball rolls sometimes.(pardon the pun) It made me feel better knowing that there are bad calls made even at that level!! ha ha ha ;D