Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Intentional walk loss//

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Mark,
No tourney... Just my head spinning without my meds..... Just a thought of why not? If you have even an all state batter why not? You never know even with two strikes.... That's why we just don't point and say take first... Wet ball, wind, anything could happen...

 

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Don't forget while you're taking your hacks at pitches a couple of feet off the plate...you still need to keep your feet in the batter's box! Step out of the box, or step onto the plate, and if the ball hits the bat you just turned a free base into an out.

 

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Don't forget while you're taking your hacks at pitches a couple of feet off the plate...you still need to keep your feet in the batter's box! Step out of the box, or step onto the plate, and if the ball hits the bat you just turned a free base into an out.

I witnessed this in HS this past year where hitters were fighting off my DD curve ball, and not one time did blue ever make the call. Have seen it travel as well with many other pitchers, never seen it called.

 

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Ah, but the entire foot needs to be out of the box.... if part is touching white she's still in.....Some kids have big feet these days you know.... Unless she's stepping on the plate. Brett-- Curious if the Black constitutes part of the plate if it really doesn't exist?

 

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If the batter is swinging at intentional walk pitches then maybe it would be easier to accidentally on propose hit the batter and let them take the base. Just saying. hehe JK

Ah yes, the old Don Drysdale mentality - "Why walk them with 4 pitches when you can hit them with 1."

 

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Ah, but the entire foot needs to be out of the box.... if part is touching white she's still in.....Some kids have big feet these days you know.... Unless she's stepping on the plate. Brett-- Curious if the Black constitutes part of the plate if it really doesn't exist?

Black is not considered part of the plate with respect to balls/strikes, as the rules describe the plate as being 17" wide.

It is part of the plate with respect to a player touching it. It is the side of the base, just like all of the other bases have a side rising up from the ground that a player can touch.

 

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I understand the rule, I've seen entire foot in front of home plate and on home plate. I do remember it being called one time and it was a rec ball game on a bunt attempt.

 

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Doesnt both feet have to be out of the batters box to be ruled out? As far as the other story on here about swinging at balls, it goes against everything they have been taught as well (my opinion).

 

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Doesnt both feet have to be out of the batters box to be ruled out?

Nope. Just one.

 

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Quick question and it has nothing to do with intentional walks and I hate to hijack this thread, but all the talk about stepping out of box brought something to mind. A couple tournaments back dd's team played a team that it seemed everytime there was a runner on first and the batter swung and missed, their momentum took them completely out of the box and they wound up standing in front of the plate. It seemed to me to be intentional but they never did try to steal in this instance. If they would steal and batter is in way of throw would it be interference or would it be deemed incidental if ump thought their momentum carried them out of box. Just asking. Thanks.

 

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Quick question and it has nothing to do with intentional walks and I hate to hijack this thread, but all the talk about stepping out of box brought something to mind. A couple tournaments back dd's team played a team that it seemed everytime there was a runner on first and the batter swung and missed, their momentum took them completely out of the box and they wound up standing in front of the plate. It seemed to me to be intentional but they never did try to steal in this instance. If they would steal and batter is in way of throw would it be interference or would it be deemed incidental if ump thought their momentum carried them out of box. Just asking. Thanks.

My understanding of the rule is if they are out of the box and in the umpire's judgement they impede the catcher the batter is out, the ball is dead, and the runner goes back to first

 

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Yep..."out of the box" is "out of the box", no matter if the batter got there by design or by accident.

 

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Nope. Just one.

So is that ASA only? watching college and the slap hitters all have one foot out and a USSSA Tourney I watched a couple of weeks ago batters started really far up in box, however no box but was clearly one foot out...What about high school as well?

 

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Strahl, It can be airborne out of the box at contact, but not on the ground and completely out.

 

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So is that ASA only? watching college and the slap hitters all have one foot out and a USSSA Tourney I watched a couple of weeks ago batters started really far up in box, however no box but was clearly one foot out...What about high school as well?

This one is universal. The rule is the same from T-Ball to the Major Leagues...and everything in between.

As H-Dad noted, for the batter to be called out the foot must be in contact with the ground and entirely out of the batter's box at the same time the pitch contacts the bat to call the batter out.

The foot an be in the air, bat hits ball, then the foot lands outside the box...legal.

Also, the lines of the batter's box are considered to be part of the box. The foot on the ground has to be completely outside the lines. If even one tiny sliver of the foot is touching the line when the ball is hit, the batter is considered to be in the box...legal.

If no batter's boxes are drawn, all of the rules pertaining to the batter's box still apply. The only difference is that the size and location of the box is now at the umpire's judgment. You do hope that the umpire has some solid notion of where the box should be located and how big it is. With no box chalked out, we are told to give the batter every benefit of the doubt on foot placement and to not nit-pick this call. In that case we should only call this if the batter is grossly, obviously and blatantly out of the box.

 

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This one is universal. The rule is the same from T-Ball to the Major Leagues...and everything in between.

As H-Dad noted, for the batter to be called out the foot must be in contact with the ground and entirely out of the batter's box at the same time the pitch contacts the bat to call the batter out.

The foot an be in the air, bat hits ball, then the foot lands outside the box...legal.

Also, the lines of the batter's box are considered to be part of the box. The foot on the ground has to be completely outside the lines. If even one tiny sliver of the foot is touching the line when the ball is hit, the batter is considered to be in the box...legal.

If no batter's boxes are drawn, all of the rules pertaining to the batter's box still apply. The only difference is that the size and location of the box is now at the umpire's judgment. You do hope that the umpire has some solid notion of where the box should be located and how big it is. With no box chalked out, we are told to give the batter every benefit of the doubt on foot placement and to not nit-pick this call. In that case we should only call this if the batter is grossly, obviously and blatantly out of the box.

Thanks H-D and Bret. I always thought this was the rule but things I've seen over the last couple of years I wasnt completely sure that I was sure.....:yahoo:

 

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I think Daddy O was saying that after the batter swung at a pitch she did so with such momentum that she ended up in front of the plate or straddling it. I've seen this too. The back foot is pulled forward by the force of swing. Does this make any difference? The batters i've seen do this usually are in the way of the catcher so when this happens.

 

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2 questions:

1) can a slapper for example go running forward and end up way out of the box towards the pitcher if they do NOT swing at the ball?

2) can a batter/runner be on the INSIDE of the baseline whether a ball is hit, or a third strike dropped until roughly the half way mark to first base (at which point there is usually a running lane chalked) and not be called out if hit by a thrown ball to first?

 

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I think Daddy O was saying that after the batter swung at a pitch she did so with such momentum that she ended up in front of the plate or straddling it. I've seen this too. The back foot is pulled forward by the force of swing. Does this make any difference? The batters i've seen do this usually are in the way of the catcher so when this happens.

No, it doesn't matter, with respect to interference. The batter is responsible for her own swing, follow-through and body movement. Players can, and do, accidently interfere in lot's of situations on the field.

The catcher is entitled to make a play without being hindered or impeded. If the batter is "out of the box", she is "out of the box"...no matter how she got there- either accidently or on purpose.

 

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2 questions:

1) can a slapper for example go running forward and end up way out of the box towards the pitcher if they do NOT swing at the ball?

2) can a batter/runner be on the INSIDE of the baseline whether a ball is hit, or a third strike dropped until roughly the half way mark to first base (at which point there is usually a running lane chalked) and not be called out if hit by a thrown ball to first?

1) Yes. If the ball isn't batted, there is no penalty for simply being out of the box.

2) Yes. The three-foot running lane begins half-way up the foul line to first base. Prior to reaching the half-way point, the batter-runner can be wherever she wants. If the throw hits her, it's not interference.