Hitting and Hitters Discussion MIKE EPSTEIN HITTING is coming to COLUMBUS, November 14-16!

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For registration and location information:
http://www.mikeepsteinhitting.com/oh_columbus_hitting_camp.htm

Each player receives:
? 9 otal hours of training from Mike Epstein Certified Instructors
? Complete personal video analysis with each player ($75 value)
? (1) Mike Epstein "Perfect Swing" training bat ($44 value)
? (1) Authentic Mike Epstein Hitting Tee Shirt ($15 value)
? (2) Tickets to the Friday evening seminar ($20 value)

The Epstein Teaching System? is based on Mike Epstein?s nine-year Major League "firing line" playing experience, his long-standing relationship with his mentor, Ted Williams, years of study and research, conversations with some of the best hitting minds in the game, and over twenty years instructing players to help them hit their potentials.

Your investment in your son or daughter
? Per player: $375.00
? Group rate (3 or more): $325.00 per player

For registration and location information:
http://www.mikeepsteinhitting.com/oh_columbus_hitting_camp.htm

 

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Hmmmmmmmmmm

 

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I see that there is an "observation only" option for coaches of $150. Not at all sad that I'll be spending my $$ that weekend on an NFCA course taught by NCAA head coaches.

 

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when did mike epstein play fastpitch??

 

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I am pretty sure that Mike Epstein teaches a different style than Crystl Bustos and Howard Carrier teach. I found out today that Crystl and Howard are coming to Columbus in February--just not sure of the date yet.

 

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When did Howard play fastpitch?

I am taking my daughter to the clinic. To me, it was the best option available at the time - a small number of people at each session, spread over several days, and with some well-designed reinforcement tools in the program.

The web site says "rotational hitting." Anyone can call their style whatever they want, and talk down other styles, but I am not a big believer that there is only ONE right way. (I do think that there are some wrong ways.)

My plan is to get my daughter into a system, and work it hard. If it doesn't work, we will change.

Let's not turn this thread into a "bash" Epstein thread. I don't have any ties to Mr. Epstein, but I will give him some slack.

 

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Hmmmmmmmmmm

exactly.......

 

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$ 375 ? ouch !

 

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I see that there is an "observation only" option for coaches of $150. Not at all sad that I'll be spending my $$ that weekend on an NFCA course taught by NCAA head coaches.

Ditto for me...See you there.

Epstein is ridiculously expensive and a 7 day hitting program will run upwards around $600-1,200 depending on which instructor you use. Maybe it is a worthy investment for some but I had to pass.

 

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If a person can build a jet engine does he need to know how to fly? This is regards to one of above posts.

 

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Bought the Epstein DVDS and I swear he says "95% of all Major Leaguers......" a least 100 times. Sounds like a broken record. Any way there is some validity to his rotational hitting theory. He talks a lot about the "plain of the pitch". The plane of the pitch in baseball is much different than it is in fastpitch. Baseball's pitch is always falling b/c its released high the majority of the time and gravity draws it down on a downward plain. The fastpitch ball plain as we all know, can rise and fall. He talks about meeting the plain of the pitch with a tilted upper cut swing. Now I think this is really good for a baseball hitter. My issues: how do you hit a rise ball with an upper cut - you can but you can pop ot. Other issues are that I don't think he understands that part of our fastpitch game is based on putting the ball in play and pressuring the defense. Epstein spends the majority of the time talking about hitting long homeruns and fly balls to drive in runs....and he says "that's what its all about isn't it". True but there are many other ways to drive runs in fastpitch as opposed to baseball. He goes on to say that most of us live in the astro turf era when it comes to teaching hitting. Meaning that back in the 70's a baseball prospect with speed was taught to slap and run as the ball is much faster on turf and will get through (i.e. Moreno, Wills, Brock, Henderson) Now he says we need a paradigm shift in our teaching on hitting. I agree for baseball that homeruns and driving in runs with long balls means a lot to baseball (and its ratings) but I don't agree that homeruns and driving long fly balls carries the same weight for fastpitch. Some other things he says make sense like: "getting a good pitch to hit" - he quotes Ted Williams on that. He also has some instruction on underloading (speeding up the swing) which is also important to our fastpitch game. My recommendation - buy the DVDs its cheaper. He'll say the same thing at a clinic.

 

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I have the Epstein DVD series and also attended Howards Clinic with Crystal. The rotational hitting that Epstein teaches is very similar to Howards techniques. Howard went into more of the specifics on hand path and position that were insightful. I agree with buying the DVD's versus $375 because you get 4 or 5 DVD's and they are helpful.

 

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buxgrad91

I also have Epstien dvd's from 3-4 years ago. Went to Howards clinic and have worked with him in person.

I am not putting down Epstein, but I do not think what Howards teach's is any thing close to what Epstein teach's.






Howard ,Lady Knights,Sb family, Bouldersdad, Hitter 23, Sammy all know RVP.

Correct me if i made a error in comparing the 2.
Again, nothing against going to a Epstien clinic. I just see different teaching methods.




Straightleg

 

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From my researching of hitting...Epstein is a pure rotational type of teacher, with no mention of a linear movement into rotational merchanics. The students on his website keep there weight to the backside and just rotate, using torque to generate bat speed and power. Works for some, but it is not what is being done at the highest level. I just don't understand how he believes this is whats being taught at the major league level.
I have heard that he has updated somewhat to believe there is a linear weight shift, but has no current DVD's out to substantiate this.

 

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If a person can build a jet engine does he need to know how to fly? This is regards to one of above posts.

Not saying you can't do it.... but I'd say it is more like having never flown yet teaching to fly.... as opposed to teaching someone how to build jet engines....

 

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Not saying you can't do it.... but I'd say it is more like having never flown yet teaching to fly.... as opposed to teaching someone how to build jet engines....

his resume of student athletes that have gone on to college speak for themselves...his kids rip changeups and they dont double load...

 

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epstein was a waste at last years high scool clinic in cbus

he spent the whole time selling him an his own kid jake

 

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Yes Crystl and Howard are coming to Columbus Feb. 14 and 15 mark your calendar!!!

 

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I am pretty sure that Mike Epstein teaches a different style than Crystl Bustos and Howard Carrier teach. I found out today that Crystl and Howard are coming to Columbus in February--just not sure of the date yet.

Yes they will be in Westerville, Feb 14th and 15th. There will be 3 sessions. More info to come, check the Central Ohio Ice website. Will be posted there soon!

 

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I agree with LK and Straight Leg. If I recall Don Slaught and Epstein disagree. . If you read discussfastpitch.com. One of the hottest topics is on Rotational hitting. Someone can correct me but at the NFCA convention Don and Mike had a public debate on linear versus rotational. I think it was Don that showed Ted Williams and Babe Ruth and many others using a linear weight shift. You can use RVP and see Lisa Fernadaz use a Linear weight shift. If she can hit .536 in the 2004 games then I would think she would be a good model for softball. Watch Bustos. Her swing has been posted on here many times.
I'm sure someone can add to this discussion, but I would think you are better off buying RVP over Epstein training. Just my two cents. Go to the NFCA website and I think the debate is on sale on DVD that way you can make your own mind up as to the linear weigth shift rotational issues that were debated and clearly shown at the convention

From what I was told , Anyone that was there felt Don Slaught had a more compelling case that slow motion video proved that Ted Williams used a linear wieght shift and that Epstein was speach less when asked to comment after viewing it.

Many people use his fence drill as an illustration of pulling off the ball and mechanics that get kicked around on many baseball and softball forums and that he is too rotational and refuses to see any value in the linear weight shift.

I'm sure if you go you can ask him about this debate and get his side.,