Release or not releasing?

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Thank you for the reply's (about the original post). The reason I asked is because we had two girls at our tryouts that were releasing on their. They said their coach from last season had instructed them to do so. One hit pretty good but the other really struggled. It appeared to me that maybe she was releasing to soon and it was affecting her swing. I didn't instruct any different, I let her swing the way she was taught.

I have never instucted a player to release and I honestly didn't see where her releasing was helping her. Just wonder what the benefit was of releasing.

We have kids that do both and are great hitters....I let them evolve to what works for them and after they master keeping both hands on the bat at contact they learn what feels best to them and the results pretty much speak for itself.

We often say just because they have a drivers license does not automatically qualify you to be on the NASCAR circuit either as there are mechanics and style that still needs to be developed. :D
 
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We have kids that do both and are great hitters....I let them evolve to what works for them and after they master keeping both hands on the bat at contact they learn what feels best to them and the results pretty much speak for itself.

We often say just because they have a drivers license does not automatically qualify you to be on the NASCAR circuit either as there are mechanics and style that still needs to be developed. :D


Thank you!!!!
 
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I believe that proper release is the end goal. I find I can hardly hold on to the bat with two hands because of the whip and extension. However when teaching my daughter she was unable to handle it consistantly as she had a tendency to take her hands left. When I had her go to two hands on she was able to consistently perform her swing. I do plan to reintroduce it or simply allow her to find it herself down the line because I believe it is smoother and I feel I get more power with it.
 
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Top hand release after contact, and extension is style. Top hand release before contact and extension is not a good thing, as far as the goat goes..........I have to take my hat off to Rob. not everyone has the brass to show a pic of his girlfriend on OFC.
 
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Sorry dude after taking another look at the goat .............. its a male. lol
 
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Sorry dude after taking another look at the goat .............. its a male. lol

Tim I even PM'd Chris and said call Tim as he would know if it was a male or female as he has been behind the scenes before and understanding your heritage you would be the officiator of goat-ism.:D

However I guess you are just trying to have fun :lmao:
 
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The answer to the question depends on what happens in the swing prior to release -- i.e., when the bat contacts the ball.

There are only two things that determine how a ball is hit -- the track the bat takes through the air, and the speed the bat is traveling upon impact. What happens after impact is only meaningful if it affects the track of the bat or the speed of the bat at or before impact.

Some good hitters hold the bat with both hands all the way through he follow-through. These tend to be players with good flexibility. Their arms and their spines can flex as the bat decelerates.

Other good hitters release their top (or back) hand after full extension. These may be more muscular, less flexible players.

My point is, whether the bat decelerates in one hand or two generally has no effect on the swing up to the point the ball is hit. The player will usually arrive naturally at the deceleration technique that works best for her.

There are good hitters who do it both ways. It's not something I'd spend much time on unless a player's release is so awkward that it's slowing her bat down, or unless it looks like she might injure herself.
 
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The answer to the question depends on what happens in the swing prior to release -- i.e., when the bat contacts the ball.

There are only two things that determine how a ball is hit -- the track the bat takes through the air, and the speed the bat is traveling upon impact. What happens after impact is only meaningful if it affects the track of the bat or the speed of the bat at or before impact.

Some good hitters hold the bat with both hands all the way through he follow-through. These tend to be players with good flexibility. Their arms and their spines can flex as the bat decelerates.

Other good hitters release their top (or back) hand after full extension. These may be more muscular, less flexible players.

My point is, whether the bat decelerates in one hand or two generally has no effect on the swing up to the point the ball is hit. The player will usually arrive naturally at the deceleration technique that works best for her.

There are good hitters who do it both ways. It's not something I'd spend much time on unless a player's release is so awkward that it's slowing her bat down, or unless it looks like she might injure herself.

I would like to offer another view point. At the point of contact if we are not hitting the ball square it is wasted effort in my opinion as we are not driving the ball and the bat makes a thud sound verses a sharp click or crack. This usually is a result of grip, as most teach lining up the finger knuckles and holding the bat in the back of the top hand, so at MOI or when the wrist unhinge the bottom hand is not being used efficiently and the top hand wrist is probably rolling over and we feel this is important as the ball is only on the bat for about 2 milliseconds.

Most girls have no idea what that feels like to hit the ball squarely or for that fact what it feels like to pull on the bat and unhinge the wrist to make square contact which is why we take the time to show them what leverage is and how we grip the bat with both hands makes a difference. Then we show them how to use a hammer vertically and horizontally with each hand independently and then with what we call a hammer bat. The mallet head is attached to a shaft like a bat and the mallet head is about 27 inches from the knob or the sweet part of the bat.

SBfamily tried the TCB weighted balls and this is yet another way to demonstrate why two hands are important. Most hitters can not get the ball past the pitchers rubber and most of our kids can get it almost to the grass. The ball does not deflect and the trampoline effect is lost, so it is all in the hitter now. The Static families bought me 6 of these balls and so far I like the results. However I would not use anything but the 14.99 ounce ones.

Most women golfers have problems with their swing and follow through because of the carrying angle of the elbows which can be as much as 4 to 10 degrees. Their shoulders are narrower and rounded and are looser compared to a male. Simply have a female hold their arms straight out in front of them and palm up and you will see the differences. The thumb side of the hand angles outward and this is why they hit like a girls and another reason they throw like a girl because they are a girl! However it can be taught and this is why when we do the hand over drill they usually hit the ball harder with just the lead hand because it is new to them and they feel it probably for the first time. Then when they use both hands correctly they hear the bat click and we hit the ball harder and farther. We teach to hit the ball squarely with both hands and drive to the ball and through the ball and the rest normally takes care of itself.

In most of the younger ones they do not turn and tilt enough so they release the top hand first as you can see visually the baby finger and ring finger and social finger begin to come off the bat. This is why keeping both hands on the bat is not easy for most girls as we as males never taught them how to use an axe or even how to use a hammer and that means little to no use of the wrist and grip is not even taught.

Ask your daughter to very slowly swing at a ball on a tee and not hit the ball and when the back elbow is coming down pay particular attention to the top hand fingers. I mention this because if the shoulders are not tilting and turning you will see them come loose from the bat as they are too linear.

I did this yesterday with three college coaches who have played ball and they were pulling everything and we changed the grip and did as described above and you could see the difference in bat speed and hear the difference as they were hitting the ball squarely. :D

I have girls who can not afford the $300 dollar bats that use the Michelle Smith Rip It bats that hit the ball 240 plus feet. It is not the bat in my opinion it is how they are taught to use it that makes the difference.
 
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Dan, Chris, Tim, Kyle, Gerry aka lemmings et al;

"SBfamily tried the TCB weighted balls and this is yet another way to demonstrate why two hands are important. Most hitters can not get the ball past the pitchers rubber and most of our kids can get it almost to the grass. The ball does not deflect and the trampoline effect is lost, so it is all in the hitter now. The Static families bought me 6 of these balls and so far I like the results. However I would not use anything but the 14.99 ounce ones."

One of the kids home from college stopped by today and tried it and could not drive it and then we got her re tuned up and she started driving it harder.

One of the things I noticed was the China balls, the red and white 10.8 ounces and the blue and white 11.8 ounces will bounce off the floor and the TCB will bounce one inch or less. The TCB balls stay on the bat longer and conform to the bat when hit, so I soft toss it a little more towards the catcher and then it will go up the middle. Without the hardness of the ball the trampoline effect is nearly canceled out and the hitter must be balanced and connected or the ball comes off the bat very weakly and awkward.

If you release the bat with the top hand too soon it sure shows up quickly and the hitter knows it as well. This definitely helps with keeping both hands on the bat and thinking to the ball and through the ball with the head down!
 
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Dan, Chris, Tim, Kyle, Gerry aka lemmings et al;

"SBfamily tried the TCB weighted balls and this is yet another way to demonstrate why two hands are important. Most hitters can not get the ball past the pitchers rubber and most of our kids can get it almost to the grass. The ball does not deflect and the trampoline effect is lost, so it is all in the hitter now. The Static families bought me 6 of these balls and so far I like the results. However I would not use anything but the 14.99 ounce ones."

One of the kids home from college stopped by today and tried it and could not drive it and then we got her re tuned up and she started driving it harder.

One of the things I noticed was the China balls, the red and white 10.8 ounces and the blue and white 11.8 ounces will bounce off the floor and the TCB will bounce one inch or less. The TCB balls stay on the bat longer and conform to the bat when hit, so I soft toss it a little more towards the catcher and then it will go up the middle. Without the hardness of the ball the trampoline effect is nearly canceled out and the hitter must be balanced and connected or the ball comes off the bat very weakly and awkward.

If you release the bat with the top hand too soon it sure shows up quickly and the hitter knows it as well. This definitely helps with keeping both hands on the bat and thinking to the ball and through the ball with the head down!


Howard,

Wouldnt hitting weighted balls be along the same lines as the old hitting basketballs drills we know is outdate and a no-no? Or am i missing something?

Chris
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Chris no. They do not bounce off the bat like a basketball does. Talk to Tim, I showed them to him at ASA State in Findlay. Shayne is getting some and I think they are one of the best new tools out there. I gave one to Howard to test, after he sent me an e mail I bought some. Jim Clark bought some for our team along with what I bought. Plus our high school bought some. Our kids think they are one of the best warm up drills you can do. Plus you don't need a net or much room to hit them. They like the instant feedback. Even they can tell if they did not swing correctly.
 
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Howard,

Wouldnt hitting weighted balls be along the same lines as the old hitting basketballs drills we know is outdate and a no-no? Or am i missing something?

Chris
Lemming

There is no bounce back as Dan has stated. Most kids that I know who have done the basketball drills said their shoulder feels like jello afterwards and it hurts.

I had a college coach up from the state of Kentucky and she had used the basketball drill before and said the girls complained a lot about it especially when having their periods. We talked about the laxity issue and carrying angle and she was going to talk to their trainer and get more information and get back with me.

I have checked with a certified trainer and he feels the arm is too far away from the body especially in females and the laxity in the females shoulder may be an issue. This is why I would not use the 20 ounce version of the TCB. The 14.99 seems correct and possibly 12 ounces would even be better. I have not talked withe manufacturer yet.

No one has complained up to this point as to shoulder issues at all. The ones who take their hand off of the bat while at contact do not hit the ball very well as the ball tends to stay on the bat longer and they must drive through the ball using both hands. However the basket balls mass forces the bat rearward as it deflects more in my opinion and that is what was pointed out by the trainer.
 
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I can see its time to head to the little shop of horror with the keg , a few softballs, roofing nails, electrical tape and a scale............
 
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I can see its time to head to the little shop of horror with the keg , a few softballs, roofing nails, electrical tape and a scale............

Remember 72, 1.5 inch finishing nails, 6 layers of duct tape and we are there!

:lmao:
 
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We have kids that do both and are great hitters....I let them evolve to what works for them and after they master keeping both hands on the bat at contact they learn what feels best to them and the results pretty much speak for itself.

We often say just because they have a drivers license does not automatically qualify you to be on the NASCAR circuit either as there are mechanics and style that still needs to be developed. :D
I am with ya HITTER.
I like to see the girls releasing their hand. This will allow for full extension. It is most important to me that their technique is correct!! The release usually comes from repetition and the correct feeling they have when they swing. They will naturally gravitate to one or the other. Point A to point B with proper mechanics.
 
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I am with ya HITTER.
I like to see the girls releasing their hand. This will allow for full extension. It is most important to me that their technique is correct!! The release usually comes from repetition and the correct feeling they have when they swing. They will naturally gravitate to one or the other. Point A to point B with proper mechanics.

I use a 2x4 to demo the leverage and then take it to how they grip the bat FOR leverage and work from there. :D
 

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