Runner on 1st. Batter hits line drive caught by 1st baseman. Batter out. Runner returns to 1st but 1st baseman dives back and tags the base with her throwing hand before runner reaches base. Runner called out. Double play. The key here is...does it matter if it is the 1st baseman's throwing hand (without the ball) or glove hand (with the ball).
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wow
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Yep its a force not a tag... double play!
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A tag of a base can be made with any part of the fielder's body or properly worn uniform/equipment, with the ball securely held in either the hand or glove.
A tag of a runner must be made with the same hand or glove which is securely holding the ball.
A tag of a runner must be made with the same hand or glove which is securely holding the ball.
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Runner left before the ball was caught. Tag of the base was made before runner got back, double play runner out.
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Yes it is a force.. The runner must return to the 1st and may not advance until the tag up.. If she can NOT advance until the tag up please explain how it is not a force.. I understand its not a force out, as in the runner advances due to a hit ball. I did not cite it as a "non-verbal appeal" However the runner is forced back to first for a tag. That was my point.. My bad for not citing the correct nomenclature..
In addition you may leave prior to the fly ball being caught, again the tag is what is important.
Take a look at this scenario. Runner at 3, less then 2 outs, bomb is hit to the outfield, say right field. Girl jumps on the release. Certainly there is enough time, after the catch, to tag up at three and go home. In no way is runner "OUT" because she "left the base before a fly ball was caught".. Again the tag is the key here... After the relase the runner can have cake and krumpets in the base line, as long as she is back to 3 BEFORE the defense throws to 3. That's my point on saying the runner is "forced".. I should have had said the runners forced to tag up...
In addition you may leave prior to the fly ball being caught, again the tag is what is important.
Take a look at this scenario. Runner at 3, less then 2 outs, bomb is hit to the outfield, say right field. Girl jumps on the release. Certainly there is enough time, after the catch, to tag up at three and go home. In no way is runner "OUT" because she "left the base before a fly ball was caught".. Again the tag is the key here... After the relase the runner can have cake and krumpets in the base line, as long as she is back to 3 BEFORE the defense throws to 3. That's my point on saying the runner is "forced".. I should have had said the runners forced to tag up...
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No, it's not a force play, at least not by the definition of force play that appears in the rule book. I guess that in the broadest of layman's terms you could generically say that the runner is "forced" to tag up, but none of the actual rules pertaining to "force plays" will be in effect.
As Comp correctly stated, by rule this is a live ball appeal play.
The issue was the tag of the base with her bare hand. Some people thought the tag of the base had to be with the foot or with the hand with the ball. Thanks for the confirmation/clarification.
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That's was why I stated in my argument the use of "force play" I used the definition of force to relate to the runner being forced back to bag. Again my bad.. But I did learn something..
