When a College coach coaches travel ball

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I don't want to ruff anyone's feathers but I have a question that has been bothering me for a while. I know there are several University/College coaches that teach travel ball- is it a good thing or bad thing. My point is wouldn't the young ladies that they are coaching have more of a chance to play for that University/College coach when they get to that level? Is that fair to the other players? I know a few years back a new team started and lots of girls had visions that they will be able to play on this coaches team in collage. I DO know there is a requirement and guidelines that have to be followed from past experiences. The coaches are very informative and helpful obviously- but again it does not seem fair that "Mary" has been playing ball for "Coach Edwards" for years and she's already planning on playing for this coach. I'm not saying that this player is bad - I would say that she is average and basically play ball anywhere the coach wants her. Again- don't take me wrong- I didn't know if there is an ethic "rule" of some sort.
 
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College coaches can coach girls who live 50 miles or less from their college, with a rare exception in place.

I think it's safe to say most college coaches who do this are more concerned with girls who think they will automatically get to play for that college, rather than being worried about favoring those girls down the road. When it comes to who will get recruited to play for any particular college, fairness really isn't a consideration.

If I am a college coach and I coach a travel team, I'm going to recruit whoever I want to recruit, be they on my travel team or not. I'm not obligated to recruit anyone. If a girl is on my travel team and I decide I want to recruit her based on what I know about her from that team, I'm not sure who that would be unfair toward? Perhaps all the girls who aren't on a travel team coached by a college coach? That might be, but it's a pretty minor thing, as there probably aren't more than 50 college coaches in the country coaching travel ball.

I have been surprised that the NCAA allows its coaches to coach travel ball. With all the restrictions otherwise in place, it just amazes me that this is permitted We're not permitted to talk to girls during tournaments, but we can coach an entire team. That's just odd.
 
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Good topic.

I would think that the coach would make it clear from the get-go that team membership does not equate to playing on his/her college team. A good coach would be telling each team member an honest evaluation for her skill level.

But...if a college coach wants a player, any player on their college team, then he/she has the right to offer any kid, regardless of their skill level, that opportunity.
 
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You aren't even guaranteed a position on the same travel team the next year unless you can improve every year and prove yourself at try-outs. Why would you assume because your coach is a college coach you are going to be offered to play ball at their college? I think it is good they are out there coaching the younger girls and I don't see any problems with it. What is a better way to scout the local talent? As far as having a leg up on the competition because you play on their travel team, I don't agree with that. Assembling a travel team and assembling a college team are 2 different things.
 
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on another note, say said girl has played 2 years for a college coach...u would think she's already doing what it takes to make such a team on her own (hitting coaches/pitching lessons, those kinds of things), so she's probably going to be a good player on a solid team..maybe an 18u team or a well-stacked 16u team. so, even if this girl wants to play elsewhere, having that type of relationship should be good for recruiting, right?
 
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Wouldn't other college coaches wonder why the college coach didn't recruit his/her travel team playerl? Why is she available?
 
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Advantages of being coached by a college coach would be that the coach would be able to help the girls learn the recruiting process and that the coach would have connections in which the coach could recommend players when networking with other college coaches.

A disadvantage could be a player not jelling with the coach or doing something wrong that could make an impression on the coach which could lead to the coach not recommending the player.
 
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When someone in their posts mentions the word ........ fair........ I cant help but wonder about a case of sour grapes. Im impressed when a college coach takes the time from his or her schedule to give back to the softball community, and if your on his or her team and are a player that he feels can compete at the college level he coaches at , and your academics are where they should be, then I can see him picking the kid up. I know I would If the player was a known commodity and I had the inside track on her. Its like anything else in this world, what people call luck is experience and skill, being met with oppertunity............

Tim
 
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must, yeah i could see that, but if i'm going out on a limb, call me on it--arent most college coaches (i'm talking in Ohio, the ones i've seen anyhow) are from smaller schools that sometimes cannot offer as much money as a D1...so if ur a stud player, u may not be going to Slap State because they are only offering 50% (even though it's ur travel team coach) and Drag University is offering full or 75 percent..what then?
 
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Yea, I could see that, if your a stud player it would be easier for the D1 recruiter to see why you didn't go to your coaches Slap State. But if you are not D1 material and your coach didn't recruit you then the Clap U recruiter might wonder why. Of course they would probably call your coach and ask.
 
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thus, having a coach b ur coach would b good, instead of some dad mowing the grass who didnt feel his phone vibrate when the important phone calls some in from recruiters.
 
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This rule was put in place by the NCAA to allow college programs to build interest in the sport in their area. By being good stewards of the game and working with the kids in the area around them. I am sure if you start looking around the country and some of the placements of some universities you would also see that there are probably not a lot of teams and good instructors. This was also brought in to allow them to help with instruction and development of players in the area.

While some schools have begun to abuse this and use if for recruiting tactics (which are ineveitable) that was not the intent. It has even gone so far on these teams that when rival schools come to watch their team, they pull the best players out of the game so they will not get a chance to see them play.

Like good intended rules the NCAA makes, it is and will be abused and then you will see it disappear. Therefore it will hurt those areas where college coaches are using it for good intention.

Ty
 
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Here is some info that was passed on to me by a friend , and she asked me to pass it on to all of you.

Kind of lengthy but very cool to see this subject through the eyes of someone who has done it.

I coached for the Miami Valley XPress while was coaching at the University of Dayton. I started coaching in 1998 for a 11u team. 9 of those kids were with us from start to finish. Out of the 12 kids that were still playing for me when they graduated, 3 went to the University of Dayton (Div I), 1 to University of Maryland-Baltimore county (Div I), 2 to Wright State (Div I) (1 decided not to play), 1 to Ohio State (Div I), 1 to Mount Union College (Div 3), 1 to Notre Dame College (NAIA), 1 to Ohio University (Div 1), 1 Miami Univer- Middletown (NJCAA), 1 University of Cincinnati (did not play). All but 2 have graduated from college (1 is still in progress) and all but 3 that played in college competed all 4 years.

Here are the reasons I coached in the summer....
1. I wanted to help raise the level of softball in the Miami Valley. When I first started coaching at UD there were only 3 travel teams in the Miami Valley. 2 are no longer in existence. The areas of strong recruitment for Ohio went North-Arkon/ Canton area , Central -Columbus, North-Toledo area, South-Cincinnati, then Southwest-Dayton. It was hard to even recruit kids in my own backyard. As a college coach, I had to help my own area grow in softball. Now remember this was back from 1996-2000.

2. At UD, my recruiting budget and my salary were laughable. In 1995-1996 my salary was $14,700 for 10 months (I did not get paid for the summer and was expected to recruit the summer). Yes, that is true. I was the head softball coach at a Div I program, and I was also the assistant strength and conditioning coach. My recruiting budget was $1,500. Compare that to $4,000-7,000 that other schools get for recruiting. I was asked to coach an Xpress team, they would pay for me to travel with the team (gas and hotels)...this would help me to get out to recruit. When my team played in tournaments, we would play our game and while everyone else went back to the hotels or wherever, I stayed at the fields from 7 or 8am till the last game was played. I took full advantage of being able to recruit at these tournaments. Sometimes I would be at the fields 12-14 hours a day.

3. As my players got older, we had to put some rules in place so I would not break any NCAA rules. I knew that I was the only Div I coach that was coaching a summer team, and I knew that I would be under a microscope by the other coaches. They would look to see if I was breaking any rules. Anyone who knows me personally, knows that I do not knowingly break rules. Sure I had some NCAA infractions during the years, it is impossible not to. But I did not break 1 recruiting rule that had to deal with my summer team. Ask any coach in the state and they will tell you that I ran a clean program both summer and college. I lost a player when the NCAA implemented the 50 mile radius rule. She was 2 miles outside of the radius and had played on my team since whe was 11. There was nothing we could do about it.

4. I made it clear to them that not all of them could play for me at UD. They knew that. There were even a couple that said that there would be no way in H*ll they would play for me in college.......we ran to much in summer ball they couldnt imagine how much they would run for me at UD. I also told them that I would help them every step of the way NO MATTER where they wanted to go to school. It was about them. Not my job at UD. It was always about them getting the opportunites to play college ball. I NEVER took a kid out of a game because one of my competitors was there watching/ recruiting. Did I want to?? Sure. I would be a liar if I told you I didnt want to. It is very hard to watch another coach talk to a kid that you REALLY want to play for you. But I did it because it was about them, NOT ME. Colllege coaches coach summer ball to help athletes get to the next level. It is not about them and their school, it is about helping the kids get to the next level. I told them up front that I was going to coach my summer team, like my college team. I did not talk to parents about playing time ever. And if a parent was "coaching" their daughter during the game, then the player would be removed from the game if I saw it.

5. Sure it is an advantage for a kid to play for a college coach. There is no way around that. But it is a double edge sword. I also saw things that made me not want to recruit a kids. They also saw things out of me that made them not want to play college ball for me. It is also an advantage for opposing team players who could not come to a UD game to see how I coach and interact with the players and umpires. We were at a touranment in Toledo at 14u where there was a pitcher crow hopping really bad, I was so mad at the umpire because he would not call it. Now, my team was winning and it wasnt like she was striking us out or that it was giving her an advantage. I was mad at what it was teaching her. The ump kept telling me that he could see it, but wasnt going to call it because we were winning and he didnt want to upset anyone. The parents for the other team were absolutley brutal towards me for 7 innings. The kept saying "who the H*LL did I think I was?' and much worse. I talked to their coach after the game and told him who I was, he said that the pitchers dad will not let them say anythng to her about the illegal pitch. One year later, we saw them again and the pitcher in question was not playing. The coach told me that she was called for 17 illegal pitches in her first freshman game and walked off the field in tears NEVER to play again. But the parents and players on that team still hated me....I went to recuit one of he girls a few years later, and they respectfully declined. I really did nothing out of the ordinary that day, but it sure did make some people mad.........so coaching summer ball works against you also.

6. Just beacuse someone is a "college" coach doesn't mean that the kids are getting the best instruction. I have come across SEVERAL summer team coaches and organizations and I wonder why some of them are not coaching college ball. There are some really good summer coaches out there. I have learned a lot over the years watching summer and high school coaches as well as my collegiate friends. I have also learned a lot watching coaches coach from other sports. No one is ever going to agree with a coach 100%. Some players can play for you, and others can't. Some parents can deal with you, and some can't.

7. The other coaches think we are crazy!!!! I cant tell you how many times my coaching friends would tell me I was crazy for coaching summer ball. It was something that they teased me about all of the time. But they all understood why. They knew I was doing it for the kids. They would respect my opinion and still call me about my kids and other kids. I saw a kid at a summer tournament (14U) and knew that this kid would be way out of my reach, in other words, I knew she would get fullride offers and i couldn t do that. I called 3 coaches about her to tell them. SHe is now playing for one of them as a sophomore (fullride).

We just finished our second round of caoching summer ball. Took a team from 14u to 18u. Now this team changed a lot thru the first 2 years. We played 1 year at 14u, 1 year at 16u, then 2 years at 18u. The last 2 years we had 10 players return, and we carried a roster of 13. Here is the breakdown of this team, 1 at University of Dayton (Div 1), 1 at College of the Cumberlands (NAIA), 2 at Morehead state (Div I), 2 at Wittenberg University (Div III), 1 at Heidleberg (Div III), 2 at Wright state (not playing), We have 4 that are in their senior year of high school (1 committed to Trine University).

So this year we are back at 10u. Talk about different. WOW. So different going from 18u to 10u. And this time I am coaching my neice which is why I am doing it. I just hope my brother is still talking to me at the end of the summer!! LOL

I just wanted to give you the side of the college coach. I am no longer the UD coach but I volunteer at Wittenberg University. I am currently fostering and hope to adopt in the spring (5 year old...looks like she is going ot be a Sokker player...UHG!!!!) Bottom line.......... College coaches who spend their summer coaching summer ball are doing it for the kids. They are using their knowledge and experience to help kids get to the next level. Sure their are a few other factors.......but that is the bottom line. Why else would they really do it??

If you would like to email me to talk more about this.....please feel free to do so...... jeickemeyer@woh.rr.com I will not respond to this post, as I have a friend of mine posting it for me.

Thanks for reading my story.
Jodi Eickemeyer
 
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I know coach B was involved in travel ball in the Dayton area when he was a Wright State and they had some very good travel teams.
 
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Well said Jodi! We do it for the kids. We are not just coaches, we are mentors and teachers. You can learn more about yourself between those lines in one weekend than you sometimes can in 2-3years. I tell everyone that my best memories were when I strapped my baseball glove on my bicycle handles and rode down the train tracks to the little league fields for my game. I am now coaching a set team this summer but you will hear something that surprises even my own team. I'll help anyone who asks! As Jodi said, we want to help our area improve. We are not after the fame or fortune! ;) The softball field is really a training area for life! How do you overcome failure, fear, pressure? How do you handle success, pressure from parents, etc. The real highs of the game aren't the 3-2 comeback wins you had on Sunday but rather the invites to your players weddings, graduations, baby showers, etc. Often the girl on your team that can't get a sac bunt down, has a much bigger problem at home such as abuse, drugs, failing school....we are there simply there for love of the game.
Coach Brett
Assist. Witt Softball
16U Cyclones
 
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Those are good stories. I didn't know the NCAA's reasoning that Ty pointed out. It seems to me that we're beyond that in almost all areas now. And Jodi's story is interesting and thorough. My reason for coaching a team out here in Washington this summer were less noble. I simply couldn't deal with the thought of coaching only 40 games a year at my Div. III school after many years of coaching 30 or more in high school and another 100 or so in travel ball. While I enjoyed coaching the team, I decided not to do it next summer because it just takes away too much time from watching girls play and I try to watch a lot of girls play.

I told my players the same things Jodi mentioned and since it was an 18-U team, I felt really good about helping one of the players get a roster spot at her dream school. This was a girl I was recruiting, but she and her parents had made it pretty clear they couldn't afford my school. Also, she was from a small town and wanted to go to a big school. She had her heart set on Oregon State and had e-mailed the coaches there, but they knew little about her since she didn't even have a skills video. We were playing a Stingrays-type of tournament in Portland in June and I e-mailed Kirk Walker about her and told him that at minimum, she would be an excellent pinch-runner. One of his assistants came out to watch us, liked what she saw, and the girl was given a guaranteed walk-on spot. I was told by her parents a couple months ago that it appears she is now the starting left fielder!

One other note, I definitely got the scrutiny from the coaches in my league. When two of them first saw me in the third-base coaches box, they were in shock. It was pretty funny. At our fall league coaches meeting, the agenda included a discussion of NCAA rules for coaching travel teams. I didn't say a word, as I figured I wouldn't indulge them. Then I learned that an assistant for another school in the league had apparently been coaching a travel team for some time and possibly breaking rules, so I was glad I never complained about what first appeared to be targeted entirely toward me.
 

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