Scorekeeping question???????????

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I need some advice from the veteran score book keepers.

Situation....Batter bunts catcher picks up the bunt and over throws first base. I score it as a E2. Other score keeper said that it is a hit since the runner beat out the throw. (which she did not reach first base yet)

other situation........Batter gets a hit to rf but misses 1st base and is called out. Is this scored as a hit? I have heard that in MLB it is not a hit because of the out at first. Just want to keep a honest book. Alot of people don't. I want to be fair to both teams. Thanks M.

 

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First situation, E2 that is a throwing error.
Second situation is not a hit. You must be safe at the base for it to even be considered a hit.

 

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Question #1 The answer lies in what really happened, if the throw beat the runner to the bag, error. If the runner beat the throw and the runner did not advance to second base, base hit. If the runner beat the throw and then advanced to second base, E2 then the batter is awarded a single .

Question #2 The runner does not get awarded with a hit, the out was a force play at first base because she never touched the bag she is out. If she would have hit the bag then rounded and got thrown out going back to first, base hit.

 

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Unless its a high school then you are correct in giving hits in both situations;&

 

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Question #1 The answer lies in what really happened, if the throw beat the runner to the bag, error. If the runner beat the throw and the runner did not advance to second base, base hit. If the runner beat the throw and then advanced to second base, E2 then the batter is awarded a single .

Question #2 The runner does not get awarded with a hit, the out was a force play at first base because she never touched the bag she is out. If she would have hit the bag then rounded and got thrown out going back to first, base hit.

Agree, Just an add on to #2 out is recorded to the nearest defender so it would be scored Put out 3

 

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#1 - Error on Catcher.. if the girl went to second after wild throw... it is a two-base error

#2 UA-3 which is UnAssisted by First Baseman

 

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Unless its a high school then you are correct in giving hits in both situations;&

This is so funny, because I score for our high school and yesterday one of our girls hit hard down the 3rd base line. Their 3rd baseman missed it, even though it was inches from her. I scored it an error. The coach told me that was a hit, because even if she would have fielded it cleanly she would not have got the out at first! ;&

So your statement may be more true than I would like! LOL :yahoo:

 

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If the ball is NOT touched... it is a hit. No matter if it is inches from her.

 

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In situation number 1, was this a sacrifice situation? If so, then I believe you score it as a SAC and an E2. (Just as you would have scored it a hit if the runner would have been safe anyway, you don't penalize the sacfice because the defense makes an error).

 

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sad627 and sempefi1977. I agree. High school is such a joke when it comes to the books. Last night the girl on second base, had one bounce off her glove. No error. She tried to think about throwing before she caught the ball and it would have been an easy out for those that want to question the play.Night before the ball hit off the outfielder glove , should have been an easy catch and the kid still got a double. Then I found out that they are counting SAC as an AB. So every time the kid bunts to move runners her BA drops. Plus they have no idea what OB% means. I asked a coach why a kid was batting 9'th. Answer was her BA. I stated isn't her OB % over 400? Got a blank stare back. I guess after all these years of keeping books in travel ball, I now understand why the high school stats are so inflated. Today BA 750 gets you #1 spot. How many kids after 12 games are really batting 750?

 

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The same situation holds true if the fielder goes to her left or right and sticks out a glove on the ball ( one of those stretched out stabs)... even though the ball hit her glove... the scoring is a base hit because even if she could make a fantastic play... odds are the runner would have never been thrown out.

It's some judgement and some scorekeeping unwritten rules...LOL

 

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The same situation holds true if the fielder goes to her left or right and sticks out a glove on the ball ( one of those stretched out stabs)... even though the ball hit her glove... the scoring is a base hit because even if she could make a fantastic play... odds are the runner would have never been thrown out.

It's some judgement and some scorekeeping unwritten rules...LOL

You are forgetting the fact that it was a poorly thrown ball, so it would be an error. A thrown ball does not have to be touched by the person it is being thrown to, to be called an error. If that is the case everytime the SS throws the ball 20 feet over my 1B head it would be considered a hit?? Don't think so.

 

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If the ball is NOT touched... it is a hit. No matter if it is inches from her.

I would agree short of the ball going between her feet under her glove untouched, it's not an error to not be Derek Jeter. You will get more hits against slow infielders, but they are hits, not errors due to lack of speed or lack of athleticism. A tall F4 will rob you of some line drives to RF, but that doesn't make those same hits errors when a shorter F4 can't reach them.

 

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If a ss goes into the hole and just barely gets a glove on the ball and it rolls away from her.... it is a base hit. Reason is.. even if she comes up with it...odds are she is not going to throw her out being stretched out and off balance. ( In other words, she made a great play JUST getting a glove on it.)

If the ss snags a ball deep in the hole and comes up with it and the ball is over thrown at first... it is the judgement of the scorekeeper IF the runner beat the ball.

IF the runner beat the ball.. it's a hit because even a good throw would have never gotten the runner.

 

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I was too late to say you were referring to the infielder getting a glove on the ball and it being a hit. We had a ground ball deflected by the 3rd baseman to the SS who never had a chance to throw the runner out so it was a hit. Of course, SS still threw late to 1st and it was wild so the runner advanced to 2nd on that error... gotta love high school ball.

 

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Stick to the question asked, and quit talking about SS and other fielding situations.

Catcher overthrows 1B: E2

 

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Same is true for an outfielder that has ran deep into the gap and stretches out her glove and the ball hits her glove and bounces out. It's a hit.

Normal plays for a fielder that are dropped are errors... fantastic plays that if the player could have came up with would have been an out ( like running full speed after a fly ball in the gap) and was dropped... is a hit. If the runner goes to second it is a double and not a single and an error.

 

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#1 - Error on Catcher.. if the girl went to second after wild throw... it is a two-base error

#2 UA-3 which is UnAssisted by First Baseman

I already said that earlier Lady Knights.... on page 1.

 

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H.S definition of a hit: If she reaches base safley no matter how!!!!!

 

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Sit 1--E2 (unless you're the catcher's parents)

Sit 2--no hit