Catching and Catchers discussion Don't Ever Teach Your Catchers to Frame a Pitch!

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People are surprised to see an article written by a catching coach with this title. I am actually not opposed to framing when done correctly. I avoid using the term when instructing my students due to the misinformation out there about what it actually is.

I advocate using techniques that keep strikes looking like strikes. I see so many students come for instruction with the idea that ?Framing? is a technique that will fool an umpire into thinking a pitch that is a ball is really a strike. ?
This technique is widely used and I believe actually contribute to close strikes being called as balls.

I will explain my position on ?Framing? by explaining the 4 Laws of Good Receiving that I teach all my students.

I explain to my students that they need to go behind the plate with these 4 laws firmly imbedded in their technique to be the best receivers they can be.



Law #1 ?The Catcher Must View Each Pitch Through the Umpire?s Eyes?

For a catcher to excel behind the plate he must view each pitch as the umpire sees it. I teach my students to have a 2nd view on the game in their minds eye. The first is of course the view of the whole field. The 2nd is the view that the umpire sees when he looks down toward home plate to make the call. He sees the back of the catcher as well as the ball, plate, and batter.

When a catcher develops this view of the game, he will realize how much he can affect the ?look? the umpire gets at the pitch as it crosses the plate. He will understand how he can make a tight, good strike look like a pitch that is off the plate and not worthy of being called a strike.

A catcher needs to learn that there is a short period of time that while the umpire is tracking the ball with his eyes that the catcher is out of his direct line of sight. This occurs when the umpires has his eyes focused on the ball leaving the pitchers hands and continues tracking it until just in front of the plate. For that brief moment the catcher is below the umpire?s direct line of sight. It is during this short time that the catcher needs to get properly positioned to receive the pitch.




Law #2 ? It?s a Catcher?s Job to Keep Strikes Looking like Strikes?


This is where my teaching tends to go against the flow a little. I do not want to see my catchers catching a pitch that clearly is a ball and pulling, pushing, or somehow moving the glove to try and reposition the pitch at a spot they feel will get them a strike call. I don?t want them trying to ?Make a ball look like a strike?. The best way to keep a strike looking like a strike is to never do anything that would make it look like a ball. The next 2 Laws discuss ways to accomplish that.




Law# 3 ?Beat the Ball to The Spot?

My goal for my catchers is that their movements behind the plate when they receive are smooth, ?quiet?, quick but not hurried.
They set the target with their glove in the middle of their body. The goal is to have adjusted their position so that their glove is in position to catch the ball before the ball gets there. They want their glove to ?Beat the Ball to the Spot.?
This is accomplished as follows.

? Their feet are turned up the lines.
? Their heels are in contact with the ground as well as the balls of their feet.

This makes it easy for them to receive any pitch that catches even the edge of the plate by shifting their weight that direction. They still keep the glove in the middle of their body. They can avoid ?reaching? for pitches using this technique. When shifting their weight toward the ball they are able to keep their shoulders level at all times. The look they present to the umpire is one of control, and one that says that this pitch is being caught on the catcher?s midline, it must be a strike.

Often times a catcher doesn?t shift his weight and reaches for the ball on the outside of the plate, even though it may be a close strike, by reaching at the last minute the message sent is that this pitch is not where the catcher wanted it and you may lose the strike call. Have the catcher get the glove to the contact point ahead of the ball. If a catchers glove shoots out and meets a fastball while both objects are moving the ball will usually win the battle and pull the glove off the plate.

This technique is done in addition to proper handling of the glove to assure that all parts of the glove are in the strike zone when the ball is caught.
Imagine a catcher catches a ball on the inside edge to a right-hander, and has his thumb in the 6-o'clock position when the ball hits it. To make that catch he will have to allow his left elbow to go to the left to get the glove in position. His elbow will now be nearly a foot left of the edge of the strike zone. Also, over half of the glove will be to the left of the strike zone. So even if the ball is cleanly a strike, all kinds of signals are being sent that this pitch is too far inside.

If the catcher makes a few subtle changes he will ensure that he isn?t doing anything to make this strike look like a ball.

First he sets up with his thumb set at 3-o'clock. This positions his elbow to bend down, not out to the left. He shifts his weight to the left, and positions his glove to catch the left half of the ball. His hand rotates slightly so his thumb is between 12 and 1 o'clock. The ball flies past the front edge of the glove and is caught in the back half of the pocket. The back edge of the glove is vertical, so no part of the glove is out of the strike zone. Since the elbow bent down, no part of the left arm is out of the strike zone. We have caught a close strike and did nothing to make it look like a ball.



Law#4 ?The Glove Never Moves After the Ball Hits It?

One of the main techniques that many players think is part of good receiving is moving the glove after the ball hits it to a spot that will more likely get them the strike call. I have always felt that most of the technique is insulting to the umpire. He can hear the ball hit the glove, so what?s the point to drag or pull the ball somewhere it wasn?t. I teach that if the technique I have described above is employed then you will maximize your strike calls and build a better relationship with the umpire by not trying to move a pitch after it hits the glove.


In Conclusion: I don?t teach framing. I teach good sound receiving. Just keep strikes looking like strikes and you will succeed
 
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As an umpire myself for 26 years, this gentleman is giving great advice to catchers. Being a pitcher/catcher in my high school years, never try to make the umpire look bad. Even if he is....lol
 
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ohioquakerman said:
As an umpire myself for 26 years, this gentleman is giving great advice to catchers. ?Being a pitcher/catcher in my high school ?years, never try to make the umpire look bad. ?Even if he is....lol

ohioquakerman,

Thanks for the viewpoint from behind the plate. One of the big goals of our program is to get catchers to realize that umpires need to be respected. Catchers need to be taught they will lose far more then the will ever gain by constantly trying to make balls look like strikes.
 
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If you want to see "centerline catching" at it's best, watch a major league baseball game on TV. You get lots of views looking straight at the catcher from the pitcher's perspective. Notice their subtle moves as the pitcher is in his wind-up and the catcher is about to receive the ball. Notice, too, how they wait as long as they can before shifting slightly. They even glance at the batter and make sure he doesn't see them shift - otherwise the location of the pitch may be disclosed. A MLB catcher will almost always catch, or block, a pitch with it centered in his body.

GREAT post with excellent teaching information, catchingcoach.
 
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The original post is written from a male perspective - "he" rather than "her."

So, is catching in softball different than catching in baseball?

My opinion is that hitting definitely is, and pitching obviously is, so why not catching?
 
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I know my dd catching coach talks about being a quiet catcher, not in voice but in movements.
It has really improved her game.
 
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My opinion is that you need to be able to frame a pitch without the umpire knowing you did. Just a little turn of the wrist (instead of jerking your arm) is usually all you need. I'm talking about balls that are just bordrline or a few inches off the plate. Don't waste your time on pitches that are a foot outside.
 
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ohioquakerman said:
As an umpire myself for 26 years, this gentleman is giving great advice to catchers. ?Being a pitcher/catcher in my high school ?years, never try to make the umpire look bad. ?Even if he is....lol

Come on. Do umpires really take it personally when a catcher frames a pitch? I'm not an ump but if you are that sensitive and self absorbed that you would think a catcher is framing a pitch to make you look bad then you shouldn't be umping. It wouldn't bother me if I was behind the plate and a catcher was framing pitches. What difference does it make? Just call the pitch not glove position. Maybe I'm missing something.

BTW: The original post was very good.
 
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didn't bretman say if you frame a pitch, leave a 20 dollar bill taped to the back of your helmet?..works better than framing, positioning or complaining.... :p ;) ;)
 
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Ringer you bring up a good point about calling the pitch not the ball in the glove. If the ball is a drop ball, curve ball, curve drop ball, etc, it matters where it crosses the batter for the height and the plate's width right? If that is the case it is a good drop ball it could end up at the catcher's feet or so when it is caught. But at the batter it was just above the knees and over the outside corner it is a strike. So framing shouldn't have anything to do with it unless it is a fastball. Even then those pitchers with a lot of snap and movement could also have the ball drop to a lower level when it gets to the catcher. I may be missing something too. :eek: :-? :eek:
 
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I think you guys are missing the point. It isn't about making a ball look like a strike, it is about keeping a strike looking like a strike. The catcher's mechanics are a big part of this equation.

Umpires are human and will make mistakes and sometimes the pitch will be so close and come in so fast that you look at how the catcher received the ball to help make that determination. When you're framing a pitch it is a borderline strike, when you frame a pitch by pulling your mitt into the strike zone you aren't fooling the ump in any way, shape, or form. The ump knows this, and by human nature will be less likely to give you the next borderline pitch. The fans will think it was a strike and start getting on the ump. The coaches will start in with the "Come on, blue" comments. The pitcher may start rolling her eyes, thinking she got robbed. All this is just leading to making the ump get defensive.

If you get around the ball by wrapping the glove around the part of the ball that is the furthest away from the middle of the plate then you'll make that strike look more like a strike because the biggest part of the glove will be inside the strike zone.
 
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cshilt said:
.... When you're framing a pitch it is a borderline strike, when you frame a pitch by pulling your mitt into the strike zone you aren't fooling the ump in any way, shape, or form. The ump knows this, and by human nature will be less likely to give you the next borderline pitch.....

Why would the ump do this? Is he mad? Is he making the game about him? I'm not advocating framing pitches or de-advocating (Bushism) framing pitches. I would just like to know why umpires would take this personally to where they tighten the zone artificially because of the catcher's glove movement. Seems petty to me. Can we get an umps perspective as to why this is such a problem for them?
 
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statman best $20 you will spend all weekend. ;) ;)
 
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stp12 i totally agree, with your post...its a great tool if it works...its sort of an artform to be able to frame
 
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stp12 said:
My opinion is that you need to be able to frame a pitch without the umpire knowing you did. ?Just a little turn of the wrist (instead of jerking your arm) is usually all you need. ?I'm talking about balls that are just bordrline or a few inches off the plate. ?Don't waste your time on pitches that are a foot outside.


Stp12,

"Framing a pitch without the umpire knowing it for pitches that are a few inches off the plate"

If I understand that statement the turn of the wrist you describe would move the ball/glove closer to the plate.

If that is what you mean, (I know that is what others have meant that have indicated they like this technique) then here is why I would teach not to do this.

The umpire is following the balls flight in the air. As it approaches the plate area his eyes drop so he now sees the plate, the batter, and the catchers glove, and maybe the catcher too. He sees the ball hit the glove, he hears the ball hit the glove, and then he sees the glove move in towards the plate.

No matter how smooth, subtle, or slick the catcher is, the bottom line is that the umpire will see the glove moved towards the plate after he both sees and hears the ball hit the glove.

This can only send one message to the umpire. This catcher thought this pitch needed help.
 
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sideliner said:
The original post is written from a male perspective - "he" rather than "her."

So, is catching in softball different than catching in baseball?

My opinion is that hitting definitely is, and pitching obviously is, so why not catching?

Sideliner,

Great catch, I have a softball version of this post with the female pronouns.

However, as far as the issues related to this post, there is no difference betwen baseball and softball catching.

Again I state, as far as the issues related to this post.
 
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PBSfan said:
Ringer you bring up a good point about calling the pitch not the ball in the glove. ?If the ball is a drop ball, curve ball, curve drop ball, etc, it matters where it crosses the batter for the height and the plate's width right? ?If that is the case it is a good drop ball it could end up at the catcher's feet or so when it is caught. ?But at the batter it was just above the knees and over the outside corner it is a strike. ?So framing shouldn't have anything to do with it unless it is a fastball. ?Even then those pitchers with a lot of snap and movement could also have the ball drop to a lower level when it gets to the catcher. ?I may be missing something too. ? :eek: :-? :eek:

PBSfan,

Actualy receiving fastballs are and keeping them looking like strikes is actually the easier task. It is far more important that a catcher needs to learn how to receive off-speed well or run the risk of carrying perfectly good strikes right off the plate.

I have a 2nd part of this post that discusses why it is even more important to have a skilled receiver when you have a good off-speed pitcher. I will post that 2nd part in a day or so after everyone has had a chance to digest the 1st part.
 
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As an Umpire.....

i do not like it when the pitch is draged into the zone. As someone has stated..the (good) umpires are not fooled. To me it makes it hard to call and if in doudt I call it a ball. Now there are times where I see it before it is pulled into the zone and it is a strike on the corner. There are many times catchers pull corner strikes into the middle of the plate. I think it is to distracting to the umpire. You are more than likely loosing some strikes on the corner, because in my mind if your pulling the ball into the zone you must have know it was a ball so I will think the same thing.
 
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As a pitcher and catcher most of my life in baseball and now umpiring for the past 26 years, I know I love corners and curve balls. What upsets me is when a pitcher makes a perfect corner curve and the catcher snatches the ball and tries to "frame" it when she didn't have to in the first place as it was a strike. Well, when she in the above situation frames it, and I call it for the strike it was, then what do you hear from the crowd behind? Like she got the strike because she framed it...which is wrong. The strike was called because it was a strike. But, after a catcher does that to me as an umpire and even though the catcher thought she was doing the right thing in framing it as her coach had taught her to do.... I usually have a talk with the catcher about doing it and explain to her the above.... but if she continues...... well you make the call.....
 
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That, ohioquakerman, is the best explanation of how a catcher's good intentions can backfire. Great post. Well coached catchers WILL NOT move the mitt. The whole process of interaction between Umpire, pitcher, and catcher is often misunderstood. A good pitcher/catcher should NEVER forget the fact that the umpire WILL be very fair if treated with respect. Eye rolling, slumping shoulders, grumbling over close calls, etc. should NEVER be part of a batteries game plan. If you want those close pitches to eventually go YOUR way, give the ump some credit for knowing the difference between a ball and a strike - WITHOUT using techniques that tend to insult an umps intelligence. Learn proper technique, and the umpire will thank you for helping him out.
 

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